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Cat:

In one of our last exchanges, the two of us briefly discussed a television show, Family Guy, of which you appeared to have some affection. I don't recall my exact words, but I did tell you I would respond in the near future with some observations of the show and a few others I randomly selected to critique.

I spent several weeks choosing television shows helter-skelter and I have to say I was utterly appalled at what some Americans watch. I will specify up front I rarely watch commercial television; I do not have an addiction to any NetFlix series or reality shows; and I refuse to watch 95 percent of American news programming. Full disclosure: I do not count the endless hours of college football I consume as low-quality television.

I'd like to begin with Family Guy, Seinfeld, and Friends. Painful to watch, all three featured mediocre actors, most of whom were in the early stages of their careers. Filled with idiotic stars, weak scripts, and utterly implausible plots, I actually felt dumber after turning the television off. Particular to Seinfeld, I watched several episodes years ago and am pleased to admit I am glad I never developed an affection for the show because after tuning in for a few segments, I found the over-reliance on Kramer's slapstick and plots consistently revolving around irony to become swiftly tiresome. All three shows were inauthentic, imbued with over-explanations, deeply unprovocative, unenlightening, depended too heavily on fecal matter for humor or strong sexual themes, and, in my humble opinion, never created a conversation starter in any area of my life with anyone.

I later lowered myself to watch about twenty minutes of the Academy Awards (Good God, what a sorry cabal of nitwits), and I will sum up this gushing love fest in brief: It's Left-wing comedians masquerading as Left-wing political analysts preaching Left-wing propaganda to a miserable Left-wing audience. Every award show today doubles as pep rallies for uneducated Leftist film stars to bellow Left-wing groupthink or orate their Left-wing political "genius." What crap!

Over the past two weeks alone, I caught re-runs of Jerry Springer and Sally Jessy Raphael, both of whom either executed clumsy ambushes of estranged lovers or exploited freaks on their show. This is about all I have to say about both.

I could go on, but I don't care to vomit in my mouth. What I discovered is American is clearly addicted to trash; I am proud I watch perhaps five shows on television or cable networks.

If I do find myself situated in front of the television, it is to watch Portlandia, or a decent art film on IFC. Although the quality among the few shows I do watch today is lower than I would prefer, I can sustain a small amount of silliness unlike what I experienced when I willingly exposed myself to what television executives and writers offer elsewhere.

Perhaps my life belongs in a time which gave viewers quality films and television shows with credible plots and above-average actors and actresses. I'd prefer television comedy such as The Andy Griffith Show, The Honeymooners, or Ernie Kovacs, to How I met Your Mother or Two and a Half Men. I'd also prefer riveting films such as The Spy Who Came in From the Cold, or films with happy endings such as It's a Wonderful Life, The Deer Hunter, or High Noon to any Adam Sandler film. Adam Sandler is living proof one is always one dumb idea from becoming a millionaire.

Although you never challenged me to spend even a second of my precious time watching the above shows, I did as much as a consequence of our exchange in the now-notorious "Dumpster Fire" thread, of which I have fond memories. I deeply regret wasting my time.

Too late: I just vomited.
 

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Cat:

In one of our last exchanges, the two of us briefly discussed a television show, Family Guy, of which you appeared to have some affection. I don't recall my exact words, but I did tell you I would respond in the near future with some observations of the show and a few others I randomly selected to critique.

I spent several weeks choosing television shows helter-skelter and I have to say I was utterly appalled at what some Americans watch. I will specify up front I rarely watch commercial television; I do not have an addiction to any NetFlix series or reality shows; and I refuse to watch 95 percent of American news programming. Full disclosure: I do not count the endless hours of college football I consume as low-quality television.

