Chris Paul finally traded. For real this time.
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They got the best deal possible. Eric Gordon is one of the ost under rated players in the league and they get a lottery pick as Sesh said. Kaman is a solid big man. You had to move Paul becuase he was leaving anyway and you would get nothing for him. While Martin would have been a good pick up, Odom is soft and Scola is as over rated as Gordon is underrated.
uh, the clips deal is far better than the lakers deal. gordon is a young up and coming player they can market and build around. kaman can give 10 and 10 in the post, and they get a good 1st round pick in a loaded draft. scola is a role player, martin is good, but older than gordon and doesn't have gordon's ceiling, and odom is old and isn't shy about half-assing it on the court when he isn't happy, and trust me, he wouldn't have been happy about being shipped to the hornets.
The Hornets would've been good going forward with either trade. This current one is a really good one for them as well.
that Orlando turned down 5 first round picks from the nets et al to try and keep Dwight Howard. Is howard really worth that much, he's got no mid range game. If he can't get to the rim a lot he's screwed.
and it doesn't look like we'll see another player on his level for a while. He is the kind of player that organizations would much rather build around instead of just give up (of course.. 5 first round picks isn't "just giving up").
"Far better"? I agree that long term the Clipper deal may turn out better but short term the Laker/Rocket deal would pay bigger dividends and was less risky.
Scola 18 pts 8.2 rb 1.4 ast
Martin 23 pts 3.5 rb 2.0 ast
Odom 14 pts 8.7rbs 3.o ast
Kaman 12 pts 7.0 rbs 1.4ast
Gordon 22pts 2.9rbs 4.4ast
Aminu 5.6pts 3.3rb 0.7ast</p>
Scola 18 pts 8.2 rb 1.4 ast
Martin 23 pts 3.5 rb 2.0 ast
Odom 14 pts 8.7rbs 3.o ast
Kaman 12 pts 7.0 rbs 1.4ast
Gordon 22pts 2.9rbs 4.4ast
Aminu 5.6pts 3.3rb 0.7ast</p>
And the only reason you say it would have been better was because it would have helped turn LA into a super team. Quit acting like you are upset about what happened to the Hornets
I don't know why you're throwing a tantrum in NO's defense when they may actually be better off with this current deal. The only thing you seem to be bitter about is losing out on Paul.
Of course I wanted Paul to go to the Lakers but I don't like the commissioner getting involved with who goes where. The Lakers, whether you like em or not, had a fair trade on the table that all three teams wanted to make and would benefit from. Stern inexplicably vetoed it because he wants superstars going to lesser teams. Good organizations like the Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, andSpurs have been able to stay on top by making good front office moves and now Stern is trying to level the playing field.
How would you like it if Bud Selig stepped in a few years ago and told the Yankees that they could not get A-Rod but A-Rod could go to the Brewers if he wanted to?</p>
How would you like it if Bud Selig stepped in a few years ago and told the Yankees that they could not get A-Rod but A-Rod could go to the Brewers if he wanted to?</p>
but dont throw all of this fake outrage that New Orleans got screwed, when you could really care less about that. And I still the last thing the NBA needs are 3-4 super teams. I was hoping there would have been something in the new CBA that would have stopped this. This whole thing with players demanding to be traded to certain teams is ********. It should be up to the teams where they can get the best deal to send these people, whether it be LA or Charlotte
Fair enough. I just hope this is not a precedent when Boston or Chicago get ready to make a big trade in the future. If a team has a good front office that can make deals then they should be rewarded for it and not have a different set of rules to play by.
Teams in smaller markets like Memphis, Dallas, and OKC canstill competewithout Stern meddling in their affairs. </p>
Teams in smaller markets like Memphis, Dallas, and OKC canstill competewithout Stern meddling in their affairs. </p>
i don't think you can compare the hornets' situation with any other in professional sports. the franchise is owned by the league who saved it from going belly up. that is the only reason the commish is involved in the paul trade, not because he arbitrarily stuck his nose in and started calling the shots. the clips deal is far better for the long term health and marketability of the hornets. i don't care about lining up PPGs and RPGs and what not. lamar odom is 32 years old. kevin martin is 28. scola is 31. the hornets aren't gonna win this year, so outside of martin, would odom and scola even be worth a damn in 3 years? hell even martin, lots of guys fall apart between 28 and 31, no guarantee he maintains a 20+ ppg scoring avg. eric gordon on the other hand turns 23 on christmas day. he'll be under hornets control another 4-5 years and conceivably could be their cornerstone for the next decade. AND the hornets saved like $40M in payroll, which anyone knows is good business when you are shopping a franchise.Hanmudog said:
you mean draft well and hope the superstar that they might eventually land is more duncan and less basically every other superstar in the NBA? <div>Hanmudog said:
</div><div>also, durant hasn't hit his unrestricted free agency yet. everyone touts his extension, but in reality everyone takes the extension for their restricted free agency year because it's by far the best deal. when he's an unrestricted free agent we'll see if he really loves OKC or if he'll get the bright lights in his eyes.</div><div>
</div><div>also, dallas is not memphis, NOLA, OKC, portland, milwaukee, etc. in terms of market. they might not quite be one of the chosen franchises, but they are in the top 10. but again, they have had their "duncan" in nowitzki and they have the most recognized and supportive owner in the NBA (all of sports?) in cuban. </div><div>
</div><div>memphis doesn't have an elite superstar. they have good talent across the board, but they don't have a superstar. they'll make some noise, but when it comes down to it, i don't foresee them winning any titles or even making a finals appearance. the only non-superstar team in the past decade to even make the finals was the pistons and they were arguably the best (dirtiest?) defensive team ever.</div>
dawgs said:
I like the trade. The Hornets need to step back, rebuild with youth, and get an owner in here. Kaman may end up being moved for another 1st rounder to a team that must win now. Gordon seems to be the perfect player for this franchise right now. Quiet, hard-working, productive. He may not realize yet but he's in a good spot.
from what i understood, the trade was proposed and informally agreed by the franchises (or whoever is ultimately calling the shots for the hornets) and then had to be signed off by the rest of the NBA owners, since ultimately they own a 1/30th (or whatever) % stake in the hornets since the hornets are currently owned by the league. enough owners had issues with the lakers deal (likely for some of the same reasons i laid out) and expressed those issues to stern and the deal was called off.Hanmudog said: