CBS article re: Simmons
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That's a bit of a stretch to me. Baylor was an institutional problem, much like Penn State. The athletic officials, University leadership, city officials all worked to keep that stuff quiet.
That's not what we have here with Simmons.
That's not what we have here with Simmons.
So CBS equates college players raping women to a minor in high school hitting a woman who was talking trash about a dead child?
Here's my question - why wouldn't Simmons be enrolled as a regular student? Are you not allowed to enroll if you have a pending trial? I have no clue.
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We shouldn't lessen what Simmons did. He beat up a woman. Regardless of what the woman was saying - you don't do it.
Thought the same thing. Agree with the logic, but is it true?
Something tells me that if public universities didn't admit students convicted of misdemeanors (or with pending misdemeanor charges), there would be a lot less students at public universities.
I could be wrong though, but I'm thinking the "No." response to that question is BS.
Something tells me that if public universities didn't admit students convicted of misdemeanors (or with pending misdemeanor charges), there would be a lot less students at public universities.
I could be wrong though, but I'm thinking the "No." response to that question is BS.
I thought she was doing a little more than saying something. Wasn't she in a major brawl with Simmons' sister when all this transpired?
Yes, and I'm not sure anything's pending. Pretty sure the whole thing has been dropped at this point.
Are you sure he pounded her face? I didn't watch the video for a month because I didn't want or need to see it. But I wanted to respond to a comment on it so I watched it.
I had heard that he decimated that poor little girl. I couldn't see that he hit her in the head or even hit her with a full blow.
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It's kinda of like that client that tells you, "I wasn't trying to hurt her, you
can tell cause the injuries aren't that bad. If I was trying to hurt her, you would know." That kind of stuff doesn't fly in front of a jury or public opinion.
But, having represented clients in both misdemeanor DV cases and felonious DV cases there is a big difference. It's very easy for a large male to fracture bones...
My understanding is that Simmons didn't hurt the woman severely. No broken bones or lacerations. Doesn't even look like near full strength punches. Given the size and strength difference, he easily could have. I'm not justifying anything...just saying.
can tell cause the injuries aren't that bad. If I was trying to hurt her, you would know." That kind of stuff doesn't fly in front of a jury or public opinion.
But, having represented clients in both misdemeanor DV cases and felonious DV cases there is a big difference. It's very easy for a large male to fracture bones...
My understanding is that Simmons didn't hurt the woman severely. No broken bones or lacerations. Doesn't even look like near full strength punches. Given the size and strength difference, he easily could have. I'm not justifying anything...just saying.
In today's world, with added attention and focus being paid to violence against women - whether sexual in nature or not - it is just as misleading to label this as "just a misdemeanor". I'm not saying that he should be cast out of society and not given a second chance, but when you/we try to downplay this as a "misdemeanor" we are acting like he got cited for being an 18 year old holding a beer can. Just my thoughts.
I love the outrage at this by the Rebs, like our moronic friends at NAFOOM. This is nothing like Baylor or UT.
It was stupid and he shouldn't have done it, however:
- it's a misdemeanor
- it's a first offense
- other schools, including Ole Miss, have bigger character issues on their roster
- Mullen deserves the benefit of the doubt given how he's handled punishment in the past
- if State dropped him, he would be getting calls from freeze tomorrow
- being enrolled at school doesn't mean he's necessarily on the team yet
- no NCAA rules have been violated
Rebels are just begging for a diversion of the spotlight, which will not be coming anytime soon.
Serious question: Is punching a woman worse than punching a man, from a legal perspective?
The whole admissions process for athletics vs regular students is different.
Edited to add: Maybe the process is laid out in text to be potentially the same, but the fact is it is different for the two.
Edited to add: Maybe the process is laid out in text to be potentially the same, but the fact is it is different for the two.
If we didn't let him enroll he would be playing against us. Bottom line. Any fanbase that says their team wouldn't take him is living in a fantasy world.
In no way do I condone what he did, he screwed up. He was not on our team at the time but if he messes up again cut bait and move on.
In no way do I condone what he did, he screwed up. He was not on our team at the time but if he messes up again cut bait and move on.
This was the thing that stuck out to me about this article. The guy obviously has no idea what he's talking about. Admissions would enroll Simmons as a normal student no ifs ands or buts. The only thing the school would have to be concerned about was if the young lady he hurt was enrolled at the school, then they would involve title XI stuff, but otherwise admissions could care less.
If Simmons was a regular student,
The incident wouldn't have made the news and nobody would care or know about it. So that guys an idiot.
The incident wouldn't have made the news and nobody would care or know about it. So that guys an idiot.