I'd like to begin with Family Guy, Seinfeld, and Friends. Painful to watch, all three featured mediocre actors, most of whom were in the early stages of their careers. Filled with idiotic stars, weak scripts, and utterly implausible plots, I actually felt dumber after turning the television off. Particular to Seinfeld, I watched several episodes years ago and am pleased to admit I am glad I never developed an affection for the show because after tuning in for a few segments, I found the over-reliance on Kramer's slapstick and plots consistently revolving around irony to become swiftly tiresome. All three shows were inauthentic, imbued with over-explanations, deeply unprovocative, unenlightening, depended too heavily on fecal matter for humor or strong sexual themes, and, in my humble opinion, never created a conversation starter in any area of my life with anyone.

I later lowered myself to watch about twenty minutes of the Academy Awards (Good God, what a sorry cabal of nitwits), and I will sum up this gushing love fest in brief: It's Left-wing comedians masquerading as Left-wing political analysts preaching Left-wing propaganda to a miserable Left-wing audience. Every award show today doubles as pep rallies for uneducated Leftist film stars to bellow Left-wing groupthink or orate their Left-wing political "genius." What crap!

Over the past two weeks alone, I caught re-runs of Jerry Springer and Sally Jessy Raphael, both of whom either executed clumsy ambushes of estranged lovers or exploited freaks on their show. This is about all I have to say about both.

I could go on, but I don't care to vomit in my mouth. What I discovered is American is clearly addicted to trash; I am proud I watch perhaps five shows on television or cable networks.

If I do find myself situated in front of the television, it is to watch Portlandia, or a decent art film on IFC. Although the quality among the few shows I do watch today is lower than I would prefer, I can sustain a small amount of silliness unlike what I experienced when I willingly exposed myself to what television executives and writers offer elsewhere.

Perhaps my life belongs in a time which gave viewers quality films and television shows with credible plots and above-average actors and actresses. I'd prefer television comedy such as The Andy Griffith Show, The Honeymooners, or Ernie Kovacs, to How I met Your Mother or Two and a Half Men. I'd also prefer riveting films such as The Spy Who Came in From the Cold, or films with happy endings such as It's a Wonderful Life, The Deer Hunter, or High Noon to any Adam Sandler film. Adam Sandler is living proof one is always one dumb idea from becoming a millionaire.

Although you never challenged me to spend even a second of my precious time watching the above shows, I did as much as a consequence of our exchange in the now-notorious "Dumpster Fire" thread, of which I have fond memories. I deeply regret wasting my time.

Too late: I just vomited.
You take back what you said about Seinfeld. I recommend you do not watch:

Simpson’s (pre season 14)
Curb Your Enthusiasm
It’s Always Sunny
Broad City
Cheers
Workaholics
The Office
Parks and Rec
South Park
Arrested Development
Married with Children
East Bound and Down

As the forging are not on par with your high brow.
 
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It’s Always Sunny is brilliant.

Brilliant, but dark. Very dark sometimes. Used to watch but could not rationalize the constant taking God's name in vain. Too much GD and I turn it off. I just cannot stomach the fact TV networks will bleep out swear words but is totally fine not bleeping out GD. I have a real problem with that.
 

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Wittman,

I have so much to say about your post. First, thank you for the post. I found it to be entertaining and interesting. You are a truly funny individual. You actuallyy remind me of one of my favorite fraternity brother friends, who received his PhD in Rhetoric and Persuasion. He was President of our chapter and President of the NIU Forensics team. He has been on the NIU Board of Trustees for many years and is one of the best communicators I've ever known.

Let me be clear about Family Guy. I have a limited affection for the humor because it often offends me. One minute, something very clever will be said. The next minute, they are making fun of abortion or Jesus. It's far to irreverent for me to make it through a full episode.

Where we differ is in bathroom humor. Call my unsophisticated, but farts are funny (to me). I am laughing hysterically as I write this. There is something about a "public fart", the embarrassment to the farter and the uneasiness of the hearers is just outrageous to me. I digress...

Friends sucks. Period.
Seinfeld is very funny to me - I think some of the cameo characters are hilarious and the 2nd tier characters (George's parents, for example) are a scream.

Early episodes of The Office are great.

