Charlie Moore to DePaul
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A question for Heywood, is how involved was NU in this deal. I sort of doubt he could get by admissions having transferred twice in three years. It tells me Collins is sticking with plan to bring another guard in 2020, possibly Steward, who has been around the scene for couple of years.
Heywood, another thought might Rick Malnatti be involved in the vacant assistant job.
Heywood, another thought might Rick Malnatti be involved in the vacant assistant job.
that is tough because i think NU has a better playing situation than DePaul who is heavy on experienced guards who have played a lot of minutes.
its not surprising as I have heard Moore is connected closely with DePaul. So while it may have been a better playing opportunity in Evanston, the recruitment was starting from scratch for NU compared to DePaul which had preexisting relationships there.
as Medill pointed out i said this a few weeks ago - NU is in tough spot for transfers this year. Most can see the rebuild situation - so the kid has to be ok with that. and transfer competition is tougher than it has ever been as blue blood programs are jumping on the bandwagon.
Academic admissions is also not a given even if a kid is in good standing at his current school. NU has had to decline several transfer opportunities this year from kids looking to transfer.
its not surprising as I have heard Moore is connected closely with DePaul. So while it may have been a better playing opportunity in Evanston, the recruitment was starting from scratch for NU compared to DePaul which had preexisting relationships there.
as Medill pointed out i said this a few weeks ago - NU is in tough spot for transfers this year. Most can see the rebuild situation - so the kid has to be ok with that. and transfer competition is tougher than it has ever been as blue blood programs are jumping on the bandwagon.
Academic admissions is also not a given even if a kid is in good standing at his current school. NU has had to decline several transfer opportunities this year from kids looking to transfer.
Consider me frustrated. Less by the Moore news specifically (although he would have filled a position of immediate need) than to hear that NU has had to turn away “several” transfers who were in good standing and looking to potentially come to Evanston. I’m all for having high standards but there just has to be some leniency. I honestly don’t know how NU can ever expect to be consistently in the top half of the Big Ten when starting from such a disadvantage, unless Collins just starts hitting on all his first-round offers.
Correct. DePaul is trash. Torvik has them ranked at #140 next year, below NU at #127
http://barttorvik.com/trankpre.php
true - they have a returning roster that is 1) mostly upperclassmen (including several high mpg which i is why i think its a weird choice) 2) mostly intact compared to NU bringing in up to 7 new players
and there is a connection to DePaul staff vs no connection to NU staff
The grad transfers would be role players anyway, NU isn’t Going to be good next year with them. Take your lumps and show a bunch of individual growth for the following season, I am fine saving the scholarship and reeping the awards as this year’s class gets to be upperclassmen. Benson decision mucked up things further.
Forced NU into a baptism-by-fire scenario for Young and Jones. Maybe it'll help us in the long run, but it could be ugly next year.
there clearly is leniency because bball players have MUCH lower admission standards than the overall student body.
If it didn’t, you would not have an athletic department. I guess an Ivy League one, but even they reduce requirements to a lesser extent.
Uh, next year is going to be ugly regardless. And with just 9 scholarship players at this point.....
Always amazes me that so many universities seem to have the academic leadership at odds with the athletic leadership, when the relationship can be mutually beneficial as long as there are the proper controls in place.
Strong athletic performance can provide a university with good PR that also benefits the academic institution. (For example, Butler University! They saw exponential growth in applicants in the years following the consecutive national title appearances. Allowed them to simultaneously grow their incoming classes, while also decreasing their acceptance rate. Other schools that come to mind are Gonzaga and Wichita State - schools who’s public awareness (due to athletics) is much higher than it would be based on academics alone).
University leaders everywhere should recognize that athletics can be an excellent advertisement for your university. Having reasonably low standards for athletes is a good investment, especially when you consider how small of a pool of the students we are talking about. A few hundred athletes aren’t going to move the needle on the academic profile of the university as a whole. But strong athletic programs? That will.
