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You are incorrect. You fixated on placement to divert away from the fairness of males competing against females is acceptable. Riley’s fight was for fairness in women’s sports.
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You are incorrect. You fixated on placement to divert away from the fairness of males competing against females is acceptable. Riley’s fight was for fairness in women’s sports.
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You never agreed with the SPS majority. Instead, you argued that Riley’s fight was a nonissue since she and the male tied (which in and of itself is ridiculous).
The agreement I am referring to is that I also don't think transgirls or transwomen should play in girl's HS sports or women's college sports.
I have not argued that Riley's fight is a non-issue.
I have argued that her fame has significantly grown as a result of the often incorrectly claimed race result. And have argued that those who knowingly push that lie should be ashamed.
Riley wouldn't be nearly as known as she is, if her claim to fame was stated honestly from the start.
If she wants to push for protecting HS girls and College womens sports from trans inclusion, OK then.
Riley Gaines's activism has almost nothing to do with sports, outside of her origin story (that isn't even true) of having lost a championship because she finished second to a transgender athlete.
Instead, Gaines has spent 4 years criss-crossing the country advocating for broad, draconian anti-LGBT laws, such as banning gender-affirming care (usually for teenagers, but some states have also discussed banning it for adults), making it difficult or impossible for transgender people to update their legal documents/passports/etc., making it illegal for health insurance companies to cover transgender medicine, making it illegal for schools to recognize teenagers' transitions even if the parents give permission, making it legal for businesses to deny services to customers who are LGBT, etc., as well as campaigning (and rubbing up with) Trump in 2024. She's openly admitted that her real crusade is against the idea of transgender people in general and the sports thing was just an angle to get people thinking about it.
I realize that many posters here will agree with her on all of these issues, but you have to at least see why people who support L, G, B, and T equality (talking about equality in life, not sports) aren't going to think highly of her. The fact that she's spent 4 years now enriching herself (now a multi-millionaire) and playing the professional victim card just isn't a good look, especially when the NCAA banned transwomen from competing in swimming in 2022 (aligning it with FINA's international rules), a few weeks after Thomas swam in the championships.
Did Gaines have a fair point about swimming? Yes, it's pretty obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of biology that someone who went through male puberty is going to have an advantage over others who went through female puberty. The NCAA made a silly decision by crafting its own policy rather than using FINA's and got a silly result. It's no different than the College Football Playoff creating a silly rule that allowed both James Madison and Tulane to compete in the playoffs while Notre Dame sat at home. I think most every poster here agrees that the selection process was dumb, but imagine if Notre Dame players spent the next 4 years painting themselves as perpetual victims, advocating for a host of controversial, hot-button laws that have nothing to do with football, and going on a partisan campaign tour with Gavin Newsom - I think there would be millions of Americans who probably agreed with them over their sports dispute suddenly finding them not very sympathetic anymore.
Instead, Gaines has spent 4 years criss-crossing the country advocating for broad, draconian anti-LGBT laws, such as banning gender-affirming care (usually for teenagers, but some states have also discussed banning it for adults), making it difficult or impossible for transgender people to update their legal documents/passports/etc., making it illegal for health insurance companies to cover transgender medicine, making it illegal for schools to recognize teenagers' transitions even if the parents give permission, making it legal for businesses to deny services to customers who are LGBT, etc., as well as campaigning (and rubbing up with) Trump in 2024. She's openly admitted that her real crusade is against the idea of transgender people in general and the sports thing was just an angle to get people thinking about it.
I realize that many posters here will agree with her on all of these issues, but you have to at least see why people who support L, G, B, and T equality (talking about equality in life, not sports) aren't going to think highly of her. The fact that she's spent 4 years now enriching herself (now a multi-millionaire) and playing the professional victim card just isn't a good look, especially when the NCAA banned transwomen from competing in swimming in 2022 (aligning it with FINA's international rules), a few weeks after Thomas swam in the championships.
Did Gaines have a fair point about swimming? Yes, it's pretty obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of biology that someone who went through male puberty is going to have an advantage over others who went through female puberty. The NCAA made a silly decision by crafting its own policy rather than using FINA's and got a silly result. It's no different than the College Football Playoff creating a silly rule that allowed both James Madison and Tulane to compete in the playoffs while Notre Dame sat at home. I think most every poster here agrees that the selection process was dumb, but imagine if Notre Dame players spent the next 4 years painting themselves as perpetual victims, advocating for a host of controversial, hot-button laws that have nothing to do with football, and going on a partisan campaign tour with Gavin Newsom - I think there would be millions of Americans who probably agreed with them over their sports dispute suddenly finding them not very sympathetic anymore.
