Charlie Brown Christmas banned in Johnson Country School

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W.R.Castle Elementary must have foolish people running this county school. Very glad Paintsville Independent school is their for the enlightened.

Johnson County's school system must be run by idiots.
 
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Superintendent was just following federal guidelines. People let their religious emotions cloud their thinking. What if next year the person in charge of the play wants to do a Muslim play about Mohammad? I bet those same protesters would be out in force to complain.

All these religious zealots that keeps wanting God back in school. Which God do they want?
 

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Superintendent was just following federal guidelines. People let their religious emotions cloud their thinking. What if next year the person in charge of the play wants to do a Muslim play about Mohammad? I bet those same protesters would be out in force to complain.

All these religious zealots that keeps wanting God back in school. Which God do they want?
I assume God is the same if your Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. But the U.S. Was founded on Christian principles so that's the God for most people.
 

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Crazy me. I thought this country was founded on the principles of freedom of (and from) religion. I think they even wrote it down somewhere.
Well if you think that you may want to buy a copy of the federalist papers and find out differently.

The idea was to keep the church and state separate. They did not want a Europe. Never did they declare war on the Christian church as we see now.
 

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I don't think Muslims, Jews, Hindus or whatever are really offended by the Charlie Brown Christmas show. It is actually the left who want there to be no God or authority higher than the government. That said, I think some of these Christian zealots would have us a step or two away from burning non-believers at the stake if they had their way.
 

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Well if you think that you may want to buy a copy of the federalist papers and find out differently.

The idea was to keep the church and state separate. They did not want a Europe. Never did they declare war on the Christian church as we see now.

This. I'm glad to see someone understands. It is really sad to see how far we have strayed from the principles of the founding fathers that built this great nation.
 

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First, there is no war on the Christian Church in this country. Not being able to see Charlie Brown pick out a scraggly Christmas tree at your kids school is not a war. The pilgrims who sailed on the Mayflower were actually fleeing a real war on a religion which ravaged Europe for decades. This wasn't some hokey made-up angst brought ont because some Yuppie didn't have Merry Christmas printed on their Starbucks cup, or some 16 year old cashier at Target wished them a Happy Holidays. People died and lives were destroyed because Christians couldn't decide which brand of their faith was the best one. This is why most of the colonies that were started here had language in their charters guaranteeing Freedom of Religion and it is also why that philosophy extended into the Constitution when it was written.

As for the Fedealist Papers, they were a series of essays written by three individuals. The one that gets trotted out as some sort of argument against a speration of Church and State was written by Hamilton. This argument, as well as many of the others he put forth in his Fedealist essays, was rejected. Instead most of the founding fathers, including Jefferson and Adams argued what we have today. James Madison, the author of many of the Fedearlist Papers, as well as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights said specifically:

  • Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform
Add this to 200+ years of legal precedence and Congressional legislation and there is no confusion as to where this nation stands in regards to freedom of Religion. There are plenty of Nations in this world with official religions. If that is the world you want to live in then feel free to pick one. Fortunately I live in a country that doesn't make that requirement.
 

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They should just counter the Charlie Brown Christmas Special by offering some of the following:

  • Charlie Brown: Jihad Christmas
  • IT'S MOTHAF@#$IN' RAMADAN CHARLIE BROWN!
  • A CHARLIE BRO KWANZAA DIRECTOR'S CUT
 

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Christmas is a FEDERAL holiday. Yes, it's origins are certainly religious, and that religion is certainly Christianity....but it is a FEDERAL holiday.

That fact never gets mentioned.
 
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Well if you think that you may want to buy a copy of the federalist papers and find out differently.

The idea was to keep the church and state separate. They did not want a Europe. Never did they declare war on the Christian church as we see now.
War on the Christian church? Haha last time I checked no one was closing churches down.
 

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First, there is no war on the Christian Church in this country. Not being able to see Charlie Brown pick out a scraggly Christmas tree at your kids school is not a war. The pilgrims who sailed on the Mayflower were actually fleeing a real war on a religion which ravaged Europe for decades. This wasn't some hokey made-up angst brought ont because some Yuppie didn't have Merry Christmas printed on their Starbucks cup, or some 16 year old cashier at Target wished them a Happy Holidays. People died and lives were destroyed because Christians couldn't decide which brand of their faith was the best one. This is why most of the colonies that were started here had language in their charters guaranteeing Freedom of Religion and it is also why that philosophy extended into the Constitution when it was written.

As for the Fedealist Papers, they were a series of essays written by three individuals. The one that gets trotted out as some sort of argument against a speration of Church and State was written by Hamilton. This argument, as well as many of the others he put forth in his Fedealist essays, was rejected. Instead most of the founding fathers, including Jefferson and Adams argued what we have today. James Madison, the author of many of the Fedearlist Papers, as well as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights said specifically:

  • Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform
Add this to 200+ years of legal precedence and Congressional legislation and there is no confusion as to where this nation stands in regards to freedom of Religion. There are plenty of Nations in this world with official religions. If that is the world you want to live in then feel free to pick one. Fortunately I live in a country that doesn't make that requirement.
I hope the folks posting in this thread take the time to read this. They might gain a little perspective.
 
