Cards lose recruiting Coordinator too Ga
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What a mess. Just a total blah feeling around UofL football right now.
I try to stay positive but it feels like we're getting kicked in the gut every day.
I agree I’m beginning to question whether Satts the right coach. One of the pluses of hiring Satt was the fact his assistant coaches hung around. However there’s been anything but stability with the staff and we’re only going into his third year.
Trying to stay positive, but it’s getting tough.
I'm starting to get concerned about the size of our recruiting class. I know it's still early, but there aren't too many schools with that small of a commit list at this stage. It's hard to pretend the SC thing isn't a factor. I hope I'm wrong.
Really hadn't heard about this. I know the feeling though. Even though he wasn't the recruiting coordinator the Cats lost a great recruiter to Michigan.
Seems mighty odd times for these coaches to be jumping. I'm not sure but whoever he HAS recruited likely wont find spots in Georgia this year.
Seems mighty odd times for these coaches to be jumping. I'm not sure but whoever he HAS recruited likely wont find spots in Georgia this year.
It is pretty simple all coaches are mercenaries. Follow the money. The SEC has more than anyone. There is no loyalty when it comes to winning and $$$. He is being paid more at a program that offers a better opportunity to win.
I have to agree that the SC deal is a factor and the fact we’ve lost coaches maybe Satts loyalty to our program is fake juice. I have a feeling Vince better have a current list of possible replacements.
Kinda wonder if he didnt bite off more than he could chew coming to you guys...he got two top 10 classes at Florida....which I truly believe any of us could do when you consider weather, location, national recognition. Let's be honest, louisville would be a harder job....
Hes going back into the same scenario at Georgia.
If he were to somehow fail there it would be a shock.
Hes going back into the same scenario at Georgia.
If he were to somehow fail there it would be a shock.
My personal feeling about our Fb as a whole. Some will take offense and not agree but like i said imop. It will never matter who the coach is Louisville Fb will never be a consistent player in CFB . Coaches see us as a stepping stone program always has been that way. And will never change. Expect Coaches to have that wandering eye and too move on like a revolving door. We are a easy school to poach from. And when these things happen everyone wants to point fingers at the HC or the school . It's the program as a whole we just are not considered a major football school amongst the cfb landscape. . One caveat i will say this cant no one complain about the assists that seem to be hired by the Hc. Because they are always poached constantly.
Lol. He was here 4 months how could anyone expect him to equal what he did at UF in four months. If UGA thought he was over his head here they wouldn’t have hired him.
Yeah well the same thing can be said about 85-90% of the programs. I heard the same crap before we went into to BE and then here we are in the ACC hearing the same thing. Our program is a lot of work right now until we get are feet under us in the ACC and because the way Bobby left the program. Not to mention Satt boneheaded move with USCjr. We went through the same growing pains in the BE. Will recruiting always be a challenge….yes because we’re not in a hot bed for recruiting. But here’s a news flash if it wasn’t for the success of our FB program we wouldn’t be in the ACC. Those bigger FB programs will always have the ability to poach as we do with BB. But who knows what the future holds. Twenty to 30 years ago 9 out of 10 fans would have said we would never be in the ACC. So coaches leave every 4-5 years and they leave us in good shape who cares. And one day a coach may stay. Stranger things have happened.
Loyalty?
Fake juice?
The only “successful” coach we’ve ever had who didn’t run off after the first taste of success was Schnellenberger.
And U of L basically RAN HIM OFF for the benefit of BB.
We talk of the “curse” on coaches who leave.
Maybe….the curse is on us. We had a shot at greatness. CHS was building a strong, NATIONAL program.
And we pi$$ed it away for CUSA Basketball. Small thinking for FB.
Now we can’t keep a coach, or get top players, and are just one of 40-45 schools chasing the top 20.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
Fake juice?
The only “successful” coach we’ve ever had who didn’t run off after the first taste of success was Schnellenberger.
