the kid has impressed me on many levels—poise, handle, ability to drive the lane at times, quickness moving feet on defense. I don’t think he’s that far off in terms of potential than BMac and may be a better perimeter shooter long term. Big issue is that BMac was given the keys from day 1 and knew he could play thru mistakes. Greer knows he can get pulled any second so not as much room to develop on court. He may stink but I don’t see him way off in terms of talent with guys like Juice and BMac, with some pros and cons of course.
Can Greer be the answer at PG next season
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Ash will start,but Greer will get 15 minutes a game. Ash is our best defensive player. Once he went down last year,we lost our identify.
Greer has shown flashes in his limited minutes. I don't know if he'll be the answer next year, that seems unlikely, but I believe he will be a good compliment and share minutes with a PG to be named later.
There's still a lot of season and off season left though, and like any other player he could pleasantly surprise or sadly disappoint - most likely a bit of both because who isn't a mixed bag?
There's still a lot of season and off season left though, and like any other player he could pleasantly surprise or sadly disappoint - most likely a bit of both because who isn't a mixed bag?
Maybe I'm being too hard on the kid, but what flashes do people keep seeing? Everyone says they see flashes with Greer and that he should be given more chances, but I don't see anything. He seems undersized and rather slow. He doesn't seem to distribute very well when he drives into the paint. I've been pretty bummed out by his distance shooting. He fouls too much on defense when he's in there. I'm not really counting on much from him other than some back-up minutes over the next couple years and maybe, if we're lucky, a little senior year magic. Tell me why I'm crazy? Please!
a 5th year transfer or the incoming guy will start.
i like greer but don't see him as just a leader type with out stars around him. we need a guy who can get to the basket on a continual basis and that isn't him
i do think he can be a major contributor as a junior and senior
i like greer but don't see him as just a leader type with out stars around him. we need a guy who can get to the basket on a continual basis and that isn't him
i do think he can be a major contributor as a junior and senior
Ok. your crazy. Try and remember that he could still be playing H.S. ball and yet he's the best PG on this years squad. Not undersized at all and probably as quick as Mac. The offense runs much better when he's in and has shown enough shooting from the outside to keep other teams honest. Think you're missing quite a bit. Just my opinion.
He is by no means a lock to be a solid starter in the big ten. But this is what I see;
1. Plays like a natural PG, comfortable running the offense and handling the ball.
2. Gets to the basket pretty well (better than I expected) and actually does finish when he gets to the rim--which is not always.
3. Moves his feet extremely well on defense and stays in front of his guy. Refs call all kinds of fouls on defense, but the kid does not get blown by too often.
4. 49% 3 pt shooting in high school and the look of his shooting stroke make me think he's got more upside as a 3 pt shooter than BMac, who had a bit of a rushed/heave stroke.
He's a typical height for a college PG and not a super athlete, but not bad either. He is no slower than Bmac, though BM was a bit taller and seemed to have more vertical. Tradeoff with Bmac is a little bit of vertical but a nicer looking shot. Tradeoff with Juice is a bit of quickness and we'll have to wait and see if he has Juice's toughness and intangibles (which is rare), but Greer is taller and way better on defense.
Greer seems to have the physical tools to be a good B1G point guard. Just needs more experience and confidence.
We'll add Boo Buie next season.
If we can add a graduate transfer like KJ Feagin, then we should be in very good shape at the lead guard spot.
We'll add Boo Buie next season.
If we can add a graduate transfer like KJ Feagin, then we should be in very good shape at the lead guard spot.
Greer seems much closer to Sobo than to Mc, to these eyes.
He’s not quick enough for someone his size, though he might get there.
Had he been a fall commit, he would’ve probably had more contact with NU in terms of preparing himself for the rigors of D1. As it stands, he was prepping for prep school until the month before he arrived on campus.
I see Greer in the solid backup role next year. Maybe by his junior and senior seasons he can develop into more than that.
He has made some nice drives and made some nice dishes. He sees the floor better than guys we have that are not really PGs. He is hesitant to shoot from outside so far but as others have said, in HS he was a 49% outside shooter. He has the tools but he is a HS Senior trying to play in the BIG and his body is not quite ready yet. It also seems that CCC has put constraints on him when he is in so he is not playing loose.
I agree with your last part for sure. He does seem extremely tight when he's out there. Perhaps once he has some more confidence and just let's it rip, his natural abilities will shine through more. But for now, he seems timid and rarely hits his jumper that I've seen. Next year will likely be a much better read on his potential.
What I've seen is a kid with good positioning on D, a decent handle on the ball, good passing and court vision, playing a game that is still moving a little too fast for him. He has made some nice drives for a layup against active B1G defenders trying to stop him, some nice drive and dishes, and has been effective at putting the ball in Pardon's hands whenever possible.
