Cleveland going all in with Deion?
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Cleveland is one of the few teams stupid enough to do this. Unfortunately, they are my team. All of the below were 1st round picks with the exception of Johnny. The stupidest move of them all was D. Watson.
Johnny Football
Baker Mayfield
Tim Couch
Brady Quinn
Brandon Weedon
If Shedeur slipped all the way to 29, this would actually make sense. Shedeur is good value as a low 1st Round Pick. I have seen teams do a lot worse reaching in the 1st Round. Giving a team an extra 2nd Round and/or 3rd pick to get back in the 1st Round and make a pick like that is not that crazy.
There is a 99% chance he would fail in Cleveland. It would be crazy to take him with a 1st round pick.
Shadeur is poison. Without his daddy as head coach, he is average as unsalted grits as a qb.
If you believe in a QB, you pick him in the 1st Round because you can put off paying them big money for 4-5 years. You wait to pick him in the 2nd Round or later and plays well, the player has the team over a barrel and you have to pay him all of the sudden. I am aware of Cleveland's history but you can't operate your team on everybody is going to fail. For example, look how many years Baltimore got out of Lamar Jackson before they finally had to pay him. With that move of picking a QB late in the 1st Round that you believe in, you had the most important position on the field locked up and you could spend more of your cap space filling out the roster.
Sanders would fail in Cleveland. His baggage + Cleveland's mgt. = failure. Sorry, but i know this mgt. team well. In addition, they are not a QB away from being a good team.
If he's available in the mid to late second, I could see taking a shot but first round would be a disaster for Cleveland. That said,, it would be part for the course. I would take a hard pass on Sanders in the first two rounds.
What Baggage? What did he do? Just because you don't like a guy means he has baggage? I guess if you equate that he had on-field celebrations he has baggage. Oh wait, Cam Ward had the most notable on-field celebration of last season and he went #1 in the draft.. i am not that big of a Shedeur guy, but this dislike for the guy is a little crazy. I think he is the 2nd to 3rd QB on any sensible board. Where that falls, so be it. I don't get actively rooting against a guy getting drafted outside the 1st Round like that will be some type of mark on the kid. If he gets picked in 2nd or 3rd Round, he will still get a chance to play and probably start at some point. The draft position only means you get more up front money. If the guy can't play, it will show as a 1st Round Pick or a Seventh Round Pick.
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Everyone but yourself understands that his baggage pushed him out of the first round. Perception is the ONLY reality.
Baggage (just to name two).
- entitlement (johnny football jr. esque)
- his dad (L Ball esque)
GM's stated he had very poor interviews. Entitlement was mentioned by the GM.
In addition, i don't think he has first round talent. I hope his dad backs off, he's humbled by the draft and has a great career. It simply won't work out in Cleveland. Fingers crossed they don't take him with the first pick in the 2nd.
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That is not baggage, sir. These things you named I already figured that is what you were talking about and that is B.S. in my opinion. Do people say that Eli Manning had baggage because of his Dad? No. And on the entitlement thing, most QBs I know are entitled. Does Brett Favre and Aaron Rogers holding teams hostage on whether they want to play or not ring a bell. Like I said before, there are plenty of things that you can critique Shedeur Sander on as a player without getting into all this political stuff that has nothing to do with him. Shedeur is not a plus athlete. Okay. That's legitimate. Shedeur has just an okay arm. That's legitimate. Shedeur holds onto the ball to long looking for the big play. That's legitimate. However, if teams are harboring some animus toward Deion Sanders. That's some B.S. That's some B.S. that they are entitled to harbor, but it's B.S. just the same. Vienna. Love your basketball analysis, and from that I thought you were above mess like this. Remember also, Shedeur's brother, Shilo, played for us and all he did was play hard and was one of our better defensive players during that Covid Year when were terrible. There was no sitting out by him and you didn't hear a peep from Deion the entire time he was here. He left for a legitimate reason. His Dad got a coaching job. So, this type of attitude from Gamecock fans who should know the real from the fake is just interesting.
To be 100% honest, it doesn't matter what you and I think. It's clear the GM's have concerns about attributes weighing him down, which is essential the definition of baggage.
He didn't move to the 2nd round based solely on talent.
Comparing Archie and Deon is a joke. Archie may have been involved where peyton landed but was never a media spectacle. The other major difference is that Peyton was a generational talent. Generational talent get a pass (right or wrong is irrelevant). Sanders is not a generational talent and he has baggage that pushed him into day two.
No need to argue with me. Simply look at where he was projected on talent and look where he's landing. Baggage pushed him out of the 1st round. Go argue with the GM's that took a hard pass on him in the 1st round. I certainly wouldn't have invested first round money on him.
32 NFL general managers did not believe in Sanders.
The Browns are desperate for a QB but were smart enough to pass on Sanders in the 2nd.