And U of L basically RAN HIM OFF for the benefit of BB.
We talk of the “curse” on coaches who leave.
Maybe….the curse is on us. We had a shot at greatness. CHS was building a strong, NATIONAL program.
And we pi$$ed it away for CUSA Basketball. Small thinking for FB.
Now we can’t keep a coach, or get top players, and are just one of 40-45 schools chasing the top 20.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
This does bother me a bit because I'm not getting that family feel that you need to have in a staff. Say what you want about Charlie and his loyalty, but he had his guys and the players loved them. It brought recruits in and built a great culture.
Ledford and Ponce were HUGE parts of fixing the offense and culture the last few years. The offensive line was a MESS and he stabilized it. Ponce seemed to have a good rep in the locker room and history with Satt. Losing those guys into year 3 won't be easy considering Dez, Hawkins, and Tutu are all being replaced too. Scott having to call plays isn't ideal either, you'd rather a HC have an OC to run things.
I do think culture isn't built overnight and CSS can get it right, but this offseason of change after the step back last season isn't ideal. I still believe that we can't judge CSS until the 2022 & 2023 seasons when he has his roster. But, if we do keep losing and more staff shakeups, it won't be good for recruiting and we may know the ceiling of CSS sooner.
Ledford and Ponce were HUGE parts of fixing the offense and culture the last few years. The offensive line was a MESS and he stabilized it. Ponce seemed to have a good rep in the locker room and history with Satt. Losing those guys into year 3 won't be easy considering Dez, Hawkins, and Tutu are all being replaced too. Scott having to call plays isn't ideal either, you'd rather a HC have an OC to run things.
I do think culture isn't built overnight and CSS can get it right, but this offseason of change after the step back last season isn't ideal. I still believe that we can't judge CSS until the 2022 & 2023 seasons when he has his roster. But, if we do keep losing and more staff shakeups, it won't be good for recruiting and we may know the ceiling of CSS sooner.
Strong proved a lot of folks wrong, and the Sugar Bowl win demonstrates what UL can accomplish, even with a HC who as it turns out, was incapable of sustaining any success since he left.
Satterfield is now reaping the consequences of having pursued another job; as it is no coincidence that so many have left this program since that event, and witnessing our 2021 recruiting running well behind other schools.
Scott can apologize all day long, but “his actions speak louder than words“, and he has never shared why he thought South Carolina was a better job that UL. Most will continue to interpret his dalliance as evidence that he believed that even a struggling SEC FB school is better place than UL. I do not believe it, but perception become the reality for many.
Satterfield is now reaping the consequences of having pursued another job; as it is no coincidence that so many have left this program since that event, and witnessing our 2021 recruiting running well behind other schools.
Scott can apologize all day long, but “his actions speak louder than words“, and he has never shared why he thought South Carolina was a better job that UL. Most will continue to interpret his dalliance as evidence that he believed that even a struggling SEC FB school is better place than UL. I do not believe it, but perception become the reality for many.
This is their careers. Anyone here would leave any job they had, even one they liked, after 4 months if someone else called offering double your salary. This is easy, it sucks for us but in reality it's a career decision. He was good for us for 4 months now we go steal someone else from another school
233 I’m aware that you are a successful businessman in your own right. And I’m pretty sure that in those many years that you’ve had a high ranking employee have discussions with another potential employer. Plus perhaps Scott’s return to UofL is an admission that UofL is indeed a better place than USCjr. Let’s think about that. At the end of the day perhaps much too much was made over these USCjr discussions. As to whether UofL has the money to match an SEC’s offer just look at our baseball program and the money that is paid to our coach. Football is the driving force behind the financial success of SEC schools and I think we’ll see UofL take huge steps back in that regard this upcoming fall.
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Charlie turning down Tennessee after they made a strong push was just so huge. He gave us one more good year that added juice to the program that helped him keep another strong class of recruits and development. He didn't leave us for just any program, he left for Texas. That's what it took to get him to leave.
