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msstate7

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Competitive for sure. I really detest big time college football looking like a normal big12 shootout though. The game is becoming too offensive
 
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Surely that is not targeting.

Ridiculous. If that is targeting, you could call targeting on every 17ing play in a football game. Total ********.
 

patdog

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After a while, it just becomes boring with teams scoring on every possession. I've found myself watching a lot more NFL football and a lot less NCAA football, other than MSU games.
 
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Herbie got a hard on at the slightest possibility of targeting.

Screw it, take the helmets off. If you can’t use one then take em off.
 

FlotownDawg

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Or people could learn to tackle properly. See what you hit. You can’t lower your helmet to make a tackle. Full stop. You could break your neck tackling like that.
 

Upyurs

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That’s BS. He went low. Was nowhere near head or shoulders. How was he suppose to make that tackle?
 

FlotownDawg

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You can’t hit anyone with the crown of your helmet no matter where you hit them. It’s to protect the tackler as much as the guy getting tackled. You could break your neck smashing a guy with your head lowered. It’s what happened to Chucky Mullins.
 

Go Budaw

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That’s BS. He went low. Was nowhere near head or shoulders. How was he suppose to make that tackle?

By simply keeping his facemask up, just like they teach you all the way back in pop warner.

I don’t necessarily agree with the spirit of the rule in all instances, but it was definitely a case of targeting by how its clearly written now in the rule book.
 

Bill Shankly

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Screw it, take the helmets off. If you can’t use one then take em off.

When I was in high school back in the Stone Age we had a guy do that in practice. Our coach went ballistic. He said if he saw anyone do that again he was going make the offender to tie his balls off with fishing line and run it up their back and over their head and tie the other end to the face mask. Put your head down and you are singing soprano. He correctly pointed out that was how you break your own neck.
 

Upyurs

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Oh so now it’s just tacking with crown of your head. So no forcible lunge, or impact to the head or shoulder area? Why not leave all that out and just let it stay with tacking with crown of head as targeting? So if your hit the legs with your head then it’s targeting?
 

Bill Shankly

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Oh so now it’s just tacking with crown of your head. So no forcible lunge, or impact to the head or shoulder area? Why not leave all that out and just let it stay with tacking with crown of head as targeting? So if your hit the legs with your head then it’s targeting?

Leading with your helmet head down has been illegal for a long time no matter where the hit lands. What's new is being ejected for it. The same guy got ejected for doing the same thing in this game last year.
 

Upyurs

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By simply keeping his facemask up, just like they teach you all the way back in pop warner.

I don’t necessarily agree with the spirit of the rule in all instances, but it was definitely a case of targeting by how its clearly written now in the rule book.

They didn’t teach that **** to me. Said lower your head and knock his *** off. Raising your head is when you get your damn neck hurt.
 

Bill Shankly

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They didn’t teach that **** to me. Said lower your head and knock his *** off. Raising your head is when you get your damn neck hurt.

You were taught absolutely wrong. That's astounding and inexcusable. Head down is how you break your neck. Heck I was taught that back in the early 80s at a tiny backwoods school in Mississippi.
 

Go Budaw

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They didn’t teach that **** to me. Said lower your head and knock his *** off. Raising your head is when you get your damn neck hurt.

LOL. Are you 17ing serious right now?

If so, whoever taught you that ******** ought to be in jail for child abuse.
 

Upyurs

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Your lack of knowledge of the rules of the game is astounding.

It’s astounding that I along with most others get confused at how this rule is interpreted. You act like this rule is absolutely clear with no one questioning it?
 

patdog

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Well, your coach is damn lucky he didn’t get a kid killed or paralyzed then.
 

Bill Shankly

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It’s astounding that I along with most others get confused at how this rule is interpreted. You act like this rule is absolutely clear with no one questioning it?

It's really simple, you can't initiate a hit with the crown of your helmet, period. That part of the rule is very simple and unambiguous. That was a cut and dried case of it. The other part about forcible contact to the head of a defenseless player is confusing.
 
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You were taught absolutely wrong. That's astounding and inexcusable. Head down is how you break your neck. Heck I was taught that back in the early 80s at a tiny backwoods school in Mississippi.


Our coach taught us to lead with our face mask and like you said before, he would go ballistic if you turned your face down to make a hit.

Before that helmet top to helmet top was the most macho thing you could do. With some of the helmets we had I am surprised more older 70's footballers weren't getting coloring books for Christmas.
 
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I'm sure that Kirk has the biggest woody of his life right now and has gone through two or three boxes of Kleenex.

I almost wish one of the Buckeyes would start a fight.
 

Upyurs

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It's really simple, you can't initiate a hit with the crown of your helmet, period. That part of the rule is very simple and unambiguous. That was a cut and dried case of it. The other part about forcible contact to the head of a defenseless player is confusing.

No it’s not. Like others have mentioned. There are many instances where you could be diving with shoulder and have offensively player change direction and you make contact with you helmet. Regardless of your “Stone Age” teachings players typically don’t tackle with their damn face mask straight up. That may not be political correct but it’s the truth.
 
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