Can you guys start posting the actual examples of your fears?

DvlDog4WVU

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All of this hyperbolic outrage over every move. Can you start capturing a list of the action and the associated fear from it?

For instance: Devos is an example of (insert outraged fear)

I'm trying to keep straight what to be concerned about. You guys on the left have almost numbed me to it. Everything is wrong and every decisions is bad and fascism, Russians, war mongering, racism, etc.

I'm struggling to find any actual examples once I sift through the media's ********.
 

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bamaEER

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All of this hyperbolic outrage over every move. Can you start capturing a list of the action and the associated fear from it?

For instance: Devos is an example of (insert outraged fear)

I'm trying to keep straight what to be concerned about. You guys on the left have almost numbed me to it. Everything is wrong and every decisions is bad and fascism, Russians, war mongering, racism, etc.

I'm struggling to find any actual examples once I sift through the media's ********.
Pruitt and his attacking the EPA over anti-pollution standards including Hg emission standards having mondo human health implications.
 

bamaEER

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DeVos has no clue, period. She isn't an educator, knows nothing about basic principles of education, knows squat about important federal policies, like IDEA, etc. She is simply a hands off administrator who loves charter schools and she gave a lot of money to the GOP.
 

rog1187

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All of this hyperbolic outrage over every move. Can you start capturing a list of the action and the associated fear from it?

For instance: Devos is an example of (insert outraged fear)

I'm trying to keep straight what to be concerned about. You guys on the left have almost numbed me to it. Everything is wrong and every decisions is bad and fascism, Russians, war mongering, racism, etc.

I'm struggling to find any actual examples once I sift through the media's ********.
I hate to do it but I'm going to have to place WVMade on ignore...if he could keep all of his daily links to one post then it would be okay.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I hate to do it but I'm going to have to place WVMade on ignore...if he could keep all of his daily links to one post then it would be okay.
Dude is a nightmare. I've asked he and PATX to try and do just 1 running thread a day, but it aint happening.
 

bornaneer

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I hate to do it but I'm going to have to place WVMade on ignore...if he could keep all of his daily links to one post then it would be okay.
I actually enjoy the idiots posts. What more could you want to make one feel how lucky some of us are. We have a dynamic duo of nut-jobs in him and RPJ.......cherish them.
 

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I hate to do it but I'm going to have to place WVMade on ignore...if he could keep all of his daily links to one post then it would be okay.
Why would you want to do that? Personally, if I'm ever feeling down and out about myself, i.e., having a bad day, all I have to do is log onto this forum and read posts from either WVMade or Country, in order to feel great again. It also proves to me each and every day that nut jobs do indeed exists.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I actually enjoy the idiots posts. What more could you want to make one feel how lucky some of us are. We have a dynamic duo of nut-jobs in him and RPJ.......cherish them.
They can still keep the crazy to a single thread a day.
 
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Can you start capturing a list of the action and the associated fear from it?

Steve Bannon/Breitbart News having a role on the NSC. - 'nuf said.

Overall Foreign Policy - Will we be abandoned by our allies? When we need support, will we get it now?

De-regulation of everything - I'm all for a free-market, but don't want more Mercury in my food. No Bueno. I also want safe consumer products and food supply.

Domestic Environmental Policy - See above and add clean air and water.

I don't think any of the above is unreasonable and due to the uncertainty of the Administration's values towards these issues I have concern (fear).
 

Boomboom521

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DeVos: for me it's funding. Once we commit to the privatization of the school system, money will be the driving force. Although that's good for the commercial market, in education it's critical to focus even more resources and attention to the students that are struggling. It's essentially like spending more money to make products that don't sell (it just doesn't fit with traditional market philosophy). Charters are good, and maybe she helps in this regard. But two points about charters: 1) they do draw funding away from public schools (as well as the better students). 2) They are subject to closure more so than public, so politics can become a factor and pressures could be detrimental to student enrollment (meaning only students with high test scores would be admitted). Then what happens to the rest of the public school students. I want to shake things up, but with the focus on administration and pressure on superintendents.

Tillerson: this is just my bias. He's an oil man. Oil, imo, has had their hand in politics for far too long. I'm not completely sold on the Iraq War being about oil, but I wouldn't say it's ridiculous either. With Trump's ego and unpredictable behavior, State was the most crucial position imo. I'm just not sure he has the diplomatic skills to counter Trumps brash personality. Deal maker? Sure, but there is a nuance to diplomacy in government that is not needed in business.

