Overgeneralize much?becoming one of the better non sequitur threads in recent memory. Keep up the good work gang. lol.
One note of irony in this culture of "religion must be kept out" (a culture I agree with at the core principle, actually) is that it is perpetuated by a modern sect that in forms will widely protect other cultures' right to come in and, when they do, will not come in without it (religion), will not come in without being hell bent on implementing their version of it, any and every stinking where they may. It is as if this process applies the principle of for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So, truly, if these persons are driven to keep religion out of our schools and our public institutions what should their real purpose be during these times? Otherwise, honestly, they are just jerking themselves off in these discussions. Not men enough to do much else. Charlie Brown? Easy target.
Among the earth dwellers who practice the form of religion recognized as Christianity are, in modern times, a mostly civilized people who have advanced beyond many periods of refinement, and who are now in the 21st Century fully prepared, for the most part, to acquiesce to the logic of separation. However, among the earth dwellers who practice the religion recognized as Islam are a people who remain largely tribalized, and who are not in the least prepared to similarly relent. These two distinctions are a logical as the talking points being made herein as the basis of separation between government and religion. The risk implied also.
We cannot continue to demand sacrifices and fine tuning from ourselves while at the same time maintain a revolving door, red-carpet, open manifest for cultures who will not accept any, and not expect to eventually lose. For the love of God, what side are some of you people on?
Many of the most outspoken secularists/atheists in modern Western media are some of the staunchest opponents of Islam in both its radical and "moderate" form. Maher, Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens (RIP), deGrasse Tyson, etc etc.
But who comes to the defense of Islam when they're whining about being offended? The touching pope himself (as seen in his comments after the Charlie Hebdo massacre). The Archbishop of Canterbury (as seen in his comments after the protests ignited by the Danish cartoons).
You won't see too many secularists defending Islam's encroachment on free speech. Only religion's Powerful dare do that (and get away with it).