I'm with you though, Wittman. There is very little on TV these days that is truly entertaining. I watch very little TV for this reason plus the fact that I am so busy with career, family, the school, the church etc. One of my favorite pass times is working in the yard and the satisfaction of making our property look beautiful.

The Andy Griffith Show is one of my all time favorites. I love the simplicity of the time period. It is very comforting.

The only TV show I actually record and watch faithfully is the AMC series of "Mad Men". I think that series is very well written, quality actors and the characters are compelling.

Otherwise, I record "30 for 30" and "A Football Life". Sports documentaries are usually interesting and inspiring.
 

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Brilliant, but dark. Very dark sometimes. Used to watch but could not rationalize the constant taking God's name in vain. Too much GD and I turn it off. I just cannot stomach the fact TV networks will bleep out swear words but is totally fine not bleeping out GD. I have a real problem with that.
It’s satire.
 
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Cat:

In one of our last exchanges, the two of us briefly discussed a television show, Family Guy, of which you appeared to have some affection. I don't recall my exact words, but I did tell you I would respond in the near future with some observations of the show and a few others I randomly selected to critique.

I spent several weeks choosing television shows helter-skelter and I have to say I was utterly appalled at what some Americans watch. I will specify up front I rarely watch commercial television; I do not have an addiction to any NetFlix series or reality shows; and I refuse to watch 95 percent of American news programming. Full disclosure: I do not count the endless hours of college football I consume as low-quality television.

I'd like to begin with Family Guy, Seinfeld, and Friends. Painful to watch, all three featured mediocre actors, most of whom were in the early stages of their careers. Filled with idiotic stars, weak scripts, and utterly implausible plots, I actually felt dumber after turning the television off. Particular to Seinfeld, I watched several episodes years ago and am pleased to admit I am glad I never developed an affection for the show because after tuning in for a few segments, I found the over-reliance on Kramer's slapstick and plots consistently revolving around irony to become swiftly tiresome. All three shows were inauthentic, imbued with over-explanations, deeply unprovocative, unenlightening, depended too heavily on fecal matter for humor or strong sexual themes, and, in my humble opinion, never created a conversation starter in any area of my life with anyone.

I later lowered myself to watch about twenty minutes of the Academy Awards (Good God, what a sorry cabal of nitwits), and I will sum up this gushing love fest in brief: It's Left-wing comedians masquerading as Left-wing political analysts preaching Left-wing propaganda to a miserable Left-wing audience. Every award show today doubles as pep rallies for uneducated Leftist film stars to bellow Left-wing groupthink or orate their Left-wing political "genius." What crap!

Over the past two weeks alone, I caught re-runs of Jerry Springer and Sally Jessy Raphael, both of whom either executed clumsy ambushes of estranged lovers or exploited freaks on their show. This is about all I have to say about both.

I could go on, but I don't care to vomit in my mouth. What I discovered is American is clearly addicted to trash; I am proud I watch perhaps five shows on television or cable networks.

If I do find myself situated in front of the television, it is to watch Portlandia, or a decent art film on IFC. Although the quality among the few shows I do watch today is lower than I would prefer, I can sustain a small amount of silliness unlike what I experienced when I willingly exposed myself to what television executives and writers offer elsewhere.

Perhaps my life belongs in a time which gave viewers quality films and television shows with credible plots and above-average actors and actresses. I'd prefer television comedy such as The Andy Griffith Show, The Honeymooners, or Ernie Kovacs, to How I met Your Mother or Two and a Half Men. I'd also prefer riveting films such as The Spy Who Came in From the Cold, or films with happy endings such as It's a Wonderful Life, The Deer Hunter, or High Noon to any Adam Sandler film. Adam Sandler is living proof one is always one dumb idea from becoming a millionaire.

Although you never challenged me to spend even a second of my precious time watching the above shows, I did as much as a consequence of our exchange in the now-notorious "Dumpster Fire" thread, of which I have fond memories. I deeply regret wasting my time.