Pruitt: this is a very upsetting pick for me. It basically says that the EPA is pointless. Trump is pro business, ok fine, but we've seen what no EPA oversight can do to our air and water quality. Not only do we not want to return to the pollution of the past, but we should be focused on eradicating health problems going forward. Cancer causing carcinogens are everywhere. We need a intense focus on protecting the public from chemicals. Where does that protection come from if not the EPA?
My top three upset picks.
 

TarHeelEer

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DeVos: for me it's funding. Once we commit to the privatization of the school system, money will be the driving force. Although that's good for the commercial market, in education it's critical to focus even more resources and attention to the students that are struggling. It's essentially like spending more money to make products that don't sell (it just doesn't fit with traditional market philosophy). Charters are good, and maybe she helps in this regard. But two points about charters: 1) they do draw funding away from public schools (as well as the better students). 2) They are subject to closure more so than public, so politics can become a factor and pressures could be detrimental to student enrollment (meaning only students with high test scores would be admitted). Then what happens to the rest of the public school students. I want to shake things up, but with the focus on administration and pressure on superintendents.

Tillerson: this is just my bias. He's an oil man. Oil, imo, has had their hand in politics for far too long. I'm not completely sold on the Iraq War being about oil, but I wouldn't say it's ridiculous either. With Trump's ego and unpredictable behavior, State was the most crucial position imo. I'm just not sure he has the diplomatic skills to counter Trumps brash personality. Deal maker? Sure, but there is a nuance to diplomacy in government that is not needed in business.

Pruitt: this is a very upsetting pick for me. It basically says that the EPA is pointless. Trump is pro business, ok fine, but we've seen what no EPA oversight can do to our air and water quality. Not only do we not want to return to the pollution of the past, but we should be focused on eradicating health problems going forward. Cancer causing carcinogens are everywhere. We need a intense focus on protecting the public from chemicals. Where does that protection come from if not the EPA?
My top three upset picks.

I must've misread. I didn't read Putin anywhere in this.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Pruitt and his attacking the EPA over anti-pollution standards including Hg emission standards having mondo human health implications.
So that's just a change in political philosophy and ideology. How is that an example of fascism or whatever the hell else you all are lobbing accusations about? I'm not going to debate the merits of the EPA and Climate change. I'm honestly not informed enough to speak on it.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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DeVos has no clue, period. She isn't an educator, knows nothing about basic principles of education, knows squat about important federal policies, like IDEA, etc. She is simply a hands off administrator who loves charter schools and she gave a lot of money to the GOP.
Ok, again, this is a change in political ideology. Again, this can be debated, but why the hyperbolic outrage? Let the Senate do it's job.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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DeVos: for me it's funding. Once we commit to the privatization of the school system, money will be the driving force. Although that's good for the commercial market, in education it's critical to focus even more resources and attention to the students that are struggling. It's essentially like spending more money to make products that don't sell (it just doesn't fit with traditional market philosophy). Charters are good, and maybe she helps in this regard. But two points about charters: 1) they do draw funding away from public schools (as well as the better students). 2) They are subject to closure more so than public, so politics can become a factor and pressures could be detrimental to student enrollment (meaning only students with high test scores would be admitted). Then what happens to the rest of the public school students. I want to shake things up, but with the focus on administration and pressure on superintendents.

Tillerson: this is just my bias. He's an oil man. Oil, imo, has had their hand in politics for far too long. I'm not completely sold on the Iraq War being about oil, but I wouldn't say it's ridiculous either. With Trump's ego and unpredictable behavior, State was the most crucial position imo. I'm just not sure he has the diplomatic skills to counter Trumps brash personality. Deal maker? Sure, but there is a nuance to diplomacy in government that is not needed in business.

Pruitt: this is a very upsetting pick for me. It basically says that the EPA is pointless. Trump is pro business, ok fine, but we've seen what no EPA oversight can do to our air and water quality. Not only do we not want to return to the pollution of the past, but we should be focused on eradicating health problems going forward. Cancer causing carcinogens are everywhere. We need a intense focus on protecting the public from chemicals. Where does that protection come from if not the EPA?
My top three upset picks.
Not seeing any fascism here or as Whoopi put it, Taliban like activity.

These are just changes to the prevalent ideology and can be debated.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Steve Bannon/Breitbart News having a role on the NSC. - 'nuf said.

Overall Foreign Policy - Will we be abandoned by our allies? When we need support, will we get it now?

De-regulation of everything - I'm all for a free-market, but don't want more Mercury in my food. No Bueno. I also want safe consumer products and food supply.