I know you
I respect your post but you were very off here. Poor, unprepared interviews, talent questions and his Dad led to this mess. Teams simply didn't want to invest $30m+ in Sanders. I hope he does great things for the Browns but firmly believe it's going to get very messy. Deon said several years back his son wouldn't/shouldn't play for the Browns due to poor mgt.
Feeling a certain way is fine. Verbalizing is also fine but there very well could be repercussion. I understand you think I'm out of line on the Sanders situation but some of the brightest football minds felt the same way. I really hope Sanders proves us all wrong. I've always been a big Deon fan but he didn't do his son any favors in this draft.
Now Deion talking about how he’s gonna be in Shedeur’s first meeting with the team etc.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that’s why nobody wanted to draft him.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that’s why nobody wanted to draft him.
Adcoop aaaured is Deon would not be an issue.
How many other draft picks this year have a had a parent insist on being part of team meetings to ensure their child is placed in a favorable position?
It's just crazy. And some folks are defending Deion's involvement b/c he's a HOF player and has the credibility to say what should and shouldn't happen with his son. That's now how this work. As it is relevant to the Cleveland Browns, he's not Deion's son. He's just a 5th round rookie player.
Did you see Cleveland's war room when they announced the Shedeur pick? It was, at best, forced, mild clapping. I'm not sure I even saw anyone smile. It wasn't the look of a team who felt like they'd stolen a 1st round talent in the 5th round.
It's going to get ugly(er) in Cleveland. Media circus, Deon , a full QB room including two rookies, without a clear starter. The war room's faces said it all.
Yes. The media circus will be nuts. They've already christened Shedeur the clear-cut favorite to start. I saw Adam Schefter, I think, reported that Cleveland simply had Dillon Gabriel ahead of Shedeur on their draft board. There was no grand collusion. If Shedeur is the generational talent they tell us he is, these cutthroat owners would not have just sat by and let a competitor take him. The Stephen A. Smiths of the world can't conceive of it. They show all his fantastic highlights but other more honest analysts can put together a tape of just as many horrendous plays. Unnecessary sack after unnecessary sack.
It's crazy and funny how this Shedeur thing has mushroomed into a modern day civil rights watershed moment for some folks. They just can't conceive that maybe NFL owners and GMs didn't think he was as good as analysts do. And at least not good enough to deal with the circus and baggage he brings with him.
As far as Mel Kiper's posturing and blustering about how the NFL can't evaluate QBs, he once said he was so confident that Jimmy Clausen would be a successful NFL QB, he'd retire if he was wrong.
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I read an interesting article this morning from an NFL player who pointed out that Shadeur's gaudy completion percentage stat was pumped up by the huge number of screen passes he threw. Something like 35-40% of his completions were screen passes. NFL scouts know about these sort of things. The talking heads want eyes on the screen and clicks so they pump the media darling players no matter what and there was no more darling of the media than Shadeur and his daddy.
If Mel Kiper and Stephen A. Smith were as smart as they think they are, some NFL team would be paying both of them a lot of money to scout talent and advise the team who to draft.
I agree with 95% of what you said. In addition, I'm not a fan of Kiper nor Smith. That said, I would guess both are doing better financially than NFL scouts.
For sure on the latter. Kiper is an entertainer. Don't know how he gets this NFL draft guru status. His accuracy is terrible. Saw somewhere that in the last 5 drafts his accuracy in the first 160 picks is something like 5%.
Take a look at Boomer's E's interview. He outlines the baggage that pushed Sanders into later rounds.
Yeah, saw that. One of the few sane takes there on his slide. And I saw another report that he simply was not even on many teams’ draft boards.
I love the racist collusion takes. That argument just doesn’t hold much water when a black QB was taken #1. Or the white people don’t like confident black men take. His dad was the cockiest, showiest player ever who also treated the pre-draft process disrespectfully. He was taken #5 overall because he was viewed as an all-time generational talent.
It’s like Colin Cowherd said. Nobody just wanted to tell the Deion the truth about his son, which is that he’s an ok QB.
Agreed. Owners want to win. They would pick Satin #1 if it meant wins. They viewed him as an average QB in the draft with a ton of baggage. Generational QB with baggage wouldn't be an issue.
NFL Hall of Famer Cris Carter says Shedeur Sanders' entitlement and measurables weren't enough for a first-round draft pick. He says being likable plays a part in the draft, and the fact that Shedeur had already put together a merch line stating he is "legendary" was off-putting. Carter claims the NFL didn't sabotage Sanders, they taught him a great lesson, and now he knows he's not running anything.
This was not a good year for QB's, unlike last year with Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels. Next year might also be a great year for QB's (LaNorris, Arch Manning, and Cade Klubnik).