Cleveland says "It's gonna cost ya."
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Since I've been reading the C-L (20 years), Cleveland has never once advocated for the firing of a coach.
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He basically said that if we want to fire him, come up with the money. Well, no ****. He also spent the article talking about how some things arent working,and this is the jewel:
"The offensive numbers are inescapable. Over the five seasons, State ranks No. 118 of 119 among Division I teams on total offense. Something isn't working and that's just fact. "
Who in the hell has been worse than us the last 5 years? And how much do you want to bet they have made a coaching change?</p>
"The offensive numbers are inescapable. Over the five seasons, State ranks No. 118 of 119 among Division I teams on total offense. Something isn't working and that's just fact. "
Who in the hell has been worse than us the last 5 years? And how much do you want to bet they have made a coaching change?</p>
in regards to firing a coach. although I will completely agree that he loves being average or below average.
this type of crap puts me over the edge. i love how he uses a made up quote by Croom to blast the fans just like Croom. "No more heckling from Monday morning quarterbacks."
another thing, when is Croom going to get it through his thick head that "big plays" aren't the only way to win a football game? he keeps saying that we made the big plays to win the tight games last year and we aren't doing it this year. how about putting together an offensive gameplan that actually allows you to win with a more comfortable margin? how about a gameplan that does not require a pick 6? Croom must have been in the locker room at halftime during the LaTech, Auburn, Tennessee, and Kentucky games thinking that "we have them where we want them." really? hell i would rather us be up by 2 touchdowns but instead our coach is happy with being tied, just barely ahead or just barely behind. it is this mentality that gets you crappy offensive production. why can't he just want to skull drag a team like GaTech did to us? is that not the right way?
i also love how our QB of the future wasn't even recruited out of high school when he was less than 30 miles from Starkville.
finally, rick goes on about who we lost key players to off the field issues and how that is painful for croom because we have a large margin of error and this is over the margin. he forgets to mention that croom has clearly stated time and time again that he is building character at state and that we will not have problems of this nature under his watch, yet they continue to occur. i am not one to say it is all croom's fault for what the players did but he sure as hell would take the credit if they were little angels.
another thing, when is Croom going to get it through his thick head that "big plays" aren't the only way to win a football game? he keeps saying that we made the big plays to win the tight games last year and we aren't doing it this year. how about putting together an offensive gameplan that actually allows you to win with a more comfortable margin? how about a gameplan that does not require a pick 6? Croom must have been in the locker room at halftime during the LaTech, Auburn, Tennessee, and Kentucky games thinking that "we have them where we want them." really? hell i would rather us be up by 2 touchdowns but instead our coach is happy with being tied, just barely ahead or just barely behind. it is this mentality that gets you crappy offensive production. why can't he just want to skull drag a team like GaTech did to us? is that not the right way?
i also love how our QB of the future wasn't even recruited out of high school when he was less than 30 miles from Starkville.
finally, rick goes on about who we lost key players to off the field issues and how that is painful for croom because we have a large margin of error and this is over the margin. he forgets to mention that croom has clearly stated time and time again that he is building character at state and that we will not have problems of this nature under his watch, yet they continue to occur. i am not one to say it is all croom's fault for what the players did but he sure as hell would take the credit if they were little angels.
you have to look at the coaches we've had during this time of failure. We've had people like Charley Shira, and Bob Tyler had success, but I bet Rick is counting his forfeits in his loss total. I think the simple fact is that since 1950 we've had overall gross mismanagement of our football program from the top down. But, I really think that we can change that- and yes, we're going to have to spend money to do it. It also requires vision, and I think Byrne might have that- time will tell.
I guess what he's saying is if you don't give money to do something, don't *****? He mentioned giving thousands, but I believe that there are enough State fans that even if they gave 50 bucks a piece, and then you add in whatever the cigar boys want to give, we could easily come up with the money.
3 million dollars isn't that impossible to raise from 60,000 people (rounded off capacity of Scott Field).
I guess what he's saying is if you don't give money to do something, don't *****? He mentioned giving thousands, but I believe that there are enough State fans that even if they gave 50 bucks a piece, and then you add in whatever the cigar boys want to give, we could easily come up with the money.
3 million dollars isn't that impossible to raise from 60,000 people (rounded off capacity of Scott Field).
When he does say that a coach shouldn't be coaching like he wrote with regard to Jackie Sherrill, Ed Orgeron, and James Bell, the coach's last year coaching is that season.</p>
That way they have plenty of material to write about and it makes their job easier. They don't care who our coach is, they don't care if it's Croom or the "Bear" himself. They just want controversy to write about when they write about lowly MSU. They can write their opinions and gloat because they know more than us fans. Croom gives them story after story. Did they ever write that we should have given any other coaches longer to succeed? No.
It doesn't matter to them how bad we are or how much we are divided, they don't care. And when he does leave they will write more and they will blame MSU, not an unsuccessful coach.
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It doesn't matter to them how bad we are or how much we are divided, they don't care. And when he does leave they will write more and they will blame MSU, not an unsuccessful coach.
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"The bottom line is that we're not making the big plays we made last year to win the close games". Of course, pretty much all the plays Croom's talking about came from the defense or special teams last year. Its kind of sad when you have to count on pick 6s or a punt return TD to have a chance to win games.