Domestic Environmental Policy - See above and add clean air and water.

I don't think any of the above is unreasonable and due to the uncertainty of the Administration's values towards these issues I have concern (fear).
All rational concerns that can be debated. No issue with the post. Where are the examples of fascism and the other hyperbolic outraged accusations?
 

bamaEER

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So that's just a change in political philosophy and ideology. How is that an example of fascism or whatever the hell else you all are lobbing accusations about? I'm not going to debate the merits of the EPA and Climate change. I'm honestly not informed enough to speak on it.
I have no idea about the fascism claims, but I can say this choice demonstrates an important point about Biff's mindset on the environment. He's picking someone to dismantle the EPA, not lead it.
 
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These are just changes to the prevalent ideology and can be debated.
All rational concerns that can be debated. No issue with the post. Where are the examples of fascism and the other hyperbolic outraged accusations?
Don't believe I've made any statements to that, you may have me confused with another poster.

We can debate, that's cool. But the reality is that if I disagree on a change in ideology my only recourse would be to make my feelings known to my elected representatives, who at this point may or may not feel I am warranted in my request.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I have no idea about the fascism claims, but I can say this choice demonstrates an important point about Biff's mindset on the environment. He's picking someone to dismantle the EPA, not lead it.
And a good many people are in somewhat agreement with that decision. I personally think the EPA overextended it's mandate and became a political arm for the previous administration's desires to change the energy dynamic within the country.

A couple of things I have seen listed, I agree with in regards to the EPA. For instance, I think if a regulation they put in place is going to have a dramatic impact on economic issues, it should come with a CBA and be debated in the halls of Congress.
 

Boomboom521

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Not seeing any fascism here or as Whoopi put it, Taliban like activity.

These are just changes to the prevalent ideology and can be debated.
I think it's largely overstated. The "war with the media" scares me the most. Controlling the media and creating a domestic enemy are strategies in facist climbs to power. Putin was able to establish a new facist - democratic hybrid in Russia. He used the domestic enemy of anti-religious / anti-state rebels to create public support for controlling media outlets and free speech. I think the attack of "liberal" influence is reflective of that to a certain degree. It concerns me.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/...***-riot.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Don't believe I've made any statements to that, you may have me confused with another poster.

We can debate, that's cool. But the reality is that if I disagree on a change in ideology my only recourse would be to make my feelings known to my elected representatives, who at this point may or may not feel I am warranted in my request.
This wasn't necessarily directed at you or the sane posters on the board. I'm trying to understand if those accusations have any basis or are grounded in any facts. Obviously, detractors of his ideology will be more critical and in some cases more educated on specific issues to be able to debate. I'm trying to understand where the leftist outrage claims of racism, fascism, etc. are actually stemming from. Nothing I have seen be executed thus far qualifies for any of the hyperbolic outrage and unfounded accusations. It's certainly not helping. It's akin to the Muslim claims about Obama which were equally ridiculous.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Don't believe I've made any statements to that, you may have me confused with another poster.

We can debate, that's cool. But the reality is that if I disagree on a change in ideology my only recourse would be to make my feelings known to my elected representatives, who at this point may or may not feel I am warranted in my request.
This wasn't necessarily directed at you or the sane posters on the board. I'm trying to understand if those accusations have any basis or are grounded in any facts. Obviously, detractors of his ideology will be more critical and in some cases more educated on specific issues to be able to debate. I'm trying to understand where the leftist outrage claims of racism, fascism, etc. are actually stemming from. Nothing I have seen be executed thus far qualifies for any of the hyperbolic outrage and unfounded accusations. It's certainly not helping. It's akin to the Muslim claims about Obama which were equally ridiculous.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I think it's largely overstated. The "war with the media" scares me the most. Controlling the media and creating a domestic enemy are strategies in facist climbs to power. Putin was able to establish a new facist - democratic hybrid in Russia. He used the domestic enemy of anti-religious / anti-state rebels to create public support for controlling media outlets and free speech. I think the attack of "liberal" influence is reflective of that to a certain degree. It concerns me.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/...***-riot.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
I have no issue with what the media is covering, but I do have issue with how it's covered. It's completely dishonest. CNN last night said Milo was a White Supremacist as they attempted to justify the Berkeley stuff. That's an outright lie they had to walk back. There isn't a question that Fox is in the tank for the right. But I am seeing less and less objectivity on normally centrist media outlets and they are slipping into leftist propaganda outlets. I mean, take Gorsuch for instance. He is about as good of a pick someone on the left could hope for to be nominated, yet the prevailing coverage has been that he is going to snap us back into the dark ages. It's like the left is slipping into the realm of a leftist Tea Party (post religious hijacking, I agreed in it's infancy, but they lost me).
 