Too late: I just vomited.
This is a great post. I feel as if comedy, like food, is a personal choice and taste. We, as people, agree on some and not others. I never felt Seinfeld was funny. However, I have many friends who loved the show. I watched Family Guy for about 10 minutes and thought a couple jokes were funny. But it just isn't my style.

I agree, there is a lot of trash and crap on TV. But, that didn't just start yesterday. Married With Children goes back to the 1980s and was total crap. I thought Roseann was a trashy show and I was never a fan of hers either. I am not, in general, a big fan of stupid humor, although some of it is hilarious. You have to give the TV executives credit. They know who their audiences are. I don't know if I am sounding like my dad or late grandparents when I say there is more garbage on TV now than there's ever been. I haven't watched network TV sitcoms in years.

However, I do like Two and a Half Men. The Charlie Sheen episodes. I like it because it pokes fun of a lot of things and people. Yes, it is pretty stupid. I didn't even start watching it until I saw a re-run not long before Sheen left the show. It was on WGN one night and I just tuned it in. But, if that show was to premier now with the stars they had and that script I am not sure it could survive. People are way too easily offended now and way too PC in this country. The current president and the last one are both prime examples of this. One is too easily offended and has the attention span of a first grader. And the other is so sickeningly PC and easily offended as well.

I agree with you about the old comedies. It does kind of give you a look at where we were as a country at the time. I also like the ones you mentioned. Creativity left Hollywood and TV long ago and a lot of talent did too. For the most part, I don't like politics in my entertainment or sports viewing. That is, unless politics is done with harmless humor in entertainment. But that isn't the case anymore for the most part. Now, what some stand up "comedians" think is funny, really isn't. I don't need any "comedian" seriously telling me what I should think about politics, politicians and which side I should be on when they are trying to make me laugh. I know politics is a scummy world as are pretty much all politicians. I understand the world has been shaven by a drunken barber.

I think much of TV is a reflection of society itself. But, what do I know?

I am not a NetFlix watcher although I could watch it on any TV I have. My kids watch some things there from time to time. As for News on TV. I am not a big TV news guy. But, when I was in Europe I did watch Sky News and found it to be very interesting. I looked for it on cable here but I don't get it. I still read 3 newspapers a day. Our local Herald News, The Sun-Times and Tribune. The Herald News doesn't publish on Saturday so I substitute the Wall Street Journal because I love the Review section and quiz. So, On Sunday, it's the 3 papers I get during the week and the Southtown. Lots of comics! I don't read the NY Times anymore. I don't like a paper with a crap sports section and no comics. :)

I do watch sports on TV. I watch that more than anything. As bad as they are, I do watch the Sox most of the time. Hawk has actually become enjoyable for me. Maybe because he doesn't do many games anymore. I watch a lot of MLB and NHL TV too. I'll check in on the Cubs every so often. I am really enjoying the NHL Final too. But, with that said, when the weather is nice the TV isn't on much. On the week ends, I'll sit outside, read the paper and listen to a ball game if it's nice. That is, only after all the household duties of the day are finished first. While many people I knew were sweltering and inside on Memorial Day week end, I was outside for much of the time sitting in the shade. Sounds simple, but I still like a real cold one on a hot humid day.

Sorry I went off track. But, I agree with much of what you said.
 

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Wittman,

I have so much to say about your post. First, thank you for the post. I found it to be entertaining and interesting. You are a truly funny individual. You actuallyy remind me of one of my favorite fraternity brother friends, who received his PhD in Rhetoric and Persuasion. He was President of our chapter and President of the NIU Forensics team. He has been on the NIU Board of Trustees for many years and is one of the best communicators I've ever known.

Let me be clear about Family Guy. I have a limited affection for the humor because it often offends me. One minute, something very clever will be said. The next minute, they are making fun of abortion or Jesus. It's far to irreverent for me to make it through a full episode.