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“Gender affirming care”, aka mind 17’ing kids until they commit suicide.
Look if someone wants to wear a dress who really gives a ****.
Stop killing people over oil and stop financially bankrupting people who have the audicity to get physically ill in this country.
Somehow women's sports and whether some dude wears a dress are more important to people. I do not understand it.
I agree. It is hilarious that even when you agree, you manage to do it in such a way that makes the people you are agreeing with dislike you. It's quite the talent.
Odd take.
That term is wide ranging in meaning. It often means respecting one's identity, helping them with support and education if needed, and other social or psychological support.
It can sometimes also include medication and/or surgery.
Calling it 'mind 17ing kids until they commit suicide' is misrepresenting the actual well documented major reasons for self harm.
Two that started attending as soon as they were old enough to leave the house and both are still active members as adults. Nice attempt at deflection, though.
Also, you misspelled “dubmass” you dubmass.
1. My whole point is that this stupid women's sports argument is deflecting from bigger issues. You somehow made that point in reverse. Yes I deflected from it - because why the **** would someone care about women's sports more than kids getting raped, children dying in wars over oil, health insurance companies bankrupting america, and megacorps killing the nuclear family's ambition to own a white picket fence home. Brother it is a sport. End of the day it's a game and you get a hunk of metal. This country's god isn't God. It's sports.
2. Not sure what point you're making about me spelling dumbass as dumbass not dubmass. Maybe that's an old SPS rule I'm forgetting. Oh well
If sex sports performance differences weren't a fact, there would be women playing in the NBA or MLB or NFL right now. They would be dominating in NASCAR or Golf or Darts or Billiards. When a single female breaks a 4 minute mile, then we can talk.
Also you are aware the transgender thing works both ways. I just am not aware of a transgender man winning in their sport.
Women's sports were setup so women had a place to compete fairly. If men are allowed in, then it's no longer fair. Of course we could save a bunch of money not having to have girls teams.
Also you are aware the transgender thing works both ways. I just am not aware of a transgender man winning in their sport.
Women's sports were setup so women had a place to compete fairly. If men are allowed in, then it's no longer fair. Of course we could save a bunch of money not having to have girls teams.
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One More thing to set Glfer straight. Riley Gaines did NOT lose to Lia Thomas. They tied for 5th place but since they didn't have 2 fifth place trophies they politically decided gave the fifth place trophy to the dude to virtue signal how inclusive they were.
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‘’Listen to interviews with the former SEAL that admits he was “love bombed” into transitioning. If professionals can “mind 17” a SEAL into thinking this, imagine what they can do to kids who are still finding their way in the world.
But this isn’t just allowing confused boys and girls dress in the opposite sex’s clothing. This is mutilation and hormone disruptions that are permanent. The grown adults in the room who wouldn’t allow kids to get tattoos, drink, or operate machinery at their young age feel that a child CAN decide that they are a different sex. There are kids who were never raised in their biological sex.
Fortunately, the now adults who were coerced into transitioning are now coming out about how manipulating those people were and how their lives are now ruined because of the puberty blockers and hormones that were put in their bodies.
If an adult wants to mutilate their bodies so be it. But they shouldn’t be mad when the rest of the world still sees them as the mentally deranged person that they are.
Not really sure how this is setting me straight - I said they tied multiple times.
And yep, Thomas had the 5th trophy and Gaines had ane equally sized 6th place trophy s a placeholder because they didn't have a duplicate on hand, so one was then sent to her.
That doesn't change anything I've posted.
The narrative pushed by so many for years was that Thomas beat Gaines and robbed her of winning. The narrative was that Thomas kept Gaines from succeeding and 'stole' success.
Gaines finished 5th and behind 4 biologically female swimmers. That is the truth.
They did not let her in the picture. They asked her to step aside in the photo op and let Lia be in the photo. So they did steal her honor for the sake of a dude.
Because of that people were so mad they sided with a regime that has us invading greenland.
Since this isn’t all figured out yet, let’s stop trying to set everyone straight and instead be opinion-affirming
What ridiculous comment. I feel dumber for having read it. Its not all about safety. Its about the physical difference in competitors. Men have obvious advantages in virtually every sport regardless if they suffer from gender dismorphia or other mental issues.
They shared the 5th place podium. The 5 is clearly shown below.
If there are other pictures where Gaines isn't included, that can easily be explained by pointing to other pictures where Thomas and other finishers aren't pictured.
Based on Getty images, hundreds of pics were taken of finishers on the podium.
It's about being distracted by sports when real serious issues are going unaddressed or getting worse.
Blackrock is doing more to destroy the nuclear family unit and the American dream than any transgender person playing sports is. Sports is a luxury and we treat it like our god in this country.