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Enjoyable show last night.

- A lot of debuts

- Hate that Ryder. I was hoping they were going to run with him as IC champ.

- Are the Wyatt's faces now? Seems like that's what the crowd wants. Might as well try it for a bit.

- [laughing] at Bubba Ray going off on the time keeper

- Last night is what they need to do with Reigns - don't know if it will work, but run with that.

- AJ Styles is the #1 contender.

Guess since the next PPV is in Chicago and those fans are going to boo Reigns might as well throw in a guy they will cheer into it.

- Have a feeling that VKM is going to come back on TV next week pissed that AJ is the #1 contender - continuing the Vince/Shane angle.
 

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AJ won't see the title match...Rollins is back sooner rather than later. The booking now is going week by week and
Enjoyable show last night.

- A lot of debuts

- Hate that Ryder. I was hoping they were going to run with him as IC champ.

- Are the Wyatt's faces now? Seems like that's what the crowd wants. Might as well try it for a bit.

- [laughing] at Bubba Ray going off on the time keeper

- Last night is what they need to do with Reigns - don't know if it will work, but run with that.

- AJ Styles is the #1 contender.

Guess since the next PPV is in Chicago and those fans are going to boo Reigns might as well throw in a guy they will cheer into it.

- Have a feeling that VKM is going to come back on TV next week pissed that AJ is the #1 contender - continuing the Vince/Shane angle.

Agree about VKM...who does he make AJ wrestle to keep that #1 contender spot? Rollins? Samoa Joe? Balor? Having AJ in the title picture just seems to good to be true, and when it comes to WWE, well that's usually the case.
 

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The only good thing about Miz being champ is Maryse is back working with WWE again...

Haven't heard yet why Carmella wasn't with Enzo and Cass last night...
 

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Raw was enjoyable. Since I live in the Mountain time zone, I get the show spoiled for me on social media so there were no surprises. I liked the debuts. I liked that they showed all of Tyler Breeze's entrance, I liked the women's segment, and I loved the main event. 75% chance it's all down hill from here, though.
 
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Anyone find it ironic that 3 of the 4 guys in the #1 contender match (Cesaro, Styles, Owen) came to NXT/WWE directly from the indies? Ironic given how Vince has repeatedly trashed the indies for not producing WWE caliber talent.
 
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Enzo is instantly the best talker the fed has had in years. It's unreal how refreshing it is to have someone cut a legit, smack talking promo that isn't tightly scripted or the Rock having his string pulled to recite the same garbage


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OHH MAH GAAAAWD MAGGLE LOOK AT THE HAIR ON THAT ONE SPORTS ENERTAINMENT MAGGLE
 
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he's been posting on Rafters since last night. Started a couple threads, actually.

And he hasn't been in here? What up with that?
 
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Sorry for the late response. I've been watching, talking and shopping wrestling non-stop since last Thursday and needed a break to just focus on UNC's misery.

I'll go ahead and get this out of the way that I liked last year's WrestleMania much better and my opinion on this show is probably skewed more favorably because of being there. The atmosphere at Mania is nuts.

With that said, my favorite match on the card was the women's match. I marked out hard for the Austin appearance and The Rock appearance. I thought the Brock/Dean match was a huge letdown. I don't understand booking it like that.

The main event was nothing special except that spear on Steph and the badass entrance and promo by Stephanie/Triple H. I thought that was one of the coolest ones yet.




The air went out of the building when Sasha lost. Hardly anyone saw Charlotte retaining there and I disagree with the decision to do it. Sasha Banks is so insanely over and that was the time to do it. At WrestleMania Axxess, the line to meet her was insane (Bayley's was as well and now I'm questioning my thoughts about her success on the main roster).

