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GnarlsBarkley

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Clearly you didn't get the memo about PEAK OIL.

I personally do not prefer the German style of knives. I much prefer the Japanese style. They tend to be slightly shorter and the blades are considerably thinner. There are drawbacks, of course, but the Japanese are meticulous and have done some incredible things with laminating (I think that is the right word) different types of steels together so the spine of the knife is incredibly rigid while the actual blade is softer and thus does not chip and takes an edge easily.

I find that Japanese knives cut much better.

To each their own, but you can get incredible deals on Japanese knives on ebay.

I converted my wustof set to the Japanese angle and like them much better. I'm looking into something like this for sharpening.

 
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Fun fact, Forged In Fire is the show that caused a local village to almost burn to thre ground because some resident meth head tried to build sword with a trashcan fire in his back yard.


What's kinda funny, Cohoes was a total ******** before.. and since half (yes half) of it burned down, they've kind of rebuilt it and it's starting to get some nice establishments. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but I also wouldn't be shocked if the mayor paid this guy a hundo to basically set fire to the city and start anew.
 

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Almost just want to change the title of this and make it a general knife thread. Good info, and I appreciate it. At this point, I think I'll get a German and Japanese knife. You guys put me down the rabbit hole, and honestly, I see the utility of both.

I have to have a somewhat traditional curved chef knife, because I'm more of a rock chopper when I prep. Wish they'd hurry and deposit my TrumpBux so I could treat myself...
 

LineSkiCat14

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Almost just want to change the title of this and make it a general knife thread. Good info, and I appreciate it. At this point, I think I'll get a German and Japanese knife. You guys put me down the rabbit hole, and honestly, I see the utility of both.

I have to have a somewhat traditional curved chef knife, because I'm more of a rock chopper when I prep. Wish they'd hurry and deposit my TrumpBux so I could treat myself...


I feel like a lot of this debate is splitting hairs. Just don't buy something super cheap, although even that, some Chefs swear by that "$10 Harbor Freight knife".. I think as long as you take care of them and sharpen them, you'll be good with whatever you buy.
 

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Almost just want to change the title of this and make it a general knife thread. Good info, and I appreciate it. At this point, I think I'll get a German and Japanese knife. You guys put me down the rabbit hole, and honestly, I see the utility of both.

I have to have a somewhat traditional curved chef knife, because I'm more of a rock chopper when I prep. Wish they'd hurry and deposit my TrumpBux so I could treat myself...



I'd be fine with starting a general knife thread. Pocket knives, hunting blades, self defense, kitchen, survival/camp, utility, etc. It'd be a good discussion.
 

Anon1711055878

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Fire up that spinoff thread. I'd imagine plenty of posters around here have something to add to the conversation that aren't clicking into this one because they don't cook for a hobby.
 

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I feel like a lot of this debate is splitting hairs. Just don't buy something super cheap, although even that, some Chefs swear by that "$10 Harbor Freight knife".. I think as long as you take care of them and sharpen them, you'll be good with whatever you buy.



Very much agree with this. A good knife bought at Walmart (KitchenAid, Farberware, Oster, etc) and well maintained will perform better than a much more expensive Wusthof/Henckels that is not well maintained.
 

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Sharpening is my big weakness. I have a two sided stone but I just feel clumsy using it. Also have a 3 sided diamond wand and a honing steel. I'm pretty good with those two but once a year or so I'd like to put a razor back on all my kinves. Any links to instructional videos for sharpening?
 
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Sharpening is my big weakness. I have a two sided stone but I just feel clumsy using it. Also have a 3 sided diamond wand and a honing steel. I'm pretty good with those two but once a year or so I'd like to put a razor back on all my kinves. Any links to instructional videos for sharpening?

Same here, I started with a whet stone but got frustrated. After I got the Global set I realized I prefered the Japanese angle over the european style so I bought the Chefs Choice "Trizor" electric sharpener. It does alright but I feel like they could be sharper.
 

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I converted my wustof set to the Japanese angle and like them much better. I'm looking into something like this for sharpening.

I'm not a fan of those sharpening systems. The angle and pitch of the sharpening stone is static with the guide, but on larger or straighter blades it doesn't allow them to follow the edge of the blade.

In other words, that sharpener will screw up your knife permanently.

I had a buddy bring me his 8" chef knife he had sharpened with one if those and the bevel was different at the belly of the blade than it was across the point, and at the base if the blade there was a gouge where the stone angle changed so drastically it cut into the edge.
 

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I always thought the electric took off too much metal. I know deck hands across the world love them but they're also using seasonal use knives and need a quick sharp edge everyday.
 

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I always thought the electric took off too much metal. I know deck hands across the world love them but they're also using seasonal use knives and need a quick sharp edge everyday.
I dont like electric sharpeners at all on a high quality blade. They take off too much too quick, and at that speed the heat built up can change the temper of the edge.
 
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Aside from some honing, I feel like I'll probably just bring them to someone. Feels like it's worth it and less a chance I do actual damage.
 
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Knives just got here. Woo, even more impressed with this company. Packaging, knife block, the weight and balance are choice. One of my concerns was that the logo and company info took up a big portion of the blade (see my photos earlier), but that must have just been for marketing purposes on their website, because the etching is about half the size.