Where we differ is in bathroom humor. Call my unsophisticated, but farts are funny (to me). I am laughing hysterically as I write this. There is something about a "public fart", the embarrassment to the farter and the uneasiness of the hearers is just outrageous to me. I digress...

Friends sucks. Period.
Seinfeld is very funny to me - I think some of the cameo characters are hilarious and the 2nd tier characters (George's parents, for example) are a scream.

Early episodes of The Office are great.

I'm with you though, Wittman. There is very little on TV these days that is truly entertaining. I watch very little TV for this reason plus the fact that I am so busy with career, family, the school, the church etc. One of my favorite pass times is working in the yard and the satisfaction of making our property look beautiful.

The Andy Griffith Show is one of my all time favorites. I love the simplicity of the time period. It is very comforting.

The only TV show I actually record and watch faithfully is the AMC series of "Mad Men". I think that series is very well written, quality actors and the characters are compelling.

Otherwise, I record "30 for 30" and "A Football Life". Sports documentaries are usually interesting and inspiring.

Where we differ is in bathroom humor. Call my unsophisticated, but farts are funny (to me). I am laughing hysterically as I write this. There is something about a "public fart", the embarrassment to the farter and the uneasiness of the hearers is just outrageous to me. I digress...
I too am OK with bathroom humor and find farts to be funny as well. Good low brow stuff. But I have to tell you a funny story. I do watch myself but sometimes I fart more freely in public too. I am old enough to where I don't care.

Last summer we went on a family vacation and drove out west. We were lucky because our kids, who are all adults with only on living at home. arranged their schedules to go too. They drove separately. We saw Yellowstone, The Grand Tetons, Glacier National Park, The Badlands and we drove in a park where wild animals were roaming. I am talking Bears, Buffalo, Elk, Bison etc. Then at the end of the route we were able to get out of the car and view animals in captivity.

So we saw this grizzly bear. The thing was huge even though it was close to 50 yards away. I was standing next to my son and there was a young couple maybe 10 feet away. I was feeling a little gas so I ripped a massive one. Much louder than I thought it was going to be. (as you get older, you can gauge these things with more accuracy most of the time) My son started to laugh and the guy standing near us, in a straight face, looked at his girlfriend and said, "geez was that the grizzly?" My son and I both laughed our asses off.
 
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I have some good books

Epic - what are your five favorite books? Are you a fiction or non-fiction guy?

I'm a non-fiction guy. I don't read for entertainment, I read for knowledge and motivation. I envy people who read for entertainment because that means they actually enjoy reading. I don't particularly enjoy reading. In fact, I would prefer to listen to books and messages. I won't read a book five times, but I will listen to a message on CD for podcast multiple times. When I listen multiple times, I can really get the information in my mind and have better recall. There are certain pastors I enjoy listening to (James MacDonald, Ravi Zacharias, Tony Evans).

Would love a list of your five favorite books...
 

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Epic - what are your five favorite books? Are you a fiction or non-fiction guy?

I'm a non-fiction guy. I don't read for entertainment, I read for knowledge and motivation. I envy people who read for entertainment because that means they actually enjoy reading. I don't particularly enjoy reading. In fact, I would prefer to listen to books and messages. I won't read a book five times, but I will listen to a message on CD for podcast multiple times. When I listen multiple times, I can really get the information in my mind and have better recall. There are certain pastors I enjoy listening to (James MacDonald, Ravi Zacharias, Tony Evans).

Would love a list of your five favorite books...
I do not like fiction much, but it has its place.

My five as of now.

All Quiet on the Western Front
The Manly Art by Gorn
Balkan Ghosts by Kaplan
Imagined Communities by Anderson
Liberation Trilogy by Atkinson (Okay it's three)
 

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I have so much to say about your post. First, thank you for the post. I found it to be entertaining and interesting. You are a truly funny individual. You actually remind me of one of my favorite fraternity brother friends, who received his PhD in Rhetoric and Persuasion. He was President of our chapter and President of the NIU Forensics team. He has been on the NIU Board of Trustees for many years and is one of the best communicators I've ever known.

