Catholics vs. Convicts
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This was definitely a great game and the build-up to it was remarkable. However, even given that tough atmosphere to play in, Miami went toe-to-toe with the Irish. Although I do not think the atmosphere would have been as electric if this game had been in Miami, I believe the Hurricanes would have won. This is again based on how impressed I was with Miami's play in a definite hostile environment in South Bend.
Great game and show. Two really bad penalty calls
that changed the out come. If not for a bad call Miami wins this game. All in all thought fantastic game.
Mike Sullivan - st francis de sales and Russell Maryland Whitney Young both played for Miami in that game
corey:
I never applauded these kids for the tee-shirt industry they created; I neither though it to be tasteful nor industrious. I watched with fascination as the players and coaches carefully recounted their experiences and the filmmakers re-created the events which led to the game; however, I did find I was filled with questions after the end of the film.
I do, however, disagree with you over your contention Miami was two penalties away from winning the game.
Having been a spectator in the stadium on this day back in 1988, I recoiled at sight of the final segment which illustrates what is clearly an error by the official in approving of Andre Brown's final touchdown catch late in the fourth quarter. Anyone who watched the documentary can clearly see Brown never had possession and, if this were to occur today, the climatic ending would have never occurred had the official made the correct call.
I'd also like to point out another glaring mistake the officials committed, one which escaped my eye until I saw a replay about a decade ago. At the 46:45 mark, if someone could explain how the official determined how Andre Brown's catch in the second quarter qualified as a score, I'd be grateful beyond words.
For those who are impartial and care to notice, it appears as if Brown was not only on the ground, but may very well have been out of bounds before he broke the plane with his reach. Even if one draws the conclusion Brown was in bounds, his knee was plainly on the turf before his arm broke the plane.
One can deduce a penalty may have shifted the game in ND's favor, but the way I see this almost thirty years later, had the officials done their job correctly, both of Brown's scoring efforts were based on poor officiating and if re-play have been a device harnessed in 1988, ND could have emerged victorious 31-17.
As far as Leonard Conley's fumble, well, he had a long, rich history of not being dependable toting the pigskin and I found it utterly preposterous the official or officials admitted to the Miami players they erred in ruling Conley's fumble a turnover.
Just my pedestrian view................
O'Neill, Holder,Panfil ,Andre Brown were Chicago guys on Miami. ND was well represented by Chicago guys: Alm, Zorich, Streeter,Smagala, Grunhard, and Jurkovich that all played significant roles in that game.
Witt
The replay showed that Leonard either scored or his knee was down at the 1 yard line. Know way he fumbled the ball reaching across the goal line.
I agree that the catch was no touchdown. He never had control. Like I said two terrible calls by the refs. If they had replay back then the game would have ended differently. I don't care about either team and have no skin in the game.
That's such terrible flawed logic. First of all Miami was down 7, so even if they scored on that "fumble" how can you say definitively they would have won? That's crazy you sound like Jimmy Johnson trying to talk himself into it. Secondly that fumble complaint really isn't all that valid, Miami got the ball right back on the 14 yard line and then ended up being given a gift touchdown, from the same officials, that really wasn't. So if you'd don't think those two cancel each other out then I don't think you should be posting without permission on here. Miami lost because they failed on their 2 OT conversion, plain and simple.
There is no way to say that if the Cleveland Gary fumble is correctly called a first down or touchdown whether Miami would have won or not... but, with all of the computers that give a predicted outcome based upon momentum and other factors, my guess would be that Miami would have, after that score, had a higher chance of winning than Notre Dame. I would say if Miami ties it right there, they'd have a 60-75% chance of winning the game.
Smagala and Grunhard from Laurence key guys on that team. Too bad no final 4 then, could have played again on neutral field.
What was even more crazy about JJ's logic was when he said on the show that had that call been a TD Lou Holtz would never of had a National Championship and he would have 2. Dave Wanstedt made a great point had Miami gone for the extra point and a tie they would have kept their number one ranking and won the National Championship again
Easy TPF523
Let's not get your panties in a bunch. Your not the Edgy police. Miami was the better team and should of won the game. The refs didn't help them and Jimmy going for 2 was a terrible decision that cost him the game. Football is a game of momentum and the timely poor calls hurt the Hurricanes chances of winning that game.
Eireog - thanks for bringing this to my attention. What a great documentary.
I'm neither pro-nor-anti Notre Dame. I just love good football.
Very well done, and fewer commercials than I would expect.