Conversely, you can’t just “give away the farm” and allow any athletic prospect in with total disregard for standards. Moderation and strong leadership is key, otherwise you can do harm to your university (see: Baylor, USC).
Jim Phillips always speaks about athletics being the "front porch" of the university. I think NU has taken steps to adjust academic requirements for athletes. Perhaps there is still more to be done for basketball.
Time will tell.
Are there publicly available admissions standards for athletes at the various D1 schools, or is it more of a case by case basis dependent on the talent level of the athlete and the desperation of the coaches?
I admit I’m curious what NU’s actual standards are as different posters seem to hold different beliefs as to where the minimum bar lies. And I have no idea, I was under the impression the standard was the same for general admissions.
I admit I’m curious what NU’s actual standards are as different posters seem to hold different beliefs as to where the minimum bar lies. And I have no idea, I was under the impression the standard was the same for general admissions.
I believe the only common standards is NCAA minimums.
Some schools have an entirely separate set of standards for athletes (as demonstrated by the Aunt Becky admissions scandal). Some maintain that athletes have to meet the same standards as general student admissions. Some schools use the general admissions standards but allow a limited number of “waivers” available for to athletic department to use to get particularly talented prospects in under reduced academic standards.
I don’t believe the specifics of any particular school’s process are typically made public, but it’s often easy to infer.
Wow. DePaul is no blue blood. And as mentioned earlier - we get rejected because we are in a rebuild situation? But, somehow DePaul isn't?
I've been a CCC fan this whole time, but the fact is this can't be anything but demoralizing to lose a recruit to DePaul. It's almost as bad as losing a kid to William & Mary.
DePaul has become the 3rd banana of the Mac Irvin Fire sweepstakes (behind Kansas and uofi). So its not that surprising. Depaul has decided to play ball in the Chicago circuit, something that NU has not for unspecified but I assume admiral reasons.
On the bright side it leaves a big time 2020 lead guard on the table, which I find more exciting than 1 or 2 years of Charlie Moore.
Moore's decision making process hasn't exactly been stellar- DePaul will be his third school already lol
Bingo. CCC needs a young lead guard in the 2020 class to match up with some surprisingly strong young pups that will be on the roster in 2020 and beyond. If I had the choice, I would even pass on Javon and take instead a quality LG freshman in 2020. Nance, Kopp, Jones, Beran and Bamisile are well recognized recruits. A nice opportunity for a top 2020 LG to come in and have an instant impact.
Then we shoot for the stars in 2021.
GOUNUII
Hey, there’s an idea. Maybe CCC can use that pitch to try recruit 5 studs to come in, take over and bring this unheralded program into national relevance.
I'm not going to revel in the fact that a young man may have used athletics to gain admittance to NU, and graduating from NU might have changed the direction of his life.
Frankly, it's a concept I'd like to see both Admissions and CPS players get on board with.
There have been too many DePaul players who post college did nothing career-wise. I can't think of that many NU grads who aren't doing well.
Lots of assumptions here about Moore’s life, and his future... Part of the perception issues among Chicago kids towards NU might be because they don’t want to be viewed as a charity case?
I come from roughly the same neighborhood as Moore...I have siblings who went to the same high school. I have a fair understanding of the spectrum in which Moore's life situation fits.
My bias is relative to NU. I think these young men will do better with the NU experience and an NU degree than with, say DePaul or U of I. I've detailed this in the past.
That is not a charity situation and shouldn't be perceived as such. As anyone on NU's team can tell you, they have to do the class work, so they will earn their degrees.
And I think the notion that CPS kids think NU may view them as charity cases is complete nonsense.
In this age of the transfer: we are not exactly in the worst shape with 9 at this point and already one on board for 2020. A lot lf teams are short players at this point; maybe not quite as bad as Nevada: whose entire team is in the transfer portal, but close.
I will boldly predict that we will be up to at least 11 scholarship players by the beginning of the season once the transfer market has sorted itself out...