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This wasn't necessarily directed at you or the sane posters on the board. I'm trying to understand if those accusations have any basis or are grounded in any facts. Obviously, detractors of his ideology will be more critical and in some cases more educated on specific issues to be able to debate. I'm trying to understand where the leftist outrage claims of racism, fascism, etc. are actually stemming from. Nothing I have seen be executed thus far qualifies for any of the hyperbolic outrage and unfounded accusations. It's certainly not helping. It's akin to the Muslim claims about Obama which were equally ridiculous.

It is likely that the term is incorrectly used, but DJT may "grow" into it; that may be the concern. I could see how there may be a fear of association in that regard.

http://www.ibtimes.com/what-fascism...rump-insult-amid-merriam-webster-word-2453792

After President-elect Donald Trump's election victory, fascism has become the fourth-most-searched word in the history of the Merriam-Webster dictionary’s website and it soon could be declared its word of the year. The unusual interest in the political term comes after many critics, from celebrities to activists, have labeled the next president a fascist for his sweeping statements against Muslims, Mexicans, immigrants and women.

“'Fascism' is still our #1 lookup,” Merriam Webster tweeted Tuesday. “There's still time to look something else up.”

So what exactly is fascism? Merriam-Webster defines it as: "1 A political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. 2 A tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control."

Fascism isn't new to the American political landscape. It was the No. 3 most looked-up word in 2015.

Trump has called women ugly and fat, vowed to deport undocumented immigrants and ban Muslims and called Mexicans rapists. But some historians have warned that linking Trump to fascism might be a dangerous distraction.

“The problem with fascism is that it’s a sort of ‘boo’ word,” Richard Bosworth, a professor of history at Oxford and award-winning biographer of Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, told the Guardian. “If you tag somebody with it, then on the one hand you’re saying that person is going to murder six million Jews and invade Russia, and on the other hand you feel rather good about using the term and so you don’t engage in proper analysis.” The result, Bosworth said, is you don't “work out more clearly what Trump stands for, and what the contemporary United States stands for.”
 

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And a good many people are in somewhat agreement with that decision. I personally think the EPA overextended it's mandate and became a political arm for the previous administration's desires to change the energy dynamic within the country.

A couple of things I have seen listed, I agree with in regards to the EPA. For instance, I think if a regulation they put in place is going to have a dramatic impact on economic issues, it should come with a CBA and be debated in the halls of Congress.
Part of my concern with having Congress vote on some of that stuff is that it further politicizes the issue. I'm not saying that to defend everything the EPA did or does. I also think they overstepped reasonable bounds at times. I think legal challenges might be a better recourse than giving that power to Congress. That way you still have checks. This is probably driven by my opinion of the ineffectiveness of Congress to do what is logical. See zika funding for part of my reason for that concern.

I was really tempted to let autocorrect change zika to Zima in the paragraph above.
 

bamaEER

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And a good many people are in somewhat agreement with that decision. I personally think the EPA overextended it's mandate and became a political arm for the previous administration's desires to change the energy dynamic within the country.

A couple of things I have seen listed, I agree with in regards to the EPA. For instance, I think if a regulation they put in place is going to have a dramatic impact on economic issues, it should come with a CBA and be debated in the halls of Congress.
Again I fall back on Scott Pruitt who sued the EPA over Hg emission standards which have mondo human health implications. These standards weren't just made up, but were based on tons of, you guessed it, peer-reviewed science. And of course, he lost, but now the fox was picked to run the hen house.
 

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All of this hyperbolic outrage over every move. Can you start capturing a list of the action and the associated fear from it?

For instance: Devos is an example of (insert outraged fear)

I'm trying to keep straight what to be concerned about. You guys on the left have almost numbed me to it. Everything is wrong and every decisions is bad and fascism, Russians, war mongering, racism, etc.

I'm struggling to find any actual examples once I sift through the media's ********.

That my wife will give me my bucket list of a threesome. She will drug me, I will wake up and it's two guys in bed with me and they will say this is my threesome.
 
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Mntneer

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I hate to do it but I'm going to have to place WVMade on ignore...if he could keep all of his daily links to one post then it would be okay.

I "ignored" that dumb sonnabitch a long time ago. First person I've ever had to do that with.