Cat:

I was not a member of a fraternity, but perhaps your "frat" brother is a long, lost family member of mine.

The Andy Griffith Show is one of my all time favorites. I love the simplicity of the time period. It is very comforting.

The humor is timeless and there was always something so appealing about the community's only recidivist, Otis, the town drunk. What I revered about the way Otis is depicted is it shattered the romanticized version of alchies. The Andy Griffith Show emerged after Dean Martin glamorized getting soused in the 50s. Togged out in a tuxedo, Martin always idealized sponges as stirring a drink with his finger on the edge of a piano at a nightclub, and always with a buxom gal under his arm. Otis gave us a more realistic version of a disheveled boozer behind bars.

I raise my glass to the writers of the show.
 

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As for News on TV. I am not a big TV news guy. But, when I was in Europe I did watch Sky News and found it to be very interesting. I looked for it on cable here but I don't get it. I still read 3 newspapers a day. Our local Herald News, The Sun-Times and Tribune. The Herald News doesn't publish on Saturday so I substitute the Wall Street Journal because I love the Review section and quiz. So, On Sunday, it's the 3 papers I get during the week and the Southtown. Lots of comics! I don't read the NY Times anymore. I don't like a paper with a crap sports section and no comics. :)

LTHS:

I do not believe Sky News is carried on any cable provider here in the states. I do, however, recommend you tune in to France24, BBC News, and RT (Russia Today). All three have been far superior news sources than Fox, CNN, and the appalling MSNBC.

I unloaded The Chicago Sun Times two years ago after the editorial board referred to America's favorite Bolshevik, Bernie Sanders, as a skilled public servant and a man of vision, insight, and leadership. I ended my relationship with The New York Times several years ago after it published some fire-breathing, Progressive zealot's piece in its editorial page demanding airline carriers eliminate First and Business classes in the fight for social justice. First and Business class, the author insisted, was a painful reminder to those of less means that people of wealth actually exist.

I suggest you read The London Telegraph, The Moscow Times, The Hindu, SCMP, or The Jerusalem Post. All five report on world news, not just what takes place in Washington, D.C. or New York. Believe it or not, world events occur globally.
 

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Non-Fiction:

The Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair That Changed America

Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption

The Boys in the Boat: Nine Americans and Their Epic Quest for Gold at the 1936 Berlin Olympics

Undaunted Courage: Meriwether Lewis, Thomas Jefferson, and the Opening of the American West

Band of Brothers: The True Story of Easy Company

1776 by David McCullough

Into Thin Air: A Personal Account of the Mt. Everest Disaster

Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders
 

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LTHS:

I do not believe Sky News is carried on any cable provider here in the states. I do, however, recommend you tune in to France24, BBC News, and RT (Russia Today). All three have been far superior news sources than Fox, CNN, and the appalling MSNBC.

I unloaded The Chicago Sun Times two years ago after the editorial board referred to America's favorite Bolshevik, Bernie Sanders, as a skilled public servant and a man of vision, insight, and leadership. I ended my relationship with The New York Times several years ago after it published some fire-breathing, Progressive zealot's piece in its editorial page demanding airline carriers eliminate First and Business classes in the fight for social justice. First and Business class, the author insisted, was a painful reminder to those of less means that people of wealth actually exist.

I suggest you read The London Telegraph, The Moscow Times, The Hindu, SCMP, or The Jerusalem Post. All five report on world news, not just what takes place in Washington, D.C. or New York. Believe it or not, world events occur globally.
While I was in Europe, I wouldn't say I viewed Sky News in abundance. Too busy doing things. But there was almost nothing about the United States. I don't recall any kind of slant. I only remember seeing one thing about the U.S. They showed the press conference live when the investigation of Hillary Clinton was concluded in July of 2016. It was evening where I viewed it. I don't remember anyone at Sky News making a slanting comment after the press conference was over. That is how I like news. Just give me the facts. I'll decide what to think about it.

