There are several computer rankings out there. The two i looked at had us ahead of JMU and Tulane. One had Tulane 62nd.
CFP embarrassment
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And both could have been correct as programmed. But the CFP algorithms would be about picking a set and limited number of teams based on every conceivable pertinent key measure. It would never come down to any of the teams you mentioned. The digital approach would not be nearly as open to question as this contrived mess we have right now.
This was discussed on some of the TV shows prior to the CFBP arrangements. I don't remember the details but they are all members of the NCAA and the other members obviously believed the G5 schools had enough legal standing to include them in this manner and know their costs rather than risk having an open-ended legal battle. Now, they may eventually seek to break away from them for football in the future, but for now it is what it is.
I 100% agree with you. My point? Two teams made the playoffs this year that were ranked below us. Sad.
It's a good point. And my point is that, when a system is deliberately set up to identify the top 12-16 teams, it can probably do it with great reliability.
No team should get a bye. No team should play at home, either. If they go to 16 teams and no byes, that process could employ 15 bowl games. Play those and eliminate the rest of them.
Agree 100%. Expansion is fine....I love the idea that other teams HAVE to play SEC teams instead of avoiding them. These non P4 teams....just no. I have loved seeing some of them over the last 35 years....but in THAT time I still don't think one of them was justifiably good enough to be in consideration for playing as part of a top/last 10-16 of all teams in the country.
....and no byes. That's BS.
Lastly - F ND. They aren't special. Can't believe some of the rules/allowances given to them. Slashes the credibility of powers that be for rules/CFP without question.
Disagree on non-p4 schools, IF they are one of the top 16 teams. The selection of the 16 needs to be modified but they should be in, if they are one of the top 16.
I tend to agree. One of the top of the requirements should be strength of schedule. Now I'm not saying exclude all G5 programs, but you really must have a SOS that is comparable with the top 12 or 16 teams in the rankings. I dont hardly see how that is possible but I guess a G5 could qualify every once in a while so we shouldn't be ruling them out. Bottom line is no one should cupcake their way in. And yes, that may include a P4 conference team at times as well. You want to play for a national championship?... schedule like you want to be one. Take nothing for granted and never believe you have scheduled good enough. Everyone should be beefing up their OOC schedules. Period. IMO it makes the game better anyways.
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Agreed. SOS should be part of the computer algorithm. Everyone loves a Cinderella story. Likely won't happen every year but if a non-p4 team gets in, i'll be pulling for them.
It's one of the reasons I like the basketball and baseball tournament. There always seems to be a Cinderella story.
You really are if strength of schedule and strength of roster mean anything.
Yeah I mentioned how it would be hard to see it as possible. That said, I have no doubt possible every now and again though... probably less. lol. I could see a P4 top 16 team with not all that strong a schedule. I mean I can recall there be times where a pretty highly ranked team has only a win or two against the top 25 late in the season... a lot actually. Who knows what can happen if a G5 really beefs up their OOC. The line between P4 and G5 is a blurry one given there is always going to be a weak P4 conference.
Just go ahead and cull them so that we can get serious about this thing - unless we're going to a 64-team playoff. Ludicrous, right?
Just to know where I'm at, I'd prefer 8 but would be happy with 16. The important thing is no byes. As long as there is a committee pulling the strings, I will not be happy with 4. Again I say include the G5 if the dare beef up their schedules but I could get on board with reclassifying them to exclude them from D1. As long as they are considered D1, they ought to have a path to a D1 Championship no matter how narrow the path is. That said, if the G5 were to agree to their own national championship, that would be great.
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It really doesn't need to be up to them. We only need them to fill out the OOC part of the schedule. If they want to pout and not take the money, let them be stupid.
No it doesn't. My point about that is there is probably a better chance of them leaving on their own than there is them getting booted from the system. It may take a few years of early exits first though.
Being an Independent has its benefits and disadvantages and ND should be forced to own both.