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Like when originally it was okay to own slaves, and women didn't have the right to vote? Oh, those great principles!

Or the principles they founded so you can say things like this and keep your head. Don't forget they explained your human rights so half of this country is allowed by God To say ridiculous things.
 

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First, there is no war on the Christian Church in this country. Not being able to see Charlie Brown pick out a scraggly Christmas tree at your kids school is not a war. The pilgrims who sailed on the Mayflower were actually fleeing a real war on a religion which ravaged Europe for decades. This wasn't some hokey made-up angst brought ont because some Yuppie didn't have Merry Christmas printed on their Starbucks cup, or some 16 year old cashier at Target wished them a Happy Holidays. People died and lives were destroyed because Christians couldn't decide which brand of their faith was the best one. This is why most of the colonies that were started here had language in their charters guaranteeing Freedom of Religion and it is also why that philosophy extended into the Constitution when it was written.

As for the Fedealist Papers, they were a series of essays written by three individuals. The one that gets trotted out as some sort of argument against a speration of Church and State was written by Hamilton. This argument, as well as many of the others he put forth in his Fedealist essays, was rejected. Instead most of the founding fathers, including Jefferson and Adams argued what we have today. James Madison, the author of many of the Fedearlist Papers, as well as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights said specifically:

  • Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform
Add this to 200+ years of legal precedence and Congressional legislation and there is no confusion as to where this nation stands in regards to freedom of Religion. There are plenty of Nations in this world with official religions. If that is the world you want to live in then feel free to pick one. Fortunately I live in a country that doesn't make that requirement.

You cannot be serious that there's not a war/bias against Christians? That's utter nonsense. It's every single day and the difference in how the left treats Christians and Muslims is night and day.

With Christians, they get the country freaking out over Chick-Fil-A, Duck Dynasty, Christian bakers not wanting to make a cake for a gay wedding and focus on someone like Kim Davis. They get called biggots and attacked. Have the ACLU and Atheist organizations banning nativity scenes and Christmas plays but meanwhile...

They constantly take up for Muslims and never have the balls to take them on anything.

It's such hypocrisy.

And it's amazing how it has been amped up full throttle in recent history. It's amazing that we didn't have this constant crap 20-30 years ago. Now every special interest group runs the show.

The truth is this country was founded upon Christian principles. That was the main reason to even come over here so they could practice it and not be like Europe. Along the way we have had this interpretation of freedom from religion. Nope. Freedom of religion.
 

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Christmas is a FEDERAL holiday. Yes, it's origins are certainly religious, and that religion is certainly Christianity....but it is a FEDERAL holiday.

That fact never gets mentioned.

Our entire calendar system we use is based on Jesus Christ.

Also, the pagan roots and complete story has been blindly accepted because of two authors in the 18th century. But it's amazing how many errors they made while this was blindly accepted by atheist.
 
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An interesting historical review of why Christmas is a holiday that I found:

"Because Grant declared Christmas a federal holiday in 1870, before the Unites States of America became a Federalized nation.

Grant's declaration ONLY had impact on Federal citizens, and the only Federal citizens were Federal Employees and their families.
Like...Soldiers, and staff of, what would be Washington D.C. Federal Government in the following year (1871; the year D.C. was founded as such instead of a capital within a township; I'm not referring to when D.C. became the capital, but the year it annexed everything into the territory line we know today, and removed independent contracting of the township by taking the township as it's own).

It was intended to state that the residents of this Federal system (a very small percent of the nation...it's like one district of Microsoft declaring Christmas a Holiday for it's employees) would have the day off.

Instead, later, to process the New Deal of 1936, everyone was issues a Social Security Number and taxed.
The tax was to then return in social programs to help recover the welfare of the citizens of the American States.

Previously, on the US Military had service numbers, which were then replaced by the new Social Security Number when everyone received one.

This process of getting the Federal Administration involved into jurisdiction across state citizenship lines, caused the occurrence whereby everyone had to be a Federal Citizen to receive the Social Security Number.

Tit-for-Tat.

"If you want the benefits, then you need to be in my administrative control for me to be able to give you benefits."
More or less.

Which meant, yep, everyone that had a Social Security Number also fell under Federal Law.
And one of the Federal Laws was a recognition of Christmas as a Federal Citizen holiday.

So what was, pretty much, a Military and Federal Staff holiday became an instant national Holiday.

Christmas wasn't a national Holiday in America previous to all of this.
Many people recognized Christmas, yes, and they took the day "off", just like they took Sunday's off mostly, but they didn't really force people to shut down or anything like that like occurred in some places in the late 40's and 50's.

