CFP Championship game thread

BW Lion

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Alabama should have lost 4 games and did not have to play Georgia. If TCU does not deserve to be in the playoff, neither does Michigan. TCU beat Michigan.
Alabama was awarded an away SEC schedule that happens to PSU periodically.

10/1 @Arkansas W 49-26
10/15 @ Tenn L 49-52
11/5 @ LSU L 31-32
11/12 @ Miss W 30-24

I wonder how PSU would do with that schedule. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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Beat down. Preview of the expanded playoffs. There are only 4 to 6 teams that have the talent to win a multi game tournament. PSU isn’t one of them, I am sad to say. You need back to back to back top 5 recruiting classes to compete now.
I agree. The top 4 or 5 SEC teams have the most talented rosters. You can throw Ohio State into the mix. But I believe the SEC will continue to dominate a 12 team playoff.
 

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Beat down. Preview of the expanded playoffs. There are only 4 to 6 teams that have the talent to win a multi game tournament. PSU isn’t one of them, I am sad to say. You need back to back to back top 5 recruiting classes to compete now.
Teams stacking 5 stars for depth isn't going to happen moving forward with the portal. The sky isn't falling.
 

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TCU is way outclassed and their Big 12 defense is just horrible. They clearly had the game of their lives against Michigan (aided by Michigan’s 2 pick 6s and fumble at the 1).

This is the TCU team many feared they would see in the playoffs.
 

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Yeah, but the best team is in there.

So does "this" not happen when the playoff expands? Possibly, but more likely because of attrition than the inclusion of "better" teams.
The best team is there, but not the second best. I said “this“ — meaning “this“ unwatchable blowout in the championship game — won’t happen when it goes to 12 teams and it won’t. Teams like TCU will get eliminated. It’s not due to attrition, but because there are better teams than TCU that aren’t in the championship game. I know it’s easy to apply the transitive property to common opponents, but each game is different. Do you really think TCU beats PSU? I don’t. TCU gets beat by OSU and if Michigan plays them 10 times, they win 9. That’s 3 teams from the Big 10 East that should beat TCU most of the time. All 3 recruit better than TCU and should beat them on the field. The SEC has multiple teams that recruit better than TCU and can beat them. Lots of posts about the Jimmies and Joes dictating the outcome of this game. TCU just doesn’t recruit as well as PSU, OSU, Michigan, and lots of SEC teams. Why expect that they can consistently beat them? They just don’t have the roster to do it. Eventually, it will catch up with them, and it is tonight. I think teams lIke TCU will be eliminated by better teams because the selection committee‘s “criteria” do not select the best teams. Attrition has nothing to do with it. By letting in more teams from the SEC and the Big 10, teams like TCU from weaker conferences will get beat before the championship game if the selection committee seeds the teams properly rather than pretending that 1 loss in a weak conference is better than 2 losses in a tough conference to 2 teams that made the playoff.
 

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Alabama was awarded an away SEC schedule that happens to PSU periodically.

10/1 @Arkansas W 49-26
10/15 @ Tenn L 49-52
11/5 @ LSU L 31-32
11/12 @ Miss W 30-24

I wonder how PSU would do with that schedule. 🤷🏼‍♂️
Do you really want to know?
 