Allowing ND a pass on the disadvantages means the NCAA is running things like our current judicial system - special treatment for so called ''special people''. If rules are important to keep subjects in line, the system cannot survive this type of lame enforcement.
Allowing ND a pass on the disadvantages means the NCAA is running things like our current judicial system - special treatment for so called ''special people''. If rules are important to keep subjects in line, the system cannot survive this type of lame enforcement.
They won't leave as long as there is a shred of hope for inclusion. That hope must be summarily quashed.
Most G5 already schedule P4 programs (or is it the other way around ?), so this is not an issue.
Just 2 examples (and this should not be considered limited). South Florida scheduled UF, and Miami, and had scheduled Alabama in 2023 & 2024. Memphis usually schedules Ole Miss and Arkansas as well.
It is a 2 way street, the G5 can attempt to schedule, but there also has to be willing partner on the other side.
I tend to believe money will determine their direction. Can the G5 as a whole make more money (from ESPN) having their own 16 team playoff rather than having a team or two make the D1 playoffs every couple of years only to be eliminated in the first round? Only ESPN would know that at this point. But what we do know is money is the driving force in college football.
I'd venture to say that, in many if not most instances, G5 teams clear more money playing P4 teams on the road than G5 teams at home. They would be useful as P4 schedule fillers, but not as CFP participants.
Money matters aside (that is for another discussion), since G5 schools are D1, and if they fall within the CFP bracket parameter as set by the CFP committee than I do not have an issue with a G5 schools being included in the playoffs.
I'm with you. I think it should be against the rules for a P4 team to play any team from the FCS or G5. ND is going to load its schedule with weak P4 and G5 teams so it will always have a great regular season record and be ranked in the top 12. Teams getting bowl invitations with 3 P4 wins in a season is a farce.
No problem with playing G5 because they give the same number of scholarships, but FCS ought to be off the table.
It's time to separate FBS. Period.
Maybe even introduce a relegation system:
- 8 conferences of 10 teams
- 9 game conference schedule, do what you want with the other 2 or 3.
- Top 2 in each conference go to a 16-team playoff
- Bottom 2 in each conference are relegated to lower division and replaced with top 2 from each conference in the lower division or the top 16 overall lower division teams, however.
It would be a lot of logistical work for ADs, but would be fun to see play out.
Maybe even introduce a relegation system:
- 8 conferences of 10 teams
- 9 game conference schedule, do what you want with the other 2 or 3.
- Top 2 in each conference go to a 16-team playoff
- Bottom 2 in each conference are relegated to lower division and replaced with top 2 from each conference in the lower division or the top 16 overall lower division teams, however.
It would be a lot of logistical work for ADs, but would be fun to see play out.
8 12 team conferences with 2 divisions each.
9 conference game schedule, other 3 games have to be a team from one of the other 7 conferences
Conferences can determine who represents them in playoff however they want i.e. conference championship game, ranking, head to head, whatever they want.
8 team playoff, three rounds.
Notre Dame gets in a conference or is prohibited from playing in the playoff.
The 40 teams that get left out can drop back to FCS or form another division.
Something like that works. If we would decide the playoff solely on conference winners rather than a group of people selecting them, I wouldn't care who the other 3 games were played against because SOS wouldn't come into play. I don't mind the FCS opponents. Those schools walk away with a huge payday and every once in a while they get an exciting upset that is fun.
The OOC opponents not mattering would lead to better OOC matchups. We would see teams like Michigan, USC, Oregon, etc. be willing to play home and home matchups with SC and other SEC teams. Ticket buyers wouldn't be paying full price to see a baby seal clubbing.
FBS doesn't exist to fund FCS football. If an FCS school can't afford football, they need to drop it.
Many D-II , D-III, and NAIA schools sponsor football. But the unforms likely get used for several years fefore new ones are acquired, i.e., it's not upscale like FBS, specifically, P4 schools.
Nah; byes are gifted. Any ‘earning’ should be done on the field, in the playoffs. As they should be.
Exactly. Seeds are earned. That should be good enough without the gifts