- I re-watched Mania last night and they crazy edited the crowd reaction from the Reigns victory. I agree with sticking to the plan and letting him win there because you need to let him end Triple H and conclude the story. However, I expected "something" like interference and I think it's now obvious they're not going to do the traditional babyface booking. They're going to book him in the tweener/heel-ish style. They have already started having him stop coming through the crowd. He'll probably be more antagonistic as we saw with him sticking his tongue out, gesturing to the crowd at Mania and what he said on the mic last night. It's the smart thing to do. Just let him be a badass and antagonistic dick to the crowd.

If they weren't going this route, they wouldn't have booked A.J. to win last night. I expect a heel turn/persona very soon. They're probably just biding their time until Rollins or Cena is back.

- NXT Takeover was the highlight for me. Thought Joe should have won the title. I'm now a huge fanboy of Nakamura and got to meet him this weekend. I saw him wrestle twice as well.

- I was the one sitting beside Izzy, the Bayley fan girl that had a meltdown and collapsed in the floor after Bayley's loss. It was super awkward. In fact, it was just as awkward as seeing grown men asking to take a picture with a 9-year-old girl.

- Had a blast though. NXT had matches live during WrestleMania Axxess. Saw American Alpha vs Enzo/Cass, Eva Marie vs Asuka, Nakamura vs The Drifter, Hype Bros vs Alexa Bliss' guys just while I was hanging out.

- Took a selfie with Linda McMahon
- Kevin Owens was super nice and Neville became very emotional during my interview with him.
- Got to meet KO, Neville, Ziggler, Strowman, Nakamura and Miz. Saw tons of old timers like DDP, XPac, Jake Roberts, Scott Hall (he was drinking), Steamboat, Nature Boy driving around in a golf cart and a ton of others.

- Axxess had so much cool gimmick stuff like coming out from behind the curtain in front of the titan tron while your favorite wrestler's theme and video played. You could also, post on top of the ladder and grab the MITB briefcase (my friend did this with Eric Rowan), pose with the Undertaker coffin and urn, jump off a turnbuckle into a padded ring and do the commentating table with your friends (BKH saw me post this).

This is how I'd rank the matches over the weekend.

WrestleMania
1. Women's championship triple threat
2. Shane vs Taker
3. IC Title match
4. Triple H vs Reigns
5. AJ vs Y2J
6. Rock vs Rowan
7. New Day vs LON
8. Battle royal

NXT Takeover
1. Nakamura vs Zayn
2. Samoa Joe vs Finn Balor
3. American Alpha vs The Revival
4. Bayley vs Asuka
5. Aries vs Corbin
 
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Well that sucks! Talk about a let down.

I was fully expecting a post deserving of at least a weeks worth of low blows and uppercuts.

Now, meh! Whatever......

So about the edited crowd response......he got booed worse than it sounded? Because it sounded bad really.
 

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Axxess is a lot different than when i went to mania 23. It was literally a big imprint of Andre the Giants hand, a meet and greet with Chavo Guerrero Jr, and they had an impersonation contest. That was it.
 

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Well that sucks! Talk about a let down.

I was fully expecting a post deserving of at least a weeks worth of low blows and uppercuts.

Now, meh! Whatever......

So about the edited crowd response......he got booed worse than it sounded? Because it sounded bad really.

Did you think I was going to say that the Triple H and Reigns match was awesome?

As for the crowd, the press box is separated with a big sound proof glass with just some small holes in it so you can get some of the crowd effect. We had the Network playing live as the action was going on with no lag. The boos were bad and I knew they would be based on the preview for the match at Takeover when the crowd was anti-Reigns.

The post match boos were very loud but when I watched the show again on the Network last night, you'd never have known how bad the response was. If you go back and watch this part https://twitter.com/WWEUniverse/status/716834341167304704 ,

^ Before that, he was messing with the people nearby that was booing him.

I will say, I think he has been booked very well the past few weeks. There was a large portion last night of smarks that got a kick out of the "I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm THE guy."
 

