Can PSU win 3 more games

KingLando

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So getting to the final four and being one play away from the title game is not competing for a national title? Got it.
Right he beat a bad ACC team and a G5 team. They realized our path to the F4 was so easy they changed the format. Neither SMU nor Boise State were good teams. Plus we all know had we beat a mid ND team (which he couldn't do) then we'd have lost to Ohio State per usual.

He had to go....that's not a prospective from a fan. That's simply common sense. Just like Richt had to go.

You're still pretending Franklin did deserve to be fired. It makes no sense.
 

Ludd

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Right he beat a bad ACC team and a G5 team. They realized our path to the F4 was so easy they changed the format. Neither SMU nor Boise State were good teams. Plus we all know had we beat a mid ND team (which he couldn't do) then we'd have lost to Ohio State per usual.

He had to go....that's not a prospective from a fan. That's simply common sense. Just like Richt had to go.

You're still pretending Franklin did deserve to be fired. It makes no sense.
Your definition of not a good team and mine are different. And it’s not about whether he should have been fired as much as when he was fired. And someone having the opinion he shouldn’t have been fired is not pretending…it’s just as valid an opinion as yours.
 

KingLando

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Your definition of not a good team and mine are different. And it’s not about whether he should have been fired as much as when he was fired. And someone having the opinion he shouldn’t have been fired is not pretending…it’s just as valid an opinion as yours.
You've yet to make any logical argument for why firing him mid-season is worse than keeping him and losing recruits when you fire him in November

Good teams are title contenders. Period.
 
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Mufasa94

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Franklin would have gotten another job immediately whether we fired him after NW or at the end of the season.
At anywhere from 6-6 to 3-9 with an additional half season of interviews, press conferences, and on field shots he would be less attractive than he currently is. That would correspond to less options. Are you disagreeing with this?
Franklin would have gotten another job immediately whether we fired him after NW or at the end of the season. And his 8.5M buyout will in all likelihood be entirely covered by his new salary offsetting it because the coaching market is about to get a massive reset, and Franklin's salary was already only about top 15 or so. Now all he'll need is a top 25 salary to completely nullify the offset, which he'll get without much issue at any P4 school. I highly doubt that PSU decided to fire him when they did because of the offset clause. They fired him because the team was a complete failure on the field all season after massive payments to retain a senior heavy team were secured, he apparently went behind Kraft's back for a contract, and the home game environment became so toxic that it would have been insane to allow it to continue for another game.
The why he was fired reason is obvious. They could have waited until after this past tOSU game if home game environment was the main timing reason.

Another benefit of the timing they used is it removed the potential of a push to have Terry Smith offered a permanent position if a later firing had occurred and Smith had been able to rally the team to win the final three games.
 

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Right he beat a bad ACC team and a G5 team. They realized our path to the F4 was so easy they changed the format. Neither SMU nor Boise State were good teams. Plus we all know had we beat a mid ND team (which he couldn't do) then we'd have lost to Ohio State per usual.

He had to go....that's not a prospective from a fan. That's simply common sense. Just like Richt had to go.

You're still pretending Franklin did deserve to be fired. It makes no sense.

He needed to go but there's no reason to denigrate SMU and Boise. Let's not act like a loss to either wouldn't have been another "big game loss" if it had come to pass. If ND was mid , our entire half of the bracket was mid and the only teams worth a damn were OSU, Oregon and maybe Texas?

Oregon having to open with OSU had as much to do with the format change as anything.
 

Erial_Lion

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You would lose no matter what the odds are to make it attractive. I guess if you bet $10 to win $100 you can take a flier but you will still lose $10.
If someone actually offered me 9-1 on us winning Saturday, it would be a no brainer to play it for however much action they'd take.
 

Erial_Lion

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He needed to go but there's no reason to denigrate SMU and Boise. Let's not act like a loss to either wouldn't have been another "big game loss" if it had come to pass. If ND was mid , our entire half of the bracket was mid and the only teams worth a damn were OSU, Oregon and maybe Texas?

Oregon having to open with OSU had as much to do with the format change as anything.
I mean, the team that lost in the National Title game obviously isn't "mid". It's a ridiculous comment.
 
