Can someone explain to me how VHSL points
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You need a Ouija board a rabbits foot and Barney Fife
You get a set amount of points for the opponents classification. 4a is 22 for a win and 10 for a loss. Then you get points for each of their wins, 2 points per win if you best them, 1 point per win if you lost to them. Then the total is divided by number of games played (ex. 230 total points after regular season, divided by 10 equals 23.0).
Example. Blacksburg gets 32 points right now for win against Salem. 22 for Salem being a 4a team and 10 for Salems 5 wins. If Salem wins out, Blacksburg would get a total of 38 (22 and 16). Had Salem won the game, Blacksburg would have 16 right now, 10 for Salem being 4a, and 6 for each of their wins.
So at the moment Blacksburg has 32 points from 4a Salem, and 30 from Amherst (4-3). They have 16 for loss to Lord Botetourt. 8 for loss to 3a team, 6 bonus points per each game won by LB, and 2 bonus points for playing a 3a team
This system does reward a team to schedule weaker opponents in the larger classifications rather schedule tougher opponents even one class down. Lafayette this year is an example. Critizied for scheduling soft opening games (only non district game) they passed this year on Huguenot, class 4 that they always defeat and took on a tougher Southside I C Norcom, class 3 division. Huguenot is 3-4, Norcom is 7-1. Had Lafayette played and assuredly beat Huguenot, 28 power points. Played and lost in last 30 seconds of game to Norcom only 15 power points. Big difference. Pays to play mediocre teams for power points.
@Lafayette you guys should not be playing down unless it is Phoebus and even then I wouldn’t do it. Lafayette got lucky this year with Norcom. Norcom was a 500 football team last year and lost by LARGE margins and was in a week district. Are you saying you went out of your way to schedule Norcom bc you knew they were going to be 9-1 this season?
You should try to get a 5a from Richmond on your schedule or a Woodside. Lafayette has a strong enough brand to get those 5a’s to play ball.
To be fair, we all know scheduling is a crap shoot to some degree. All you need is for KF to beat DC but lose to OS and you have the number 1 seed. If KF or DC finishes with 1 loss then they do deserve the higher seed based on their schedule...
Same thing with Dinwiddie in this quagmire known as region B. That Salem win puts them over the top. Without that they would not be a number 1 seed if everyone stays unbeaten.
I was also surprised LT beat up on Norcom like they did. Maybe they are righting the ship. Region A is starting to be very interesting with Heritage NN and Smithfield finishing with good records also
I was also surprised at LT beating Norcom, maybe they have turned the corner. With Heritage NN and Smithfield coming on strong the top 6 of 8 are capable in Region A of winning any game. Could be a very toug region.
I think Warhill is pretty solid to be #7 and right now Jamestown with 2 wins a decent possibility at #8 as the others at the bottom winless.
I think (and hope), the final order to be Lafayette, KF, DC, LT, Smithfield, Heritage NN, Warhill and Jamestown.
I think the top 4 all win their games and second round. Final KF Lafayette. Winner? Too soon to call. Play and injuries in first two rounds is critical.
How are ties in power points determined? For example, if two teams have the same amount of power points at the end of the regular season, how is seeding determined?
http://www.vhsl.org/download/61/general/1830/vhsl-handbook.pdf
See page 136.
I tried to copy and paste, but it was nearly impossible.
See page 136.
I tried to copy and paste, but it was nearly impossible.
Actually, what I wanted to say to your original question was, that the formula that I use is really simple. I wait for someone else to post it. LOL.
It's not that terribly complicated, but you do have to pay close attention to the details. A couple of years ago, I had it all figured out and posted what I "thought" were the accurate points and standings. Man, I argued with several people until someone very "graciously" told me that I could put my carefully calculated points somewhere that was anatomically painful. After seeing the error of my ways, I decided that I would put my decidedly poor math skills on the top shelf of my closet, and leave it to the experts.
It's not that terribly complicated, but you do have to pay close attention to the details. A couple of years ago, I had it all figured out and posted what I "thought" were the accurate points and standings. Man, I argued with several people until someone very "graciously" told me that I could put my carefully calculated points somewhere that was anatomically painful. After seeing the error of my ways, I decided that I would put my decidedly poor math skills on the top shelf of my closet, and leave it to the experts.
My understanding is all teams you play- win or lose you get bonus points on their final year end results- that is their total wins/ not fixed at time of play.