I will check out the stations you recommend if I have them. I have a pretty big package with Comcast. So, we'll see.

I read the Sun-Times sports section but I wouldn't give you a nickel for the news section. They should name the paper "The Activist" because pretty much all of their writers are activists in some form or another. They give you news, then tell you their opinion and what you should think about it. Mostly Chicago and surrounding area news. Usually only one page of global news, especially now since the USA Today section is gone.

They recently went through a "makeover" ending the USA Today section. That paper is so slanted one way it's no wonder it's the cheapest one on the stand. They now call themselves "The Hardest Working Paper in America." I don't know whose brilliant idea that was. It doesn't take much effort to push a certain agenda every day without giving both sides of a story. I honestly have no idea why they even have an editorial page. The whole news section is an editorial and someone's opinion.

They had no less than four writers put out articles asking people to subscribe to the paper. One went so far as to say he is begging.

I am not saying the Tribune is the answer to everything but it is miles and miles ahead of the Sun-Times.

A few of the sportswriters at the Sun-Times have expressed their political views from time to time as well. Telander just had a political article yesterday. Morrissey also goes there. Now, that is something I can't stand. If you want to write about politics, go write for the news section. If you want to write for the sports section, please keep it to the teams players and what they do on the field during the game, unless you write something about PEDs, etc. I don't need to be lectured in the sports section by a few guys who think they are smarter and more well informed than the rest of us.
 

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There is a pretty big sports-politics story right now, and if they wrote on that and you take issue then you struggle with context.
 

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There is a pretty big sports-politics story right now, and if they wrote on that and you take issue then you struggle with context.
I don't struggle with the context at all. As I said in my earlier post, I have a problem with sportswriters expressing their political views. THAT doesn't belong on the sports page. Just write the effing story and keep your personal feelings out of it. But, that's all the Sun-Times is.

I don't need to know what these "writers" think about this president, the last one or any other. Their opinion is irrelevant. So, leave it out. The way they are writing this whole Eagles story is a joke too. They are "conveniently" leaving out some facts to make it look like they were invited and then disinvited without any explanation or because of some who kneel.

So I ask you. Suppose you were throwing a party and and had 70-80 people say they are coming and you made preparations for all those people. Then, suppose you had a pretty much last minute change in which you were informed maybe 2 or 3 people are coming. How motivated would you be to have the party? Not much, correct?

I was watching a show with Telander and Dave Kaplan and a couple other guys I don't know of. They started to talk about the Eagles situation and of course Telander had to get a little political. Then Kaplan made an excellent suggestion. He said, he pretty much never talks about politics. But what's the harm in the Eagles going to the White House and going to the President and saying, we're here right now, let's have a conversation about all of this. I think that's a great suggestion. But, you can't have a conversation unless you have both parties willing to meet. If either or both sides don't want to meet it won't work and that is where the problem is.

I am not taking sides in this. Both sides really need to work on this and have a conversation. I am willing to bend a little and say, ok go ahead and write the story if it is relevant. But, keep your personal political feelings out of it and report both sides, not just one. People are usually smart enough to make up their own minds when they see all of the facts presented in a non partisan way. If they need someone to think for them, or tell them what to think, they have issues that can't be corrected.

Now, here is something that no one has brought up. No one. The NBA actually has a rule against kneeling for the national anthem. Players are supposed to stand. The question now is, how will it be handled if someone kneels? I don't follow the NBA but I knew about that rule. The last I saw the NBA has no plans to change the rule.

Why aren't any of the sportswriters writing about that? Isn't that relevant? I haven't seen the acronym NBA in any of the articles I have read on this subject. If it's wrong in the NFL to have such a rule why isn't it being mentioned regarding the NBA? Here is an example of these guys,and women not reporting all the facts and giving both sides.
 
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I just heard someone say it is best for President Trump to not have the Washington Capitals at the White House after they won the Cup last night.

