Calling all statistical geeks.......

[GoToHellOleMiss.sixpack]

Has anyone seen a breakdown of total penalties called against UF and Bama and their opponents?

I realize this won't take into account crucial game situations....but it would still be very interesting.

And yes.....I'm too lazy to do it myself.

 

[615dawg]

Florida
55 penalties for 413 yards
Florida opponents
59 penalties for 489 yards
Florida 11 first downs via penalty
Florida opponents 8 first downs via penalty

Alabama
51 penalties for 443 yards
Alabama opponents
60 penalties for 489 yards
Alabama 12 first downs via pnalty
Alabama opponents 10 first downs via penalty

Not much there

 

[GoToHellOleMiss.sixpack]

So....as far as number of penalties goes......the conspiracy theorists don't seem to have a leg to stand on.

That leaves situational calls and no calls for them to hang their hat on........much harder to quantify.

I'm leaning towards incompetence rather than conspiracy. Whenever you're the underdog and whenever you lose it's always easy to blame the refs.....and in the SEC the refs make plenty of mistakes and deserve criticism.

 

[lariverdog]

Its the "no calls". I too wondered if it was planned or just a poor job. Looking back, its the no calls against FL and AL that seem to me to be making the difference.

 

[Bdog9090]

are not just the penalties. It's the turnovers and non-calls.

 

[coursesuper]

as an offical we would "keep our flag in our pocket during a blowout". There is a way to selectively officate a game and I saw it in our game against Fla.. That game was pretty well done until we went for it on the fake punt and Fla. scored to up by 9. After that it changed.

 

[jcdawgman18]

1) As already mentioned, that doesn't show no-calls.
2) The bigger issue with Alabama is stuff like marking off almost 6 yards on a 5 yard penalty, not overturning a play that replay clearly (I don't care what they say, that interception is clear as day), getting better spots, etc.

The other thing you have to look at is if teams have more penalties when they play Alabama than when they play anyone else. I've seen someone do that before, and teams averaged like 2 more penalties against Bama than their average. </p>

 

[MedDawg]

<table style="TEXT-ALIGN: right; FONT-FAMILY: verdana; BACKGROUND: white; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: xx-small"> <tbody> <tr style="BACKGROUND: #00008b; COLOR: white; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"> <th style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" colspan="2">PENALTIES</th> <th>G</th> <th>No.</th> <th>Yards</th> <th>Avg/G</th> </tr> <tr> <td>1.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Tennessee</td> <td>9</td> <td>46</td> <td>349</td> <td>38.8</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Ole Miss</td> <td>9</td> <td>44</td> <td>362</td> <td>40.2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>3.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Kentucky</td> <td>9</td> <td>42</td> <td>373</td> <td>41.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>4.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">LSU</td> <td>9</td> <td>53</td> <td>394</td> <td>43.8</td> </tr> <tr> <td>5.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Florida</td> <td>9</td> <td>55</td> <td>413</td> <td>45.9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>6.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Alabama</td> <td>9</td> <td>51</td> <td>443</td> <td>49.2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>7.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Vanderbilt</td> <td>10</td> <td>66</td> <td>515</td> <td>51.5</td> </tr> <tr> <td>8.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Miss. State</td> <td>9</td> <td>56</td> <td>496</td> <td>55.1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>9.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Auburn</td> <td>10</td> <td>68</td> <td>579</td> <td>57.9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>10.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">South Carolina</td> <td>10</td> <td>67</td> <td>590</td> <td>59.0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>11.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Arkansas</td> <td>9</td> <td>66</td> <td>537</td> <td>59.7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>12.</td> <td style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Georgia</td> <td>9</td> <td>85</td> <td>696</td> <td>77.3</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

 

[GoToHellOleMiss.sixpack]

as an offical we would "keep our flag in our pocket during a blowout". There is a way to selectively officate a game and I saw it in our game against Fla.. That game was pretty well done until we went for it on the fake punt and Fla. scored to up by 9. After that it changed.

So...conspiracy to get Bama and UF to the championship game undefeated? Or not?

Conspiracy means the higher-ups directing the refs to nudge the game to the desired outcome...I just don't buy it.

Now...I do believe that Bama and UF get calls and no calls because they are Bama and UF....but I believe it's based on the individual refs and their perception of who the better team is.

 

[jcdawgman18]

As far as penalties go, it seems to at least say Alabama isn't getting favored quite as much this year. Though in their toughest game to date (UT), the refs did seem to step their game up so to speak.

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BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"><font face="Arial" size="2">Tennessee</font></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right"> <font face="Arial" size="2">8</font></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right"> <font face="Arial" size="2">68</font></td> <td class="xl22" style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right"><font face="Arial" size="2">5.1</font></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right"> <font face="Arial" size="2">38.8</font></td> </tr> <tr style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt"> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height="17"><font face="Arial" size="2">LSU</font></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right"> <font face="Arial" size="2">8</font></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right"> <font face="Arial" size="2">43</font></td> <td class="xl22" style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right"><font face="Arial" size="2">5.9</font></td> <td style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align="right"> <font face="Arial" size="2">43.8</font></td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

 

[coursesuper]

Call benifit of doubt or what you want but that is the way it is in this conference.