And damn, you never really know how crappy and dull your knife is until you use something that's properly sharpened.
 
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I bought this in 2013. Best knife I have ever had.

Tojiro Santuko

Also, for $15 this bad boy is hard to beat. If we travel, I take one of these. Cuts just as good (or better because of the thin but rigid steel) as any expensive knife and isn't a big deal if you lose it. I wouldn't trade it for any of the knives posted above.

Rada Chef's Knife

Of course, I have my own wetstones and hand sharpen my knives every three or four months unlike the rest of you f**s so I get my bragging points from the utility of my knives and not the price point.

I have a Tojiro Gyotou, excellent knife

 

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My Japanese knife is a Zelite Infinity 7” Santoku. I like it, but the Wusthof blades handle everything well enough
 
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Sharpening is my big weakness. I have a two sided stone but I just feel clumsy using it. Also have a 3 sided diamond wand and a honing steel. I'm pretty good with those two but once a year or so I'd like to put a razor back on all my kinves. Any links to instructional videos for sharpening?

Stones are hard to get right, I did manage to get about half of the blade sharpened up to where it would dry shave on my arm but not the whole thing. I get a decent amount of practice a few times a year sharpening all of the cheaper knives to a lesser edge (my wife is afraid of using a SUPER sharp knife) but... yeah, it's tough. I have two double sided ones, a 400/1000 and a 1000/6000.
 

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That sharpening place still exist in S Matthew’s? Hermindingers or some ****...Brought my Wustoffs there.

I guess I’m the only one rocking the Swedish steel. Gonna try to find a good place round these parts to sharpen my kit.
 

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Sharpening is my big weakness. I have a two sided stone but I just feel clumsy using it. Also have a 3 sided diamond wand and a honing steel. I'm pretty good with those two but once a year or so I'd like to put a razor back on all my kinves. Any links to instructional videos for sharpening?

If you are uncomfortable with sharpening, you can get a good two sided leather strop with compound and strop your knife 20 times per side every month or every time they get dull. That will lengthen the time between getting your knife professionally sharpened and keep them pristine for daily use.

Strop
 

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Ended up purchasing the Bob Kramer Zwilling Damascus steel. Just went to take a look and as soon as I put it in my hand my wallet was done for. Haven't used it yet.

I also picked up 400 and 1000 grit whetstones. Plan on just doing the marker trick on the edge of some of my cheap blades to learn proper sharpening. The tutorials on youtube make it look super easy, but I'd venture that it takes some practice.
 

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My favorite tip for sharpening is to check the edge for a reflection. Hold the knife with the blade pointing up toward a bright light, or better yet the sun. Rotate it slightly toward yourself to see if you get any reflections from the very edge. You'll be surprised how many imperfections show up this way.

Also, if you aren't honing after sharpening (and before cutting) then you aren't doing it right. Gotta get everything lined up right to maximize performance.
 

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My favorite tip for sharpening is to check the edge for a reflection. Hold the knife with the blade pointing up toward a bright light, or better yet the sun. Rotate it slightly toward yourself to see if you get any reflections from the very edge. You'll be surprised how many imperfections show up this way.

Also, if you aren't honing after sharpening (and before cutting) then you aren't doing it right. Gotta get everything lined up right to maximize performance.

You're supposed to hone before every time using the knife, right? I need to start getting in the habit of that.
 

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You're supposed to hone before every time using the knife, right? I need to start getting in the habit of that.
It lines up the edge set that you get a cleaner cut. A properly sharpened blade is extremely thin at the edge of the blade, so cutting anything can cause it to slightly move in different directions which will reduce its performance.
 
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Huge props to Wustof. Straight up replaced basically an entire set of 14 year old knives because the handle material was all cracked. So now I have a new chefs, utility, pairing, bread and filet. Amazing.


As for sharpening, since I'm working on a lot of knives from blunt edges, I went with the Ken Onion Work Sharp. Should work fine on my other blades as the final belt is essentially a strop. My arms almost died trying to take a blunt tool steel to razor sharp with whetstone.

 

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I can’t help but notice all you guys missed the greatest kitchen knives known to man. The Ginsu knife collection is without debate the greatest ever produced. I cut a house brick in half then Sheetrock, washed it off the cut a fully ripe tomato into razor thin slices 🍺
 
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Japanese knives and chisels are made from laminated steel, whereas German knives and western chisels, are typically made from a single steel. The point of lamination is to balance being able to create a hard, sharp edge, with a knife or chisel that isn't brittle. Hard steel holds an edge better, but is more brittle and is harder to sharpen. The softer steel is laminated on the outside of the knife with the hard steel in the middle where the edge will be formed. On a chisel the soft steel is on the outside and the hard steel is on the inside where the edge will be formed. The soft steel creates a more flexible spine so the knife or chisel will be less prone to breaking under stress. The hard steel is on the edge so it holds an edge very well. However, because Japanese knives and chisels use very hard steel on the edge, they are more prone to chipping than German knives and western chisels. The reason German knives seem to be less maintenance is because they use steel that is less hard and less brittle than Japanese knives and chisels. They won't hold an edge as well, but they can take more abuse without chipping.

But do you know the riddle of steel ? 🍺