If Team A beats Team B, whether it is week 1 or Week 11, they get the same amount of points. When they play, Team A gets the points for Team B's classification (16 1a, 18 2a, etc) they then get 2 bonus points for each teams number of wins. So Team A beats Team B in week 2 and They are 4a and 2-0 At the time, they get 24 and 4 bonus points. If that team finishes 8-2, they get 24 and 16 bonus points
First you gotta have direct TV. A fifth of tequila, a dirty gym sock from 1973 a orginial Kenny's sauce burger, a dog with a half bit off ear named lucky!!!!
Another piece of inequity is some teams get a chance to play "up" more than others due to district play. Some 4a's have multiple 5a's and even 6a's while others have mostly 3's and 4's. If you are really lucky those 5's and 6's are bad and you get serious points.
Additionally if you are stuck with a good 6a team your chances of going undefeated lessen and you are starting behind the 8-ball every year in terms of play-off seeding.
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Agree- in Lafayette's Bay Rivers district there are 2- 2A's and 2- 3A's and no 5A or 6A. Makes for a crazy quilt of power points.
In the second round of the playoffs, assuming the top 4 win their opening round, does it line up as 1-4 and 2-3? I would assume so.
If that is the case, as a KF guy I'd be ok with not being that 1 seed. LT having the playoff experience that DC doesn't have. Plus a previous matchup with DC, KF would have an idea of what and where to attack.
Some good games rolling in in 4A and the Southeastern District, I think that's the only sure thing at this point. LOL.
If that is the case, as a KF guy I'd be ok with not being that 1 seed. LT having the playoff experience that DC doesn't have. Plus a previous matchup with DC, KF would have an idea of what and where to attack.
Some good games rolling in in 4A and the Southeastern District, I think that's the only sure thing at this point. LOL.
Your right, playing LT might be a little more difficult than DC if you have just played them a few weeks prior. But Lafayette does not play on any grass fields this year so I don't want our first try in the playoffs. I believe LT, DC and KF play on grass- am I right?
Yeah. All three on grass.
Playing on artificial turf may help KF out more though because of their offense. They go fast and are wide-open.
Highest seed host lowest remaining seed, and so forth. But hell, what do we know. Up to a week ago we thought that A hosted B automatically!!!
No. Each region is set up in a bracket. He is meaning that once there is region champions that highest between region a winner and Region B winner will host
You mean that changed? Who hosts between A and B now? Highest power points or what. Will VHSL ever make one policy and stick with it?
The VHSL notified all member schools about two weeks ago that the football semi-final host will be determined by power points.
As far as inner-regional pairings, the highest seed in each round host the lowest seed in each round. And on down the scale.
For A, B, and D, (Class 4), it will be 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, & 4 vs 5. Let's pretend that all three of theses regions go this way, 1, 3, 5, & 7 win the first round. Then 1 host 7, and 3 host 5. Let's say 7 & 5 win. Then 5 host 7 for the regional championship. Again, let's say 5 wins. (In A, B, and D).
Then, the "end of regular season" power points of the A regional champion are compared to the B regional champion, and whomever had the higher power points host the semi-final championship game.
***FYI, for their own peculiar reasoning, Region C takes only six to their playoffs, (with a very unlikely caveat).
So, if the Regions A/B semi was played today, after the aforementioned three playoff rounds, #5 Smithfield at 25.28571, would host #5 Midlothian at 22.71429.
My personal opinion, as I have previously stated, is that the higher seed should host. This is the most equitable method. This method of determining the host school however, has been tainted by the failure of the VHSL to make this pronouncement prior to the start of the season. But, it doesn't change the fact that it's still the most fair and equitable method.
Well, the higher power points is probably the best method though with scheduling still in old districts everyone plays a different set of classifications. It would truly be right if they instituted everyone to new districts that comprise only your own classification teams, that is all Group 4 teams. But the change for highest team at each stage to play the lowest team left is a welcome change. Eliminates a 2,3 or 4 seed getting the best draw based on an upset.
I think you are wrong here @DinwiddieProud. In 1st round of playoffs, if #8 beats #1, then 4/5 winner would host #8
Handbook, pg 137, 68-4-8, (2)
But, it's a little grey, the way it is worded. I'll stand by my assertion until proven wrong. I will add, the VHSL allows tremendous autonomy to the Regions and Classes.
But, it's a little grey, the way it is worded. I'll stand by my assertion until proven wrong. I will add, the VHSL allows tremendous autonomy to the Regions and Classes.
If it is different, then it is different than any year before. It has always been in a bracket style. I.e. 1 hosts 8, 2 hosts 7, etc. And then 1/8 plays 4/5, and 2/7 plays 3/6. Then those winners play. Then you have your regional champion