The reason is because if he decides to meet with Alexander Ovechkin and Evgeny Kusnetsov he will be arrested on the spot and will face charges of colluding with the Russians. :)
 
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You knuckleheads can draw anything into the gutter. Stick to the topic people.

Some suggestions for our local renaissance man:
  • The Office (British Version) - You can hate Gervais' politics but that original series is still amazing
  • Extras - If you can't watch the whole series, fine, but watch the 2 hour Finale and thank me later
  • Power of Myth - Bill Moyers interviews Joseph Campbell (On Netflix) in a most riveting dialogue about religions/beliefs through time
  • Seinfeld (Two episodes) - The Limo and The Boyfriend (OK the Boyfriend is actually a two-parter)
  • Simpsons - Lisa's Substitute, Bart on the Road (Huge payoffs to multi-tiered jokes), Last Exit to Springfield, 22 Short Films About Springfield (Tribute to the amazing doc, 32 Short Films About Glenn Gould which I also highly recommend)
  • Arrested Development - No series can be harsher on the characters while building multi-tiered jokes that payoff in the most sublime way. Start at the beginning and indulge and you won't be sorry.
  • Larry Sanders Show - Bonus points for watching the Garry Shandling Doc also on Netflix as this guy was such a mensch.
  • Barry - HBO series with Bill Hader that will offend with language and brutality but perfect mix of comedy and character study
PS - Friends - Always steer clear of pure vanity projects. They can give you diabetes.

Cheers!
 

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I do not know to whom you are referring in your salutation "Renaissance man, but I do agree with you on several television shows.

The Office (British Version) - You can hate Gervais' politics but that original series is still amazing

One of the finest comedies I have ever seen. It is a terrible tragedy the middling-talent, Steve Carrell, ruined it. The BBC production was created in a way it was virtually impossible to have sympathy for Dave Brent. On the contrary, this clever show demands you despise Gervais' character more at the end of every episode.

Extras - If you can't watch the whole series, fine, but watch the 2 hour Finale and thank me later.

Another Gervais' classic............a brilliant take on Hollywood's emptiness and its boundless lack of creativity.

Power of Myth - Bill Moyers interviews Joseph Campbell (On Netflix) in a most riveting dialogue about religions/beliefs through time.

On this, however, I must disagree: Bill Moyers sucks, and bad. As the author of the most misleading and objectionable attack ad in the history of modern politics, it is inconceivable to take Moyers seriously on any subject.

Arrested Development - No series can be harsher on the characters while building multi-tiered jokes that payoff in the most sublime way. Start at the beginning and indulge and you won't be sorry.

This is true. A sharp-witted comedy. "There's money in the banana stand."

I never saw one, Larry Sanders, but I will investigate Barry on your recommendation.
 
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On this, however, I must disagree: Bill Moyers sucks, and bad. As the author of the most misleading and objectionable attack ad in the history of modern politics, it is inconceivable to take Moyers seriously on any subject.

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You have to put your way back hat on to the days before we knew Bill Clinton or cared about Iraq or the Internet and realize there was a time when Moyers wasn't a bloviating gas bag. It's really Campbell I'm after here. Campbell taught me enough about compassion to change my trajectory from the bullying ways I knew as a child helped me to see every new concept through a Socratic lens, whereby I might hold two conflicting thoughts at once while investigation occurs. My favorite Campbellism comes from when he was teaching Lit at Sarah Lawrence:
Upon seeing the extensive reading list included in the syllabus for his class, a student remarked "Dear Lord, Professor Campbell, how am I going to get through all of these works, while also allowing me time for my other classes?"
Campbell replies "You misunderstand young lady, you have a lifetime to complete these assigned works."
For whatever reason that idea stuck with me. It isn't a matter of what I have or haven't read, rather it's when I am ready to read it.

You can drop the Moyers and go straight to the Hero with a Thousand Faces, but since the topic was available streaming media...