If he were playing that well all the time, he'd be getting 20-25 minutes a game imho, but its just flashes at the moment. He still makes rookie mistakes, leaving his feet trying to pass, gets burned on D too often, stuff like that. And I think his is too slow to become a consistently effective starter in conference. But I see him being able to run the offense with limited turn overs - in his future. And maybe I'm wrong about his quicks and that will changes as the game slows down for him as well.
Haywood, when you refer to the incoming guy do you mean Buie or possibly another recruit. I just have the feeling they are out talking to another point guard prospect that the recruiting sites do not know.
With at least two open schollies left, I would like to see a ball handler guard and a big guy. Both legit B1G players - no projects. We have schollies invested in Young, a project, Nance, who needs development time and Greer, who I think is more of a project after coming in a year early.
In fact, with Buie and the guard to be signed later, I would love to see them try to redshirt Greer a year and let him fall back to his natural class. Mac's age was an advantage, IMHO, and I think Greer's age is a big disadvantage.
And what of Falzon? If you are him, do you stay? Do you grad transfer? I'm sure the staff would prefer to keep him, but line up next year:
Buie / ?guard?
Gaines
Kopp
Nance
Benson / Young
With Turner and Beran filling out the top 9. I'm sure Falzon could win minutes back. And injury can quickly push him back to he floor. But if you are in Falzon's head - seems like you haven't gotten much time this year and things aren't shaping well for next year, do you take your NU degree and check out another campus with better girls and an opening in the top 6-7 spots?
And if that does come to pass, we are now facing 6 schollies to fill with two signed and one unsigned commitment...
23 minutes against PSU. He is going to have the same physical problems whether he stays or goes somewhere else. I do not see him going the grad transfer route. Either stays here for one additional year or retires from BB because of the difficulty in dealing with the injuries, Thought I heard somewhere about how long it took him just to loosen up.
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There is approximately a zero percent chance that Greer redshirts next year, aside from an injury.
How can you even contemplate that given our current LG situation?!?!
To answer the OP: I don't think he's the ultimate answer, but could be a solid contributor throughout his career.
I was talking about Buie. Greer can be solid no doubt, but there needs to be someone on the floor who can create shots for other guys. In my opinion its going to be Buie or a GTPG. Just isn't enough other guys around Greer who can create enough offense to keep him on the court for extended periods of time. As he learns craftiness and the young guys improve - I could see his minutes increasing down the road.
He looks very immobile out there, with virtually no lateral movement on offense. I just wonder if he will be playing anywhere next year. Let’s see what happens.
I don’t know about this based on the last game. PSU was driving past Taylor, Turner and even Law with more regularity than they were with Falzon. Surprised, but that is what it looked like to me.
I assume we land another quality ball handling guard as grad transfer, Buie arrives and is more ready than Greer and Turner and Gaines stay in the rotation.
But you are probably right, he won’t take a shirt.
Totally agree. I was waiting to see Falzon get blown by after the talk of his lack of lateral movement but he uses his length, smarts and played perfectly good defense on perimeter and even underneath at times. With his length he could actually help play inside defense in a small ball lineup next year. Maybe he doesn’t come back but he’s arguably our best shooter and plays with a lot of passion, which helps the team.
I actually disagree with this... the thing I like most about him is that he drives to the basket more than almost anyone else on the team, maybe ex Vic (although Vic tends to drive for the pull-up jumper more than to the rim, and that hasn’t been effective recently). I don’t think he plays tight, I think he takes more risk than someone like Turner or Vic at PG. I think his drive and kick is what we need. His limitations though are why I think 10-15 mpg are appropriate for him in most games right now. He’s short and not B1G level strength yet so he struggles to finish inside, and this also leads to some turnovers in traffic. He does create some good opportunities for teammates though. On defense, while he gives good effort his lack of length and just okay quickness mean that he can’t match up against everyone (BMac had a similar problem though for slightly different reasons). If he could find that supposed 49% 3pt stroke then that would help a lot.
Right now though, he has some positives but those are offset by his limitations. I’m happy with his current usage. If a game arises where he is providing a spark or has a good matchup, then sure give him more minutes. And hopefully he keeps developing.
I feel that his D has improved enough to keep him on the floor, I do not see him going the Grad Transfer route. He either comes back or retires from BB. He deserves the shot to come back
Ya, he could easily be a starter next year if healthy. He'd be our best shooter, 6 ft 8 and long enough to guard multiple positions and one of our emotional leaders.
I was not expecting much with Falzon's defense post-injuries. Watching him live and on tape, I must say that I have been pleasantly surprised. Now granted, he is generally assigned to the third, fourth and fifth optoons in the opposing offense, but his egregious mistakes are rare, and he generally makes up for them by getting key blocks or steals.