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The best team is there, but not the second best. I said “this“ — meaning “this“ unwatchable blowout in the championship game — won’t happen when it goes to 12 teams and it won’t. Teams like TCU will get eliminated. It’s not due to attrition, but because there are better teams than TCU that aren’t in the championship game. I know it’s easy to apply the transitive property to common opponents, but each game is different. Do you really think TCU beats PSU? I don’t. TCU gets beat by OSU and if Michigan plays them 10 times, they win 9. That’s 3 teams from the Big 10 East that should beat TCU most of the time. All 3 recruit better than TCU and should beat them on the field. The SEC has multiple teams that recruit better than TCU and can beat them. Lots of posts about the Jimmies and Joes dictating the outcome of this game. TCU just doesn’t recruit as well as PSU, OSU, Michigan, and lots of SEC teams. Why expect that they can consistently beat them? They just don’t have the roster to do it. Eventually, it will catch up with them, and it is tonight. I think teams lIke TCU will be eliminated by better teams because the selection committee‘s “criteria” do not select the best teams. Attrition has nothing to do with it. By letting in more teams from the SEC and the Big 10, teams like TCU from weaker conferences will get beat before the championship game if the selection committee seeds the teams properly rather than pretending that 1 loss in a weak conference is better than 2 losses in a tough conference to 2 teams that made the playoff.
So which is the second best team? Maybe it's OSU and it got knocked out a round early. Maybe it's an SEC team. Of the three likely candidates, the only one not beaten by UGa is Bama and it lost to the other two. You might not like how the CFP is playing out, but the best team is winning it.
 
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Has anyone noticed how much Kirby Smart is engaged in the game compared to Franklin. James, at times, seems disinterested. I may be nitpicking but just a subtle observation.
 
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Has anyone noticed how much Kirby Smart is engaged in the game compared to Franklin. James, at times, seems disinterested. I may be nitpicking but just a subtle observation.
One is an actual Head Coach.

The other is a grossly overpaid Football Administrator
 
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So which is the second best team? Maybe it's OSU and it got knocked out a round early. Maybe it's an SEC team. Of the three likely candidates, the only one not beaten by UGa is Bama and it lost to the other two. You might not like how the CFP is playing out, but the best team is winning it.

By a lot! 52 - 7 and its still in the 3rd quarter.
 
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TCU is way outclassed and their Big 12 defense is just horrible. They clearly had the game of their lives against Michigan (aided by Michigan’s 2 pick 6s and fumble at the 1).

This is the TCU team many feared they would see in the playoffs.
UGA would destroy meatchicken too. Tosu is the only team in the final 4 who was close to matching their talent.
 
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So which is the second best team? Maybe it's OSU and it got knocked out a round early. Maybe it's an SEC team. Of the three likely candidates, the only one not beaten by UGa is Bama and it lost to the other two. You might not like how the CFP is playing out, but the best team is winning it.
My original point that you responded to was that the selection committee does not select the best teams, and that why this game is happening. Whether they got the best team into the championship game does not negate the fact that the committee’s criteria don’t select the best teams. It’s not okay that they got it 50% correct. I feel that PSU and other teams are more deserving of making the playoffs than TCU. 12 teams will mitigate some of the damage that has been caused by the flawed selection criteria. Regarding the flawed criteria, one example is the committee’s refusal to acknowledge that a 2 loss team might be better than a 1 loss team. I feel that the 2 loss rule is garbage that kept PSU out in 2016. There were better teams out there than TCU, but the committee won’t admit it. 12 teams neutralizes their shallow thinking.
 

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So which is the second best team? Maybe it's OSU and it got knocked out a round early. Maybe it's an SEC team. Of the three likely candidates, the only one not beaten by UGa is Bama and it lost to the other two. You might not like how the CFP is playing out, but the best team is winning it.
Winning???? Don't you mean destroying the opposition?
 

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The best team is there, but not the second best. I said “this“ — meaning “this“ unwatchable blowout in the championship game — won’t happen when it goes to 12 teams and it won’t. Teams like TCU will get eliminated. It’s not due to attrition, but because there are better teams than TCU that aren’t in the championship game. I know it’s easy to apply the transitive property to common opponents, but each game is different. Do you really think TCU beats PSU? I don’t. TCU gets beat by OSU and if Michigan plays them 10 times, they win 9. That’s 3 teams from the Big 10 East that should beat TCU most of the time. All 3 recruit better than TCU and should beat them on the field. The SEC has multiple teams that recruit better than TCU and can beat them. Lots of posts about the Jimmies and Joes dictating the outcome of this game. TCU just doesn’t recruit as well as PSU, OSU, Michigan, and lots of SEC teams. Why expect that they can consistently beat them? They just don’t have the roster to do it. Eventually, it will catch up with them, and it is tonight. I think teams lIke TCU will be eliminated by better teams because the selection committee‘s “criteria” do not select the best teams. Attrition has nothing to do with it. By letting in more teams from the SEC and the Big 10, teams like TCU from weaker conferences will get beat before the championship game if the selection committee seeds the teams properly rather than pretending that 1 loss in a weak conference is better than 2 losses in a tough conference to 2 teams that made the playoff.
All I know is TCU beat Michigan and Michigan crushed us. Until tonight they were having a magical season. They went from a 5-7 record last year to the National Championship Game. If I was a TCU fan I'd be damn proud.
 