That's why Bobby's teams flame out. There's no long-term planning or confidence. He had the guys he wanted for 3-4 years, but when you flirt constantly with other jobs and have that reputation it kills a long-term build. Coaches and recruits don't feel confident. Young players aren't sure what's next.
Agree Lefors, I was a huge fan of Charlie, as he had something very special going here at UL. Strong’s relationship with the kids was critical to the success at an Urban school like Louisville.
Good point and perspective GOCDS; I want to believe your position on Scott, I just hope the players, the recruits and his staff believe it.
Good point and perspective GOCDS; I want to believe your position on Scott, I just hope the players, the recruits and his staff believe it.
Rollem I generally like what you have to say, but HS left because he wasn’t getting to call all of the shots for the athletic department. Let’s remember that he left for Oklahoma that did not have a strong basketball program. Basketball was paying the bills here at UofL and he refused to acknowledge that fact. I’m a football lover and that goes for HS as well. I was very pissed at HS because he allowed his ego to get in the way of good decision making. Plus his leaving left us with a football coach that couldn’t coach a kitten to a bowl of milk. The fact remains that we survived his leaving but did struggle to keep good coaches. Personally I believe that CSS is our best shot in a long time at building a winning football tradition.
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Totally agree with this.
The rest doesn’t matter. Sometimes things happen because they have to for survival.
I just think that in one respect we were, and still are to a degree, a BB school. It made us. It has paid the freight.
And coaches know it. In the last 70 years we’ve had five BB coaches to 13 FB. That shows who the favorite “child” is. That’s why they use us to advance.
Nobodies fault really. Now we’re ACC, a BB conference, with guaranteed FB income. Winning will just be gravy…we’ll get paid regardless. There is no pressure to win except from us, and who are we today? TV doesn’t care if we show up. In fact they hope we won’t come to the stadium.
If we don’t? We still have good income. And even you have said MONEY is all college athletics is about anymore.
So I hope CSS wins and wins big here. Then STAYS here and stops the “stepping stone, BB school” label.
until then I expect a revolving door. It they win they leave. If they don’t we fire them.
Gotta break that.
Difficult being a football first fan at a predominantly basketball first school.
I guess Bear Bryant can testify to that.
There are true 'both sports' fans....
If you want to see indications, go to a teams forum page and see where the most posts are.
No sin, no blame....just is what is.
I guess Bear Bryant can testify to that.
There are true 'both sports' fans....
If you want to see indications, go to a teams forum page and see where the most posts are.
No sin, no blame....just is what is.
I remember right after BK and ND went down in flames against Alabama BK was being interviewed by an NFL team a couple days later. You need to look past stuff like that because coaches do bone head things too. BK stayed and look were ND is today. Enjoy your coach while he's there and move on when he leaves. I know your pain and frustration.
There's a difference between ND's Coach looking at a NFL job after leading his program for 10+ years and multiple playoff appearances versus CSS doing it to our program after only 2 years and a BAD 2020 season. ND can go out and get a big time name and recruits will still roll into their campus, we don't have that luxury. Our depth and program aren't great and him leaving would sink us at this moment considering the roster isn't very talented, we aren't a powerhouse, and we're in an awful recruiting area.
If CSS was interviewing with a NFL team or heck Clemson, Miami, FSU, or even Auburn I wouldn't have minded, but SC after the year we had is not a good look. SC is a better program than ours, but they aren't a powerhouse and it's not a huge step up.
I totally agree. Not by along shot are they a better program. Hell, I think even the Cats have beaten them something like 6 or 7 straight years. They are bad.
The above incident happen in year three. ND isn't use to coaches leaving after such a short period of time unless they are shown the door. You are confusing ND's 2012 season with this past game against Alabama. we were not thrilled with BK after that butt kicking and him going off for a job interview. I'm glad he stayed now but back then I wanted his scalp.
