Cause and effect ... protesting and increase in positive COVID tests?

[rbs]

We are apparently seeing an increase in positive COVID test results in various places across the country.

Is this a surprise after nearly a month of 10’s of thousands of people protesting and rioting in the streets all over the country ... and yet the media isn’t even speaking to this potential cause and effect and is instead focusing only on opening up too soon?

 

[JDHoss]

I'll go with an even split on protests (although in the protest we participated in, I didn't see anyone without a mask) and dumbasses who thought that opening back up meant you didn't have to take precautions anymore.

 

[Baller Cal]

I'll go with an even split on protests (although in the protest we participated in, I didn't see anyone without a mask) and dumbasses who thought that opening back up meant you didn't have to take precautions anymore.

Fair take. A take you won't see on CNN or any of the NBC stations.

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

I just am in astonishment the media really is trying to praise NY's response and blame everything on Florida

 

[CatsFanGG24]

I think it had been 52 days into reopening for many states till this spike. The spike has been in an extremely young age bracket.

Protests and bars. Protests were a major seeding event though and likely the major seeding event.

If they don’t visit mom and dad, grandparents etc, it’ll be ok

 

[ukwildcat2004]

I referenced these same points in the corona thread and it was removed. I'm just really confused as to why no one points to the protests as a possible reason for the spike. It's plausible and I'm not saying they are totally responsible but they could be.

 

[JumperJack]

The media was encouraging mass gatherings 3 weeks ago.

Now the predictable results are in and they blame everybody but the protestors.

Any person who believes one word from MSM is a vegetable.

 

[Tannerdad]

It was more than 10s of thousands.

If you believe that crowded beaches and bars are a cause(and they well could be), not sure how you ignore the protests as a cause. But as usual, the MSM continues to ignore it because that might offend people. Complicit buttholes.

Lots of younger people getting it. That’s who went back to work, frequent bars and beaches and protested and rioted for the most part.

And yes. People of all ages are disregarding the precautions(masks, hygiene, etc). Lot more tests happening as well.

 

[PhDcat2018]

It was more than 10s of thousands.

If you believe that crowded beaches and bars are a cause(and they well could be), not sure how you ignore the protests as a cause. But as usual, the MSM continues to ignore it because that might offend people. Complicit buttholes.

Lots of younger people getting it. That’s who went back to work, frequent bars and beaches and protested and rioted for the most part.

And yes. People of all ages are disregarding the precautions(masks, hygiene, etc). Lot more tests happening as well.

This. But there's a silver lining. This thing still is unlikely to kill/greatly harm the younger ages. It seems to be even getting weaker with middle aged people(though I base this on a few people I know/circumstantial evidence I know). Therefore, it's just going to burn through quicker. If the media would shut up about it and just let sick people do what sick people do(i.e. stay home, rest, take fever/inflammation reducers) until they get better, everything would be fine. It's not rocket science. Don't go see grandma while you're coughing your lungs out and have a 102 degree fever.

 

[JumperJack]

I personally can’t see why it’s not great news as long as ICU beds aren’t overwhelmed and deaths keep declining. Every minute we are getting closer to herd immunity.

 

[PhDcat2018]

I personally can’t see why it’s not great news as long as ICU beds aren’t overwhelmed and deaths keep declining. Every minute we are getting closer to herd immunity.

Yup. The more healthy people that get it and survive it, the sooner this is all over.

 

[UKGrad93]

At least where I live, there are now enough tests available for younger people. My wife works in primary care pediatrics and said they can now test children. Up to now, they had to be admitted to the hospital to qualify. She has had a few kids test positive (from a daycare setting). Testing more of the population is part of the increase. Especially when you realize that deaths are dropping while positive cases are going up.

 

[PhDcat2018]

At least where I live, there are now enough tests available for younger people. My wife works in primary care pediatrics and said they can now test children. Up to now, they had to be admitted to the hospital to qualify. She has had a few kids test positive (from a daycare setting). Testing more of the population is part of the increase. Especially when you realize that deaths are dropping while positive cases are going up.