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All I know is TCU beat Michigan and Michigan crushed us. Until tonight they were having a magical season. They went from a 5-7 record last year to the National Championship Game. If I was a TCU fan I'd be damn proud.
So you think that TCU would crush PSU? PSU has a way more talented roster than TCU. How come the Jimmies and the Joes always explain why PSU loses, but doesn’t apply when evaluating whether PSU should beat a team?
 
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Well....tomorrow I will put my Nittany Lion cap on and go shopping amongst a sea of Dawg fans. Some will comment...."Penn State?....that's a nice Ivy league school."
 

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So you think that TCU would crush PSU?
I think they are having a bad night. If we played Michigan again in 2 weeks would they curb stomp us again? TCU beat 5 ranked teams during the regular season and one more in Michigan. We beat only one all year...Utah.
 
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Well....tomorrow I will put my Nittany Lion cap on and go shopping amongst a sea of Dawg fans. Some will comment...."Penn State?....that's a nice Ivy league school."
Asking how a Ivy league school beat them for a Natty in 1982.
 
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Well....tomorrow I will put my Nittany Lion cap on and go shopping amongst a sea of Dawg fans. Some will comment...."Penn State?....that's a nice Ivy league school."
You can tell them that USNews ranks their university higher than "that nice Ivy league school."
 

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I think they are having a bad night. If we played Michigan again in 2 weeks would they curb stomp us again? TCU beat 5 ranked teams during the regular season and one more in Michigan. We beat only one all year...Utah.

TCU played only 2 out of conference games, Colorado and Tarleton. The remainder of their schedule consisted of Big-12 teams ... maybe some were ranked, but I think their ranking was way over blown. The Big-12 as a conference has gone 2-7 in the post season.
 

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I think they are having a bad night. If we played Michigan again in 2 weeks would they curb stomp us again? TCU beat 5 ranked teams during the regular season and one more in Michigan. We beat only one all year...Utah.
We can only play the teams on our schedule. But our roster is better than TCU’s. That gives PSU a better chance of beating TCU than vice versa. TCU is overranked.
 

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Well, at some point only having 17 total blue-chip recruits on the team was going to catch up with TCU (#32 rank in composite team talent). Georgia, on the other hand, has almost that number in 5-star recruits alone.
 

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TCU played only 2 out of conference games, Colorado and Tarleton. The remainder of their schedule consisted of Big-12 teams ... maybe some were ranked, but I think their ranking was way over blown. The Big-12 as a conference has gone 2-7 in the post season.
5 were ranked when TCU beat them. Here is a strength of schedule ranking. They are 8th. We're 10th.


Alabama
(11-2)
14.7311
2Georgia (14-0)14.42185
3Ohio State (11-2)14.31144
4Tennessee (11-2)13.821092
5Kansas St (10-4)12.751006
6LSU (10-4)12.54427
7Texas (8-5)12.42893
8TX Christian (13-1)11.971149
9Michigan (13-1)11.251008
10Penn State (11-2)10.7542
 

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This is pathetic. Absolutely embarrassing for college football.
going on 4th down and giving short fields for UGA is not helping this look any better for TCU. UGA was trying to run clock and wound up scoring.