CI Wrestling Thread #56

allabouttheUK

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I get what your trying to say, but what I'm saying is the top guy or goat is simply more than a wrestler he is the seller of the product, the draw that keeps fans coming back and his coworkers paid, he has to reach the crowd somehow, he has to by default have to be able to hold his own in the ring no matter his style, and he has to balance/politic the locker room in order for them to care enough not to hurt the guy.

All of that is why it comes down to only a handful. Those other guys you may consider was weak at some of that somehow and couldn't be goat. They can be your favorite or they can be really damn good but it just isn't meant for all.

Steve Austin would have to be it. I like The Rock, but when it came to matches he bored me more than entertained me.
 

catsfanbgky

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I will post my bracket, but in a protest with Lawler being a 8 seed. Favorite 2 wrestlers of all time in a round 1 game, the NCAA thinks this is some bs.

Region 1
Flair
Edge
Angle
Hart

Region 4
Hogan
Foley
HHH
Rock

Region 2
Austin
Rhodes
Cena
Savage

Region 3
Michaels
Lesnar
Taker
Sting

NIT bound / snubs

Luger
K.Von Erich
Dundee
Henning
Windham
Orndorf
Benoit
K. Sullivan
Snuka
Great Muta
Kabuki
Kamala
Debiase
Junk Yard Dog
Arn Anderson
Abdullah The Butcher

Biggest snubs Debiase and JYD.
 
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Region 1

Flair
Edge
Jericho
Hart

Region 4

Hogan
Sammartino
HHH
The Rock

Region 2

Stone Cold
Rhodes
Guerrero
Macho Man

Region 3

Shawn Michaels
Lesnar
Undertaker
Sting
 

JHB4UK

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HBK = Kobe for me.

yeah, fantastic great player(s), champions many times over. but the unlike-ability & locker room troublemaking makes me severely downgrade the greatness or all-timeness.
 
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CrimeDawg18

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Interesting story from the Jericho podcast, Jimmy Garvin got hired as a writer for WWE a few years ago to work with Michael Hayes. Tried it for a few weeks then realized it wasn't for him and quit.
 

krazykats

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Probably didn't like the handcuffs he had to wear while writing. Seems like it would be hard to write that way.
 

KingOfBBN

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Can someone tell me how Hayes maneuvered himself into such a prominent role within the company?
 

KingOfBBN

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Region 1

Flair
Edge
Jericho
Hart

Region 4

Hogan
Sammartino
HHH
The Rock

Region 2

Stone Cold
Rhodes
Guerrero
Macho Man

Region 3

Shawn Michaels
Lesnar
Undertaker
Sting

All mine as well except for Angle over Y2J

Round 2

Region 1
Flair
Bret Hart

Region 4
Sammartino
The Rock

Region 2
Stone Cold
Macho Man

Region 3
I'd prefer Brock but to see a legendary match

HBK
Sting



^ Now who would win that Sting/HBK match?
 

TransyCat09

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Can someone tell me how Hayes maneuvered himself into such a prominent role within the company?
Like Bruce Prichard, he is a stooge and a lackey. Which is odd, based on his hell raising past

Now that JR is calling NJPW there is no reason to watch any other promotion
 

TransyCat09

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Also, do refs not count guys' shoulders down if they are applying a submission? Watching NJPW now and have seen it WWE a few times recently where a guy has an armbar or triangle choke on with shoulders flat on the mat and no count
 

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As has been mentioned by everyone who fails about everyone who succeeds if your name t kissing Vince's *** then you don't make it. If you do then your good, anymore questions like that and I think that is a good starting point.
 

krazykats

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Yes refs do make those counts but only when directed to for drama. There is a lot the refs don't do or do that help control pace and coordination of the match.
 

TransyCat09

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Yes refs do make those counts but only when directed to for drama. There is a lot the refs don't do or do that help control pace and coordination of the match.
Well yes, but refs should generally call a match straight. Otherwise you get situations like refs not counting 3 when a guy is hurt and the workers are ending the match because and the ref doesn't know and the "drama" calls for a 2 count.

Just another old man Transy hot take about modern wrestling
 

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WWE announced today that Adam Rose and Konnor have been suspended for 60 days for their second wellness violations.

Hayes has always had a great mind for the business, he usually works on Smackdown. He got fired or suspended for a while then came back to the company.
 

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Raw is in London tonight and being recorded now. Reportedly Shane will be in charge of Raw again and maybe Smackdown too this week.

So I ask, what exactly was the point of the WM 32 match if he is just going to be in charge every week.
 
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Heisman that is really cool about ROH the Global Wars show is one of their biggest of the year, I hope you get to interview Colt Cabana...ask him about Punk :cool2:

Lots going on today...E! announced a spin-off series for the Bellas and their families. TNA is on the verge of being bought out because they have defaulted on monthly payments.