As long as deaths keep trending downwards, new cases are a good thing. People don't understand that though. Well, people that get spoonfed their news by the msm don't.

 

[Saguaro Cat]

There had been some media attention. In that there doesn't seem to be a cause and effect.

Protests were nationwide. Minnesota, New York, Louisville, Seattle, Dallas, you name it. But not all of them are seeing increases

The Cases are more localized. Florida, Arizona, Texas all peaking. New York is almost nothing. Washington DC the same. Minnesota has less than a month ago.

If anything, the the lesson is don't be inside with a bunch of other idiots without a mask. beCAUSE protesters wore masks and they didn't spread it

 

[PhDcat2018]

There had been some media attention. In that there doesn't seem to be a cause and effect.

Protests were nationwide. Minnesota, New York, Louisville, Seattle, Dallas, you name it. But not all of them are seeing increases

The Cases are more localized. Florida, Arizona, Texas all peaking. New York is almost nothing. Washington DC the same. Minnesota has less than a month ago.

If anything, the the lesson is don't be inside with a bunch of other idiots without a mask. beCAUSE protesters wore masks and they didn't spread it

Not all protesters followed the rules. In fact, most didn't even come close to the suggested separation.

 

[Twindaddy2003+1]

Interesting though as someone said there were protests everywhere however it is the states who opened up much sooner and allowed more that are spiking. Sure the protests caused some however the quick reopenings are what is driving this and the people making wearing a mask a political statement.

 

[anthonys735]

There had been some media attention. In that there doesn't seem to be a cause and effect.

Protests were nationwide. Minnesota, New York, Louisville, Seattle, Dallas, you name it. But not all of them are seeing increases

The Cases are more localized. Florida, Arizona, Texas all peaking. New York is almost nothing. Washington DC the same. Minnesota has less than a month ago.

If anything, the the lesson is don't be inside with a bunch of other idiots without a mask. beCAUSE protesters wore masks and they didn't spread it

Protesters absolutely are not all wearing masks. Some wore homemade masks. None are social distancing. They're all screaming, yelling, singing, and chanting. Homemade masks are not even close to complete prevention, they just limit large droplet transfers, but for some reason they're being treated as if they're full on hazmat suits.

Regardless of your feeling of the protests, I personally fully support 1st Amendment rights, but if we're allowing them during a pandemic, it can't be at the cost of reopening.

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

I work in a Louisville hospital and we have actually seen a spike in COVID cases. No chance it could be from protesters...

 

[Tannerdad]

Checkout the video of the Pride march in Chicago. It’s out there.

Now tell me that’s social distancing. Better close a couple more bars.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

It takes serious willful ignorance to claim this surge isn't riot related. States were open for weeks and fine. Riots, then a surge.

Keep in mind contact tracers in at least some of these states are not allowed to ask if the patient attended a protest.

It'll just keep happening. Now pride marches are under way.

Rather than point out the obvious fact of what's causing the resurgence, politicians and msm keep blaming it on beach goers etc.

 

[Blue63Madison]

My wife is an RN (we’re in South Georgia). Her office is seeing a clear spike in the last couple weeks, and it’s mostly people who have recently gone on vacation to different areas of Florida and come back sick. Might be a coincidence, but who knows.

 

[anthonys735]

It's not JUST protest related. It's increase in testing, increase in tracing, testing without symptoms, increases in movement, reopening, and obviously protests.

Important to also realize nationwide cases are not increasing, we're just finding hot spots more efficiently. If we had this level of testing in March, we'd have at least double the amount of cases, some estimate 100k+ per day.

So my issue isn't protesters are out there spreading it, my issue is we're allowing this to happen while simultaneous continuing to restrict peoples livelihood and businesses. That doesn't sit well with me at all. It's pretty disgusting, really.