They had a hellavua run during Spurrier era 2005-2015 a couple 11 win seasons long bowl streak and an Sec east title. We have had FB success somewhat as far as bowls and accolades . Problem is and it is what is from a image standpoint they play in the SEC and that says alot no matter how you spin it. So when people outside of our fan base compare the two . They are automatically are assumed to be the better program. And this holds true to coaches perception is reality.
On paper i say we are about as equal a program as you can get except they SEC
SC Bowl record 9-14 overall 615-594-44 1st year 1892
UL 11-11-1 overall 522-473-17 1st yea 1912
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As an SEC fan the South Carolina job would be at very best a sideways move for coach Satterfield....especially with Clemson now THE team in state as far as recruiting.
As a lifelong resident of the state of Kentucky I think it would be a step back.
As a lifelong resident of the state of Kentucky I think it would be a step back.
I look at it as they have more money and a bigger fan base. They’re in a way better recruiting area than we are right now.
Now with our resources and a weaker schedule, the Louisville job can be much less stressful.
We really can’t compare all-time records or bowl results, because they’ve played a much tougher slate of games than us historically.
Their Spurrier years were better than any run we’ve ever had and show that they have a very high ceiling. Problem? They’ll never get past Georgia/Florida in their own division and have to compete with Clemson in their own state.
Better program, but tougher road to success. You aren’t going there to win a title. So if you’re leaving UofL, you probably go to a place you can win a title.
USCjr is, in fact, in the best football conference in the country. But that’s their bad luck. 
Even with Spurrier they were mediocre in football with a couple of good years. They have to do exactly the same thing we do in regards to football recruiting - leave the state.
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Even with Spurrier they were mediocre in football with a couple of good years. They have to do exactly the same thing we do in regards to football recruiting - leave the state.GO CARDS!!!
South Carolina job, as the poster above said, is not a very good one right now. They're pretty boxed in recruiting wise. You have Dabo in-state, Mack Brown at North Carolina and Kirby at UGA. So, yeah, you get a SEC job, money, and a stadium. But their fans have unrealistic expectations given their history - thanks mainly to Spurrier's stint there. Really is a tough one.
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"But their fans have unrealistic expectations given their history"
Man i too take a swig of Woodford on this one. I love my U of L Cards however that statement should be written on our gravestone. WE got fans stating and expecting our program should be competing with Clemson every year . We are constantly rebuilding this fb program every 3 or so years due to coaching changes.
Man i too take a swig of Woodford on this one. I love my U of L Cards however that statement should be written on our gravestone. WE got fans stating and expecting our program should be competing with Clemson every year . We are constantly rebuilding this fb program every 3 or so years due to coaching changes.
lol Woodford Reserve is my favorite. I would think you all have more of a history in football than South Carolina?
Realistically, it takes a minimum of four or five classes to turn over a roster. That's if you hit it out of the park those first few years. Portal might help, but if not, probably a seven to eight year rebuild. About where VaTech is right now. Either way, you're right, at some point, you have to have some semblance of stability, and continuity with your coaching staff. Personally, had my doubts about Satterfield being able to recruit high level talent. But he is a good evaluator. And I would take the Louisville job over Beamer's at South Carolina, all day, every day.
Realistically, it takes a minimum of four or five classes to turn over a roster. That's if you hit it out of the park those first few years. Portal might help, but if not, probably a seven to eight year rebuild. About where VaTech is right now. Either way, you're right, at some point, you have to have some semblance of stability, and continuity with your coaching staff. Personally, had my doubts about Satterfield being able to recruit high level talent. But he is a good evaluator. And I would take the Louisville job over Beamer's at South Carolina, all day, every day.
Stability and continuity is the key . Especially with programs like U of L SC etc. Every program needs it but the top tier programs can get away with bad hires and down years because they eventually are able to easily recruit their way out faster. Florida comes too mind they had some bad hires and a few bad years but . Mullen seems to have them right back on track .