I'll preface my comment with the fact I'm not taking the sides of Simmons. But graduating HS from a public school in the Delta, I have earned the right to say that some of these "girls" have the ability to kick your ***. She isn't a southern debutant if she was willing to make a man of that size mad enough to fight her. Just my view.
I would think it depends on the situation
For instance, beating up anyone in a situation where that person is defenseless is going to be worse, likely, from a legal standpoint than a face to face fistfight. My point in all of this is that this isn't just a simple legal issue. Trying to pass this off as "just a misdemeanor" is just as misleading as what is being complained about from the article in the OP. Agree or disagree, male on female violence, in general, is very much in the spotlight in our society right now. It doesn't matter what the lady said to upset him or whatever other mitigating circumstances we may argue, either. Especially in this situation, where there is a video of the incident.
Again, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have been allowed to enroll. I do think that he should face some pretty stiff punishment as far as his status with the team is concerned, but I'll let the administration handle that. And there's no way to dodge the fact that the publicity will not be positive if/when he does join the team. It just is what it is.
For instance, beating up anyone in a situation where that person is defenseless is going to be worse, likely, from a legal standpoint than a face to face fistfight. My point in all of this is that this isn't just a simple legal issue. Trying to pass this off as "just a misdemeanor" is just as misleading as what is being complained about from the article in the OP. Agree or disagree, male on female violence, in general, is very much in the spotlight in our society right now. It doesn't matter what the lady said to upset him or whatever other mitigating circumstances we may argue, either. Especially in this situation, where there is a video of the incident.
Again, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have been allowed to enroll. I do think that he should face some pretty stiff punishment as far as his status with the team is concerned, but I'll let the administration handle that. And there's no way to dodge the fact that the publicity will not be positive if/when he does join the team. It just is what it is.
I disagree. And you are still confusing the legal "terms" of this with the public's attention to violence against women. I got cited for a misdemeanor minor in possession of alcohol when I was a kid. No one cared, rightfully so. He got caught hitting a woman, and lots of people cared, rightfully so. Any time that any man (especially ones that are high profile - athletes for sure) is caught on camera beating up a woman, it is going to be talked about. A lot. And not in a positive light.
edited to add that what I disagree with is your repeated characterization of this as no big deal and we shouldn't even be talking about this. I'm not arguing about his enrollment. That's for the policies of the University to decide.
edited to add that what I disagree with is your repeated characterization of this as no big deal and we shouldn't even be talking about this. I'm not arguing about his enrollment. That's for the policies of the University to decide.
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Am I the only one who thinks what a sad society we've become in that it's a downright crying shame that an athlete coming out of high school should have to answer a questionaire form for possible criminal activity? I mean what a shame at the amount of kids having rap sheets these days.
If he was a 2* recruit, we would have dropped him. I don't have a huge problem with taking him, pending what sort of punishment we give (I would redshirt him and if he stays out of trouble, he plays the first game of 2017). But let's not kid ourselves that if he was a marginal player we would have taken the PR hit.
I didn't classify the crime, the legal system did
...nor am I trying to get sympathy for the kid. Honestly, I don't care about him one way or another. I just want to know why the article singles us out and flat out said he couldn't get in to college if he weren't an athlete. If football status waives a criminal history precedent (does misdemeanor simple assault remove you from the applicant pool?), we deserve every bit of scrutiny. My guess is that it doesn't in today's dependency on high enrollment numbers. My guess is also that there are thousands of other examples where a football player has made it into college with a misdemeanor (again, not my classification) on his record. Why point to this particular instance?
...nor am I trying to get sympathy for the kid. Honestly, I don't care about him one way or another. I just want to know why the article singles us out and flat out said he couldn't get in to college if he weren't an athlete. If football status waives a criminal history precedent (does misdemeanor simple assault remove you from the applicant pool?), we deserve every bit of scrutiny. My guess is that it doesn't in today's dependency on high enrollment numbers. My guess is also that there are thousands of other examples where a football player has made it into college with a misdemeanor (again, not my classification) on his record. Why point to this particular instance?
We will just have to disagree and I respect where you are coming from.
Simmons made a mistake, a big one but by all accounts he is not a bad apple and not a risk to have at our university. I trust Mullen to handle Simmons like he has
handled all other discipline. Mullen has a great track record on kicking guys to the curb that need to be kicked. Simply put, when you weigh all the evidence Simmons
deserves the chance to play football at MSU and its not even a hard decision.
Simmons made a mistake, a big one but by all accounts he is not a bad apple and not a risk to have at our university. I trust Mullen to handle Simmons like he has
handled all other discipline. Mullen has a great track record on kicking guys to the curb that need to be kicked. Simply put, when you weigh all the evidence Simmons
deserves the chance to play football at MSU and its not even a hard decision.
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