18 hour days and recruiting against Alabama and LSU. That is laughable. Those 18 hours are probably in the recliner, watching old Alabama film, and stuffing his face. Last time I checked, he mainly recruits against Alabama State and Louisiana-Monroe too.
All this will be a mute point in 2 weeks. Saban is going to hand him a big piece of his ***. Crxxm will be so frustrated and defeated as he walks off his hollowed grounds to laughter and mockery. He will do us all a favor.
All this will be a mute point in 2 weeks. Saban is going to hand him a big piece of his ***. Crxxm will be so frustrated and defeated as he walks off his hollowed grounds to laughter and mockery. He will do us all a favor.
in my view we've had really 2 competent head coaches in the modern era, Bob Tyler and Jackie Sherrill, and both had success. No, they didn't routinely contend for championships, but they had the level of success that will more than make the bulk of the MSU fanbase happy. Heck, even Bellard had success until his horrendous recruiting became a factor. If we are suppose to be satisfied with 3 wins most years and having one of the worst offenses in the NCAA, why don't we just find a good HS coach across the state and give him the job and pay about 500,000/yr which they would be delighted to get. They would certainly produce no worse results. Then we could take the 1.2 million dollar difference and invest it in our basketball and baseball programs. You know, the sports that we routinely compete well in.
I do acknowledge that Gungate helped torpedo this season. However, Croom's biggest positive is suppose to be the discipline, character, good citizen, "doing it the right way" guy. If he's getting 5 of HIS guys kicked off the team (yes, not 1, not 2, but 5!) in one offseason campus violence incident then, in my mind, one of the biggest arguments for keeping him is sort of out the window.
I do acknowledge that Gungate helped torpedo this season. However, Croom's biggest positive is suppose to be the discipline, character, good citizen, "doing it the right way" guy. If he's getting 5 of HIS guys kicked off the team (yes, not 1, not 2, but 5!) in one offseason campus violence incident then, in my mind, one of the biggest arguments for keeping him is sort of out the window.
No kidding mania. That is what tells me Crxxm hasn't a clue. He doesn't see that the breaks are not happening because we do nothing to force or make the breaks. We put no pressure on the QB. We have no break away threat in the backfield and a QB who can not throw the HR ball. If he wants more big plays, recruit players capable of doing it.
Sure, the incident that lead to all the players leaving hurt. So, he has a point defensively. However, only one player was an offensive starter. There is no excuse for not having a decent QB and depth on the OL.
Sure, the incident that lead to all the players leaving hurt. So, he has a point defensively. However, only one player was an offensive starter. There is no excuse for not having a decent QB and depth on the OL.
He wrote his column today because he knows Crxxm's days are numbered. It's just a question of when he'll be fired, not if he'll be fired. I think Cleveland writes columns like today's because he likes the coaches who are about to lose their jobs and wants to do anything he can to try to help them hold on for as long as they can, and because he doesn't care for one second if teams are competitive or if they suck. He'll never say publicly that a coach should be fired until it gets down to being a matter of days instead of weeks or months. But he's smart enough to have figured it out long before he ever says it publicly.
Exactly, you can't expect your defense to get pick 6's to win games...maroonmania said:
I wish he would name one big plan on offense from last year...
Coach34 said:
It is Temple. I checked them first because they seemed to be the obvious team. They are roughly 2 yards per game behind MSU over the last 5 years. They have been significantly worse the last 4 years, but in 2004 they put up over 400 yards per game, which make their numbers look better.
They play Kent State in a midweek game on November 12. If they put up around 400 yards of offense on Kent State, they'll pass your offense over the last 5 years.
Cleveland's not advocating change yet, and when he does, you can tell. Here are some excerpts from previous Cleveland pieces:
Cleveland on James Bell in the Oct. 23, 2005 issue of the Clarion-Ledger shortly before Bell was fired by JSU:
Cleveland on James Bell in the Oct. 23, 2005 issue of the Clarion-Ledger shortly before Bell was fired by JSU:
About Jackie Sherrill in the Sep. 28, 2003 Ledger:
About Orgeron in the Nov. 21, 2007 Ledger:
"He never liked Orgeron, and in fact always resented Orgeron because he always resented the fact that Cutcliffe was fired. So it really wasn't a big deal for him to write a hatchet job on Orgeron."
Exactly. I chuckle when people point to that article. He had an agenda with that article, and I believe it was this: I was right and you (Ole Miss fans) were wrong. He had been waiting to write that article since they fired Cut and hired Orgeron. I guarantee you Mr. Cleveland enjoyed his job that day.
Aside from that, he could care less if Ole Miss or State are ever successful. He is a hack writer, always has been and always will be.
Exactly. I chuckle when people point to that article. He had an agenda with that article, and I believe it was this: I was right and you (Ole Miss fans) were wrong. He had been waiting to write that article since they fired Cut and hired Orgeron. I guarantee you Mr. Cleveland enjoyed his job that day.
Aside from that, he could care less if Ole Miss or State are ever successful. He is a hack writer, always has been and always will be.
None of you gripers would be willing to put up the money.
Y'all live to get your panties in a bunch about something. If it weren't Croom you guys would find something else to menstruate over.
A bunch of bitches ... for real.
Y'all live to get your panties in a bunch about something. If it weren't Croom you guys would find something else to menstruate over.
A bunch of bitches ... for real.
Cleveland's assertion that MSU doesn't have the resources to buy out Croom and therefore should just sit there and put up with him is wrong. Very wrong.