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I expected a full blown slurp fest and a demand of us to leave pretty boy alone. A post riddled with why this was best for business, great move, no need to change the character but fans should change etc etc etc.

You completely Jay Wright'd the whole thing! Very inconsiderate of you.
 

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Good lord Shane is sick! Seriously he is rich and has no reason what so ever to do that! What a weird SOB.

That American flag sting with red white and blue stinger was the nuts! Extra nice uniform.
 

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I saw him in the crowd when I was watching the HOF show on Satruday. My first thought was that he looked like he had finally gotten his life back on track. Wish the same could be said for Scott Hall.
 
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I thought the Brock/Dean match was a huge letdown. I don't understand booking it like that.

I didn't understand that either. They really did a disservice to Ambrose in this feud. He never once came out on top in the build to WM and he did not look strong in or after the match. I know it's Lesnar and he is booked as an unstoppable force, but come on. They really missed a chance to build Ambrose up here.



Seeing that place on TV it looks huge, but I can only imagine what it must look like in person.
 
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They really missed a chance to build Ambrose up here.
why? why build him up, if they never see him as being a headliner or ticket-seller. especially if that build up hurts Brock who they can sit in a box marked "Break Glass In Case Of Needed Main Eventer". his dominant unbeatable aura must be maintained, if he would go over UT at WM then for gods sake he should go over Ambrose.
 

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Thanks for posting the pictures...but for the most important question...Did you find any Booty-O's???

I got the first three matches from Takeover watched last night...WOW.

Takeover>Hall of Fame>WM 32>Post Raw WM

Once you got past the first segment which made no sense the rest of the show was pretty good.
 

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why? why build him up, if they never see him as being a headliner or ticket-seller. especially if that build up hurts Brock who they can sit in a box marked "Break Glass In Case Of Needed Main Eventer". his dominant unbeatable aura must be maintained, if he would go over UT at WM then for gods sake he should go over Ambrose.


This is true, but long term this is what leaves them with a Hogan, HHH, ace a situation. That's bad too!

He should put Roman over honestly and let him carry the torch as top badass. Roman has that ability, but also has the ability to be beaten which is great for booking. Almost a Nikita Koloff if you will.
 
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his dominant unbeatable aura must be maintained, if he would go over UT at WM then for gods sake he should go over Ambrose.

Yes Brock's "dominant aura" most be maintained. I agree with that.

But you can still use the match to build up Ambrose. He is a fan favorite, the fans like him.

He is there every night working - unlike Brock. He did not have to beat Brock, but they could have booked it better to make Amrbose look better coming out of WM than they did.
 
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He is there every night working - unlike Brock.
Well that goes back to the takedown Punk did on WWE on the Cabana podcast a year & a half ago, Vince has no problem having all the guys who show up to work every Monday/Thurs night be jobbed out to stars who are there one or 2 nights a year.

What good did it do to the product on television to have a trio of 50+ year old men come out & destroy The League Of Nations? or a movie star & a guy off tv on injury to punk out the 3 Wyatts?
 
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Sadly that is part of today's WrestleMania - and other big events too. You have to have the old stars come out and get the pop from the crowd.

Hell the Wyatt's couldn't even touch the Rock.

WWE worries so much about trying to get the casual wrestling fan to watch more that they bring out the old stars. But how do you convince that viewer to stick around and watch more when the old stars are not on TV every week?

WWE has been terrible at making new stars.
 

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I mean, literally giving away Wrestlemania for free is so indicative of so many bad things.

I know it has happened the past two years, but good lord. SVJMH
 
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From Meltzer on Reigns:

It appears his role on top will be different from John Cena. Cena would laugh and smile at people who booed him. Reigns is going to be more reactive it seems, including yelling back and swearing at the vocal ringsiders, so long as a camera isn’t there to capture it. His role is now the world champion and he’s not turning heel, but he’s the old-school champion like Dory Funk Jr., Jack Brisco or Lou Thesz in the sense they become heels because they defend against faces with the psychology fans want to see a title change. But they never behaved themselves like heels, and just did a few subtle things in the matches to play that role.

