Cause and effect ... protesting and increase in positive COVID tests?
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No one is preventing you from peacefully assembling. Is every inch of space in the United States forbidden from you assembling in?
Going to go out on a limb here and say you didn't actually read the link you posted. The whole point of the scientific article is advocating that HCW should not use cloth masks in lieu of cloth masks while at work...you know HCWs are around sick people all day at work. There is a finite amount of respiratory masks for HCWs in the world.
Texas of all places just mandated everyone wear a mask. Freaking TEXAS!
Also, the study you are referencing is from 2014/2015. Lots changes since then...
I mean, you are tagging some clowns from Twitter...I say listen to Fauci. Clearly that's way too hard for you to grasp.
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Public spaces are being shut down across the country. Show me where it says the right to assemble is null during a pandemic.
I saw that the NPR had an article stating the protests didn't cause any type of spike or spread of covid 19 other large gatherings did. Anyone else buy that?
I saw on Facebook but I can't seem to find anything to support it so it's probably not correct but someone posted that Andy was looking to make an executive order that if you leave the state you need to quarantine when you return. I know that was the deal with Tennessee early on but not now. Again i I can't find anything to support this information so probably not true. Wouldn't shock me if he is considering it though.
I saw on Facebook but I can't seem to find anything to support it so it's probably not correct but someone posted that Andy was looking to make an executive order that if you leave the state you need to quarantine when you return. I know that was the deal with Tennessee early on but not now. Again i I can't find anything to support this information so probably not true. Wouldn't shock me if he is considering it though.
I read the entire thing and I don't trust anyone associated with politics in this thing and for a good reason. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Faucci himself said NOT to wear masks. Those types are the reason I started to dig.
I understand the study is resp vs cloth mask and dated. But fairly relevant when discussing the finding on clothe masks it says the particles are getting through at a high rate(97%) and may lead to increases due to moisture retention. The fact that it's 5 years old actually helps, as I'm not aware of any major leaps in bandanna technology since 2015, and it would remove any bias due to the current situation. Clothe face coverings, in large gatherings or confined spaces, give minimal(at best) coverage. Yet you all seem to think they're some wizardry magic cloak hazmat suit.
Not advocating to loose the mask, when you can't adequately distance, but they need to be delivered with a BIG warning because you're still at risk, if you don't practice distancing, hygiene, and limited network.
A quick 5 minute google search on the study will show you that authors now advocate usage of cloth mask for HCWs when N95's are not available.
And Fauci is a huge advocate of wearing masks...I think the CDC has guidelines on making masks yourself.
Wearing any mask >>> Not wearing any masks.
I agree. It's better than nothing. But it doesn't protect those protesters.
no unfortunately pcr only, test volumes largely same before and after spike, and high fidelity these are unique patients.
this virus sucks.
The "tens of thousands" of protesters pales in comparison to just public beach visits. The state of Florida alone gets about a quarter of a million visitors per day. Add the other states and you are over a million.
Obviously anyone that gathers in a group and doesn't observe the recommended 6 foot social distancing is participating in the spread of the virus.
I don't know why people feel compelled to keep trying to politicize the virus. People need to put their politics and petty digs aside and start getting serious if you want to beat this thing back down and maybe have some football and basketball this year.
Obviously anyone that gathers in a group and doesn't observe the recommended 6 foot social distancing is participating in the spread of the virus.
I don't know why people feel compelled to keep trying to politicize the virus. People need to put their politics and petty digs aside and start getting serious if you want to beat this thing back down and maybe have some football and basketball this year.
I can't speak for everyone but I was all for doing what's best for the country and defeating the virus. Now it seems data is unreliable, you can find anything to fit your theory. My second problem was the over reach of the government in certain situations. I should be able to decide certain things. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when some people that went to a church were going to have license plates written down and forced to quarantine and called out for it on TV. Meanwhile protesters (which I have no problem with doing it) were allowed to assemble and not one word was mentioned about it. No license plate threats, no forced quarantine, not one one world to them. If you can't see the hypocrisy in that then you are turning a blind eye to it on purpose. This is what caused it to be political for me.
Anyone that is in an outdoor public place and not observing the 6' distance is acting irresponsibly no doubt about that, and I have heard a lot mentioned about that. But how do you enforce that in a protest? You can't get license numbers, many of them didn't drive to the area or don't even own a car, and you can't arrest 10,000 people and even if you could, incarcerating them would do more harm in spreading the disease than just letting them stay outside. If you were to arrest everyone that goes outside and gets' within 6 foot of someone you would be arresting tens of millions of people.
From everything I have read the disease is very difficult to spread outdoors, indoors is the big problem because the air and the particles do no dissipate.
Everyone needs to observe the common sense measures and many states such as Texas are now mandating masks inside public places and social distancing.
My point is to pick out one thing, in this instance protests that involve perhaps .0001% of the population of 340 million people and ignore everything else including church services, political rallies, beach goers, holiday celebration events etc. just because it serves a political view is straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel, it's also being disingenuous or just plan ignorant of the overall facts.
Here is a chart published by the Texas Medical Association that ranks activities by their level of risk:
https://www.texmed.org/uploadedFiles/Current/2016_Public_Health/Infectious_Diseases/309193 Risk Assessment Chart V2_FINAL.pdf
.0001% of 340 million is 340 people. It is estimated that 15-26 million participated in the original protests. Don’t be absurd.
Then they should be complaining about the protesters as well. If you are going to say public gatherings that includes protest. Why aren't they being stopped?
Cop out response. Activate the guard and remove them. You cannot allow one element to ignore the problem and enforce it on others. Plus, I don't think you have seen the size (numbers) of some of those protesting. If you use outdoors not being as bad as indoors why the comments about beaches. Political is part of it even in your response. If you are going to enforce it, enforce it all.