And I'm not sure if any State previously made it a State holiday, but I kind of doubt it.
The East was too progressive, and the West didn't like government saying anything about mandates.

Perhaps in Central America, but again...that was largely plains country so declaring anything like that for central American States was like saying, "Hey, you can give yourself the day off on this day", so I doubt any central State would have either.

The South was a bit too busy in a clash of the plains life of the central American States and the progressive life of the Eastern states, and would have held it more as an expectation that you would properly recognize Christ on Christmas as is the natural Christian thing to do.
In short...no "boss" would make you really work if he was a proper southern man.

So there's your reason.

It's a Federal Holiday because of Grant, and we're all Federal Citizens because of Roosevelt.
Honestly...it was happenstance that it's a 'National Holiday'."
 
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I'm not religious.

I will say that I understand that people don't want religion involved in the school systems. This is a Christmas play though and the only reason it's a holiday is due to it celebrating the birth of Jesus.

Religious or not it's considered JC's birthday. Hard to celebrate without mentioning his name or what it's about.

Christmas isn't a holiday for Santa Clause
 

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You always know it's time for the holidays when Christians are out bitching in full force. More like UNMERRY Christmas!!!!


And Christmas is not a Christian holiday. It was taken straight from the Pagans. End of discussion. Just like the Christians ripped off the cross from early Egyptians. Christian religion has "borrowed" so many earlier traditions and brain washed everyone to believing that that they created it.
 
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The truth is this country was founded upon Christian principles. That was the main reason to even come over here so they could practice it and not be like Europe. Along the way we have had this interpretation of freedom from religion. Nope. Freedom of religion.

Would you feel that you had freedom of religion if your child's government run school opened every day with prayers to Allah?
 
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You cannot be serious that there's not a war/bias against Christians? That's utter nonsense. It's every single day and the difference in how the left treats Christians and Muslims is night and day.

With Christians, they get the country freaking out over Chick-Fil-A, Duck Dynasty, Christian bakers not wanting to make a cake for a gay wedding and focus on someone like Kim Davis. They get called biggots and attacked.

You're confusing people judging you and not liking you because of your actions with persecution for your beliefs.

And we defend Muslims when they, for instance, want to build themselves a mosque to worship in while city zoning boards try to prevent it. We defend freedom OF religion. Freedom to worship, to believe, to gather in spaces for worship, to speak your mind and use your own property to display your beliefs. We oppose using public money and facilities for any promotion of religious messages. We don't defend Muslims in cases such as trying to lead public school classes or sports teams in Muslim prayer or breaking the law by discriminating.
 

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You always know it's time for the holidays when Christians are out bitching in full force. More like UNMERRY Christmas!!!!


And Christmas is not a Christian holiday. It was taken straight from the Pagans. End of discussion. Just like the Christians ripped off the cross from early Egyptians. Christian religion has "borrowed" so many earlier traditions and brain washed everyone to believing that that they created it.

You are right about the roots, but they didn't exactly steal it. Emperor Constantine, in an attempt to save the Roman Empire, adopted Christianity as the official religion, with a nod to the pagan sun worshippers. The Christianity we have today is a compromise between the two. Basically, the Roman Empire became the Roman Catholic church, and the protestants broke off from it. It's funny how there is a large obelisk right there at the Vatican, and nobody questions it Willy.
 

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For the love of Saturn, RACK THIS

I agree, Just Do It. :D
 

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You are right about the roots, but they didn't exactly steal it. Emperor Constantine, in an attempt to save the Roman Empire, adopted Christianity as the official religion, with a nod to the pagan sun worshippers. The Christianity we have today is a compromise between the two. Basically, the Roman Empire became the Roman Catholic church, and the protestants broke off from it. It's funny how there is a large obelisk right there at the Vatican, and nobody questions it Willy.


Thanks for going in depth Elwood. Great post. I think the term for borrowing traditions from culture to another is called transference or transcedence?
 

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The things on the list of things that bother leftist gets funnier and funnier the older I get.

Lefties at Yale signing up to do away with the first amendment.

Today it is Charlie Brown (not only Christian but Anglo Saxon..... the horror)! Instead kids would prefer to watch:

Moisha Brownstein's Hanukah? Akhmed Abdullah celebrates Ramadan by blowing himself up!
 

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Superintendent was just following federal guidelines. People let their religious emotions cloud their thinking. What if next year the person in charge of the play wants to do a Muslim play about Mohammad? I bet those same protesters would be out in force to complain.

All these religious zealots that keeps wanting God back in school. Which God do they want?
The one that is in the movie. The God of the Bible. Not sure what is so hard to understand. The movie has been playing for nearly half a century. This is just libs being libs. There is no Christmas movie about Mohammad...