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KingLando

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He needed to go but there's no reason to denigrate SMU and Boise. Let's not act like a loss to either wouldn't have been another "big game loss" if it had come to pass. If ND was mid , our entire half of the bracket was mid and the only teams worth a damn were OSU, Oregon and maybe Texas?

Oregon having to open with OSU had as much to do with the format change as anything.
Yes our half of the bracket was insanely weak. Georgia, if healthy, would have been legit.

And...no...had we lost to Boise State or SMU the talk would have been about James being unable to win games he should win.
 

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I mean, the team that lost in the National Title game obviously isn't "mid". It's a ridiculous comment.
It is...look at the path. An unprepared Indiana team, a banged up Georgia team and Franklin. We all knew Ohio State would beat the winner of our game.
 

Erial_Lion

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It is...look at the path. An unprepared Indiana team, a banged up Georgia team and Franklin. We all knew Ohio State would beat the winner of our game.
If there were about 6 teams in D1, then you'd have a point. But the team that finished runner up, and was one of the top 4-5 teams in the country (if you want to argue the other side of the bracket was stacked), is anything but "mid".
 
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Yes our half of the bracket was insanely weak. Georgia, if healthy, would have been legit.

And...no...had we lost to Boise State or SMU the talk would have been about James being unable to win games he should win.

Out of 136 FBS teams, where would you have slotted ND, UGA, OSU, Texas, Oregon, ASU and Tennessee heading into the playoff between 1 and 136.
 
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KingLando

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If there were about 6 teams in D1, then you'd have a point. But the team that finished runner up, and was one of the top 4-5 teams in the country (if you want to argue the other side of the bracket was stacked), is anything but "mid".
How so? We aren't using non-contenders to determine what a good team is. If you use teams outside of the Big Ten and SEC you'd ve able to claim everyone we beat is a good team. ND, like us, benefitted due to the dumb rul3s set forth with the byes. Our side of the bracket was so weak that the changed the rules after a single season.

Beating ND would have counted as a big win but they weren't an elite team. The lost to a MAC team for starters.
 

KingLando

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Out of 136 FBS teams, where would you have slotted ND, UGA, OSU, Texas, Oregon, ASU and Tennessee heading into the playoff between 1 and 136.
And this is my point. FBS isn't really 136 team..those teams just exist for the money. There's 80+ that have no chance to even sniff a playoff when the season begins. Each year there's typically 5-8 truly elite team. This year it looks like Indiana Ohio State A&M Georgia and maybe Bama can win a title. Maybe Oregon and Ole Miss. Everyone else just wants to make the playoff and maybe pull off an upset before being eliminated.

Imagine comparing a Big Ten team to a MAC team smh
 

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How so? We aren't using non-contenders to determine what a good team is. If you use teams outside of the Big Ten and SEC you'd ve able to claim everyone we beat is a good team. ND, like us, benefitted due to the dumb rul3s set forth with the byes. Our side of the bracket was so weak that the changed the rules after a single season.

Beating ND would have counted as a big win but they weren't an elite team. The lost to a MAC team for starters.
So a team is either "elite" or "mid"? Notre Dame was one of the top 5-6 teams in the country last year. If you want to really wanted to stretch it, maybe you could knock them down to 7th or 8th. That's not "mid". And losing one game to a MAC team doesn't change that (especially when you pull it together and make the title game).

It's such a preposterous argument.
 
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Count on it. Most bigtime programs will take their foot off the pedal when the game is already decided - not Cignetti and Indiana. He's starting to rub many B1G programs and coaches the wrong way..........especially the lower programs
The lower programs, like us?
 

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In a fascinating turn of events given what is happening tonight...this thread also applies to Penn State basketball
 

KingLando

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So a team is either "elite" or "mid"? Notre Dame was one of the top 5-6 teams in the country last year. If you want to really wanted to stretch it, maybe you could knock them down to 7th or 8th. That's not "mid". And losing one game to a MAC team doesn't change that (especially when you pull it together and make the title game).

It's such a preposterous argument.
Yes...there nothing in between. There's contenders and others.
ND was considered a borderline playoff team because of a bad loss and not beating g anyone.
 

Mufasa94

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Yes...there nothing in between. There's contenders and others.
ND was considered a borderline playoff team because of a bad loss and not beating g anyone.
ND was ranked 5th, that isn’t close to borderline.