Fauci on non hcw wearing masks 2 months ago (and you can talk about them protecting against a shortage- but everyone knows cloth and coverings were in no danger of shortage considering anyone can make them)
This is not to advocate for or against masks...but Fauci was mentioned, so here he is.
This is not to advocate for or against masks...but Fauci was mentioned, so here he is.
you got me on the hyperbole, but 15-26 million? I seriously doubt that though I have seen the polls. I live in a city of 300,000 people and we had maybe 5000 protesters at best. That's .016%
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He was wrong that they didn't serve a purpose but the topic there was clearly protection of the mask wearer which they don't do a whole lot for. At that time he and the experts also thought the major way it was spread was through touching surfaces that had been touched by a symptomatic person and then touching your own face. That also changed when they discovered it was the "droplets" from infected people that were the major cause and then masks came back to the forefront.
I don't see any ulterior motive for any health care pro to lie about the info they put out. If we are going to marginalize someone over one mistake or one misstatement there are a whole lot of other people in high places of authority that we will have to discount as well.
I expect the experts to be competent but I don't expect them to be fortunetellers either.
If you are talking about violent protests including destructive of property than I agree that governors should deploy the guard if they deem it necessary, But if you want to call out the guard for peaceful protesters not wearing masks do you want to call the guard out to remove beach goers and church goers etc. as well?
apples to apples. outdoor protests - outdoor beach goers. The point I'm making is in the numbers.
I agree and some states are giving out fines for not wearing masks, but I think law enforcement has limitations. The cops don't catch every speeder i.e.
To blame protesters for not observing social distancing or wearing masks is fair and correct but to blame the current spike totally or mostly on the protesters and avoid the other zillions of people not following the recommendations is ridiculous and it's intent is clearing to make a political point rather than address the problem directly in non-partisan fashion.
No on the police/Guard being called out but, if one (Protester/beach goer) is out so should the other be. Let's not make this one side good other side bad.
Semantics in numbers considering the protesters were in much larger numbers than indicated and if you are going to make a rule it applies to everyone. Once some break it, others will follow.
totally agree.
We need to all focus on trying to limit or stop the spread of the virus. That's job one.
Your missing the point. You want to blame every other activity for the spike/surge. The protesters get a free pass from the MSM no one calls them out. Have a group of 51 people and you will find yourself being called out for it. Protest is fine to do and no repercussions If you don't see the problem with that then we will agree to disagree. This isn't a right or wrong thing I just all groups treated equally and thats not happening.
With all due respect when you have the president tell people it’s going away what do you expect. If he were honest we would be in a much better place. Same with desantis.
Well it’s kind of hard to get the license plate for someone who is walking.
No you missed my point, I'm saying consider the entirety of the issue not just one segment of it:
To blame protesters for not observing social distancing or wearing masks is fair and correct but to blame the current spike totally or mostly on the protesters and avoid the other zillions of people not following the recommendations is ridiculous
Also it's not totally fair to lay the blame all on people who decided to go the beach, restaurants, and small social gatherings. They catch 99% of the blame meanwhile protesters catch 0% of the blame. Again if they can assemble and protest then the rest of us should be able to resume normal activities. Again if you can't see the hypocrisy in that then your just chosing not too.
It is going away, isn’t it? You goons point to Europe where it’s going away as a prime example of how it should have been handled. Can’t have it both ways.
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No No No - the fact that one or a group of people do something stupid to spread the virus is not a license for everyone else to do something stupid to spread the virus.
I can't be hypocritical on something I didn't say.
So it's ok for a large group protesters to assemble? Yes or no? If you say yes then it's ok for other activities to resume. If it's a no then they need to be condemned like every other large gathering. It's really not that complicated.
Seems quite a few folks assume masks work regardless of whether shoulder to shoulder and regardless of washing hands.
It's like masks are infallible and the difference maker instead of social distancing and washing hands, let alone in combination with them.
Interesting.
It's like masks are infallible and the difference maker instead of social distancing and washing hands, let alone in combination with them.
Interesting.
Duval beaches, restaurants and many bars have been open for over a month. 68 deaths in our county.
Biggest difference from here and S FL, Tampa or Orlando is we don't get nearly the tourism as the other cities.
And having been to the beach first re-open and after, keeping distance is easy.
The boaters are spaced out on sandbars.
Meanwhile NY has over 32k deaths, many from nursing homes and unless FL puts the infected in our nursing homes, you need about 29k deaths to call FL the next NY.
Biggest difference from here and S FL, Tampa or Orlando is we don't get nearly the tourism as the other cities.
And having been to the beach first re-open and after, keeping distance is easy.
The boaters are spaced out on sandbars.
Meanwhile NY has over 32k deaths, many from nursing homes and unless FL puts the infected in our nursing homes, you need about 29k deaths to call FL the next NY.
Agree. Transient areas are getting hit the hardest. Jacksonville isn't a big tourist destination. Miami, NYC, Nashville, etc... are..
Then your super dense areas like Houston and other large cities are at risk. High Density, transient cities are the most at risk. IE - Miami, NYC...
BINGO.
If we are going to allow protesting (right or wrong), why is ANYTHING still closed?!
New (really good) BBQ place right down the street from me just announced they were closing. The shutdown and now the restrictions placed on businesses after the partial re-opening have killed them. It really sucks. It was a guy (and his family) originally from the area that had moved away and came back to open up a restaurant (franchise) after having been living in, I believe, St Louis for a while. People are losing their lives!!
This crap needs to end now.
I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the people that went to Florida/Texas/Arizona and came back with covid had it when they left and just hadn't been tested for it.