 

[Saguaro Cat]

Protesters absolutely are not all wearing masks. Some wore homemade masks. None are social distancing. They're all screaming, yelling, singing, and chanting. Homemade masks are not even close to complete prevention, they just limit large droplet transfers, but for some reason they're being treated as if they're full on hazmat suits.

Some of the people weren't wearing masks. Some were homemade. People are yelling and close together. You're right. They're not hazmat suits.

And yet still. New York. Minnesota. Chicago. Washington Dc. No growth. Like the thread said. Cause and effect. Protests don't spread Covid. That's how effective cheap masks and being outside are for most people.

So dont hang inside at places you don't have to like bars, restaurants, and/or churches. And if you are packed inside work or the grocery store, wear a mask. And maybe we can stop Covid almost as successful as BLM protesters did.

 

[ukwildcat2004]

It's not JUST protest related. It's increase in testing, increase in tracing, testing without symptoms, increases in movement, reopening, and obviously protests.

Important to also realize nationwide cases are not increasing, we're just finding hot spots more efficiently. If we had this level of testing in March, we'd have at least double the amount of cases, some estimate 100k+ per day.

So my issue isn't protesters are out there spreading it, my issue is we're allowing this to happen while simultaneous continuing to restrict peoples livelihood and businesses. That doesn't sit well with me at all. It's pretty disgusting, really.

Agree 100% with you. I had this same sentiment in the other covid thread but it was deleted. I just think if your ok with one then you need to be ok with the other. If you want to attend a protest then do it. It's your 1st amendment right. On the other hand let me attend church or send my child to daycare and don't try to say I'm to blame for the spike.

 

[anthonys735]

Some of the people weren't wearing masks. Some were homemade. People are yelling and close together. You're right. They're not hazmat suits.

And yet still. New York. Minnesota. Chicago. Washington Dc. No growth. Like the thread said. Cause and effect. Protests don't spread Covid. That's how effective cheap masks and being outside are for most people.

So dont hang inside at places you don't have to like bars, restaurants, and/or churches. And if you are packed inside work or the grocery store, wear a mask. And maybe we can stop Covid almost as successful as BLM protesters did.

Small rise in Minny. NYC, Chicago, and DC had seroprevalence high enough you're not going to see an increase. They could be increasing in protesters and young people and still overall decreasing. Remember most of these increases are in places that had very few cases early. Look at where they were happening at the county levels.

 

[BMoore2]

There is a political slant to a lot of the reporting; I don’t so much mean the raw data, but the editorial slant of the reporting of the data. News organizations simply stop at nothing to promote division, chaos, and a very clearly-articulated ideology they expect you to follow (otherwise, you are a bad person).

 

[Bigblue2023]

Come on guys, everyone knows covid 19 is WOKE and wouldnt go near the protestors. Its the first sjw conscious virus known to man.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

I personally can’t see why it’s not great news as long as ICU beds aren’t overwhelmed and deaths keep declining. Every minute we are getting closer to herd immunity.

Hospitals are becoming overwhelmed in some places. For example, Houston had to start admitting adults to the children’s hospital because the regular hospitals ran out of space.

 

[UKGrad93]

Hospitals are becoming underwhelmed in some places. For example, Houston had to start admitting adults to the children’s hospital because the regular hospitals ran out of space.

I think you meant overwhelmed. But anyhow, a lot of hospitals were going broke having no patients.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

 

[WildcatofNati]

Some of the people weren't wearing masks. Some were homemade. People are yelling and close together. You're right. They're not hazmat suits.

And yet still. New York. Minnesota. Chicago. Washington Dc. No growth. Like the thread said. Cause and effect. Protests don't spread Covid. That's how effective cheap masks and being outside are for most people.

So dont hang inside at places you don't have to like bars, restaurants, and/or churches. And if you are packed inside work or the grocery store, wear a mask. And maybe we can stop Covid almost as successful as BLM protesters did.