Lana, Renee Young and Maryse will be joining the cast of Total Divas. Guess that explains why she came back. Those three would almost be enough to finally get me to watch that show.

And yes after looking at the spoilers I may be more interested in the Payback PPV than Wrestlemania.
 
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I have this infatuation where from time to time I go back and watch a bunch of old Arsenio Hall episodes featuring WWF wrestlers. You can tell the company and Arsenio had a good relationship back then. Watched Sensational Sherry and Zeus last night promoting the Hogan match/No Holds Barred. Tiny Lister was a big mother ****er. I love how all the wrestlers always stayed in character during the interviews. It had to be hard to keep a straight face when they were trying to be all intense like Warrior and Zeus and Arsenio was cracking little jokes.

I've seen Mr Perfect and Undertaker with Paul Bearer on Regis and Kathy Lee. That was always an interesting combination.
 

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Non-Spoiler version of RAw

*Chris Jericho vs. Sami Zayn.

*Dean Ambrose vs. Kevin Owens.

*WWE Tag Team championship contenders tournament: The Vaudevillains vs. The Usos.

*WWE Tag Team championship contenders tournament: The Dudley Boyz vs. Enzo Amore and Colin Cassady.

*WWE Women's champion Charlotte & Team Bad & Summer Rae vs. Natalya & Paige & Sasha Banks & Becky Lynch.

*Apollo Crews vs. Heath Slater.

*MizTV with Cesaro.

*Baron Corbin vs. Fandango.

*Also appearing are Shane McMahon, WWE Tag Team champions New Day, The League of Nations, Anderson & Gallows and more.

Will see how it plays out of TV but Reigns was booed out of the building according to reports.
 

krazykats

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Who cares just spoil it! Most of us won't watch anyway so getting the spoiler may increase views
 

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I honestly can't take AJ Styles serious with that haircut. Really good wrestler, but that hair is nearly tragic enough that it won't overcome.

KO called him out on twitter and said that AJ had the same hairstyle as his aunt. He also, wrote this..

Oh yeah…You mean like he embarrassed me at the Rumble…or embarrasses himself daily with that haircut.https://t.co/PMDvsXkxn9

— Kevin Owens (@FightOwensFight) February 3, 2016
 

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Any word if Finn is getting called up soon?

Hope not. I love him being awesome in NXT. I don't want him to come up just to get treated like Neville or Tyler Breeze. I think Balor is a legitimate top guy and unless you have main event plans for him, do not waste him.
 
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JMO

- they should have brought Balor up for Mania in a match with Taker. Balor goes over by summoning the demon or whatever his gimmick is. It turns out it's the same force that Taker has used for 25 years and it has finally forsaken him for a new vessel. Balor is now unstoppable and Taker is freed from the control of the demon and can return to being an old biker dude and retire from wrestling.

- Have Shane take on Ripple Aitch in some kind of handicap match, that way Shane could have won and fulfilled the stipulation of taking over Raw with a win

- Replace Aitch in the main event with Ambrose. Ambrose outclasses Reigns for the entire match until Reigns resorts to cheating and wins the title via breaking the rules. Boom, Reigns is the champ AND a heel

- Move Kevin Owens into the Amrbose spot in the Brock match. Have Brock and KO beat the dogshit out of each other. Pretty simple.
 

KingOfBBN

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JMO

- they should have brought Balor up for Mania in a match with Taker. Balor goes over by summoning the demon or whatever his gimmick is. It turns out it's the same force that Taker has used for 25 years and it has finally forsaken him for a new vessel. Balor is now unstoppable and Taker is freed from the control of the demon and can return to being an old biker dude and retire from wrestling.

I said this months ago that they should have booked him like that and it would have immediately elevated Balor as a main event guy from the get go.
 

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I'm going to be working with ROH to promote Global Wars. Apparently, featuring most of the top NJPW stars, Lethal vs Cabana for the World Title, plus tons more to be announced.

Good for you, and I wish you well. I can easily tell you really enjoy it.
 

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Good luck with ROH. I love their roster and their booking. I still want Mark Cuban to buy it and make it a real deal.

If you can get a profile pic with Dalton Castle - do it.

Find out of the Briscoes are related to Isaiah.
 
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Some interesting speculation around the net on Reigns....

Gallows and Anderson will attack Styles and Reigns will turn heel. They will form the Roman Empire or The Empire with the possibility of the Uso's being part of it as well.

Who knows if it is true but it is an interesting idea.
 

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Some interesting speculation around the net on Reigns....

Gallows and Anderson will attack Styles and Reigns will turn heel. They will form the Roman Empire or The Empire with the possibility of the Uso's being part of it as well.

Who knows if it is true but it is an interesting idea.

I'm cool with him as a heel but don't want to see him do it in a stable. Just have him lose his ish and see everyone as a threat and lay them out. Just book him to be brutal and a physical force after snapping.
 
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