Reigns was mouthing stuff with his back to the camera at some ringside fans when they heckled him saying “I run this b*tch.” He did something similar off camera at Mania, as ringsiders were booing him heavily as he was leaving the ring after the show, and he said, “This is my motherf***ing house, b*tches.”

Be heel - just not on camera.... :uzi:
 

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@TransyCat09 , WrestleMania should never be free. It's the equivalent of Christians with Easter. For casual wrestling fans, WrestleMania is the one show you buy.

From Meltzer on Reigns:



Be heel - just not on camera.... :uzi:
The idea is there and it works except not doing it on camera. That idea is retarded. I told you all he was antagonizing the crowd after the Triple H match. I don't quite believe the BS Dave spills because I was speaking to some folks in WWE and they kind of laughed about him "getting played a lot."

They're getting better at the general direction. They will just have to fine tune it. I've always said a tweener, not really a face, not really a heel, works best for that guy. Also, I believe Reigns is second in merch sales when it comes to full-time roster and fourth overall (Cena, Taker, Brock, I think) and is huge social media wise. They have a team that studies social media followers, interactions, things like that.

But yeah, book him to be a dick like on Monday. Show him as this cocky guy who fights faces and heels. Then near SummerSlam, have babyface Rollins come back and take it off of him. That's what I'd do. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Reigns is the guy that Cena beats for his record-tying title win.

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How I would have booked Mania
- KO retain
- Sasha wins title
- Brock over Ambrose but let Ambrose look very strong during or after the match
- Starting to understand and agree with Y2J over AJ in that moment
- Reigns over HHH but in a more interesting way.

However, I'm more stoked about NXT than anything else. That's where my attention is and I can't get enough Nakamura. I think he's the one that will take the belt off of Balor too.
 

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NXT Takeover thoughts:

- Loved the tag match. Love the idea of both teams' gimmicks and both work it well. Two real deal wrestlers and two pro wrestling mechanics :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
- Nakamura :pimp::cool:

- I kick myself for not watching prime Joe in TNA. He is awesome and should have been even bigger.
- Like Balor. Not as high on him as some, but still like seeing him go

- Women's match was great, but with a flat finish. Asuka is so stiff and I love it

If I have one critique, aside from the fans, it is that the selling is still subpar from most of the guys. It's basically either nothing or full on crazy, overly dramatic facials. Don't need that in the second match, fellas. The selling is still x100000 better than the main roster, tho
 
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NXT Takeover thoughts:

- Loved the tag match. Love the idea of both teams' gimmicks and both work it well. Two real deal wrestlers and two pro wrestling mechanics :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
- Nakamura :pimp::cool:

- I kick myself for not watching prime Joe in TNA. He is awesome and should have been even bigger.
- Like Balor. Not as high on him as some, but still like seeing him go

- Women's match was great, but with a flat finish. Asuka is so stiff and I love it

If I have one critique, aside from the fans, it is that the selling is still subpar from most of the guys. It's basically either nothing or full on crazy, overly dramatic facials. Don't need that in the second match, fellas. The selling is still x100000 better than the main roster, tho

I thought it was pretty wild that the Aries/Corbin match was the "cool down." Hardly anyone was into it after the opening tag match. I would like to maybe understand NXT creative's reasoning for putting the belt on Asuka over Bayley. I understand you have two good wrestlers but wouldn't it make more sense to let Nia Jaxx beat the hell out of Bayley and let Eva pin her? Then Asuka is the one to beat Eva Marie and then you have your face champ again.

I am bothered that the Vaudevillians got called up. They're one of my favorites and I know they're going to get ruined on the main roster.

Oh, and how awesome is Enzo on the mic? He's got a great voice and he's hilarious on the mic. Hopefully they take the titles off New Day.