Thanks for the tips, but I'll continue to go to restaurants and bars as I see fit. I never went to church in the first place, but, if there was ever a time to start, it would be now.

 

[Baller Cal]

CDC said likely that 20 Million Americans have been infected. I bet it's a lot more than that as I believe millions and millions of young people have or had it from January up until now.

 

[anthonys735]

CDC said likely that 20 Million Americans have been infected. I bet it's a lot more than that as I believe millions and millions of young people have or had it from January up until now.

 

[Baller Cal]

Have no clue what all that means.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

I think you meant overwhelmed. But anyhow, a lot of hospitals were going broke having no patients.

Yes that, whoops

 

[anthonys735]

Grey is estimated undetected covid cases by date. Peak at 795k per day first week of April.
Blue is detected covid cases.
Red is rolling 7 day average of deaths. Gives you a good idea of lag from cases.

So that puts visualization to your comment using cdc numbers. You can see just how many cases we likely missed when our testing was not up to par.

 

[Saguaro Cat]

Whoa. Look at that giant jump all at once on June 17th - 19th. All from protests that started on May 26th? Weird, because the average time to see symptoms is 5 or 6 days. I wonder what was happening in the immediate week across the whole state leading up to that.

On Friday, Minnesota’s governor announced the third phase of reopening the state, which includes the option for restaurants to reopen dining rooms with reservations, at a diminished capacity beginning Wednesday June 10.

https://twincities.eater.com/2020/6...atios-reservations-dining-minneapolis-st-paul

 

[Wrong]

Believe it or not it can be both opening up and mass gatherings. But don't piss on me and tell me it is raining. You can't say it is only bars and restaurants are causing the increase and that mass gatherings have zero effect.

 

[anthonys735]

Whoa. Look at that giant jump all at once on June 17th - 19th. All from protests that started on May 26th? Weird, because the average time to see symptoms is 5 or 6 days. I wonder what was happening in the immediate week across the whole state leading up to that.

On Friday, Minnesota’s governor announced the third phase of reopening the state, which includes the option for restaurants to reopen dining rooms with reservations, at a diminished capacity beginning Wednesday June 10.

https://twincities.eater.com/2020/6...atios-reservations-dining-minneapolis-st-paul

That would mean everyone got infected on the same day and all showed symptoms exactly 5 days later. That's not really how it works. Slow burn deal. As I'm sure you're aware, not everyone that comes in contact with a covid positive preson then becomes infected themselves.

Tons of theories why the South, Southwest, and California are seeing these spikes. Imo, they didn't have a lot of infections early and really bad testing. They're catching up. Just as simply as you want to dismiss protests and blame bars that gets snagged on California with the strictest lock downs outside of NYC.

 

[Saguaro Cat]

That would mean everyone got infected on the same day and all showed symptoms exactly 5 days later.

That graph jumps 10% over two, 3, maybe 4 days days, and keeps climbing. So yes, not everyone caught it on the 10th. Some the 11th. Some the 12th. And so on. Some of the 10th got symptoms early and tested and reported on the 17th. Little jump. The next day, 10th and 11th are in play, so number goes even higher.

Oh, that's insane SaguaroCat. How can bars and restaurants make Covid jump that high, that quick. Minnesota records 300 cases a day. How could another 100 cases over two days come from reopened bars over short period of time. And not from Minneapolis.

Some of the roughly 100 young adults infected during visits to bars on June 12 and 13 — the first weekend they reopened — work in child care. Others work in health care facilities and with people at greater risk of severe COVID-19.

https://www.startribune.com/cluster...rn-minnesota-tied-to-reopened-bars/571477362/

Though remember, this just explains why young people make up a higher percentage. As a whole, the state of Minnesota saw a reduction in cases during the protest period.

Daily case growth has ebbed in Minnesota this month, with the 304 cases reported on Wednesday being below the peak of 847 cases reported on May 23.

Because masks and not being inside with a group works.