I totally agree that our basketball sucks. This discussion only dealt with football and dont fool yourself about baseball. To the question about could USM compete in the SEC: well No but neither does state. If USM had been in the conference for 50 years and received all the extra money yearly then they IMO they would perform just as well as your dawgs. The only thing that State and OM can hold over USM in the SEC talk and that is changing. Things will be vastly diff over the next 10 years for USM but State will still be in its rightful place begging Florida for a piece of the pie. How can the Egg bowl be so good yet the ratings have gotten so bad that ESPN dropped it. I agree that a majority of Hburg is state and om fans because they know where they must earn a living but things are goona change and soon.
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Nice Red Herring.
Now, as far as State needing the SEC, that's true, but UF, UGA, AU, LSU, ALL need the SEC. We all wouldn't survive without it. We need each other. The SEC league doesn't need those schools. Any of them could leave and as long as there are enough schools to have a conference it will be strong. But none of those schools- or any school in the SEC can stand alone and be successful. Ask Tulane about that.
USM needs C-USA in the very same way.
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And what "Glory years" are you talking about? We don't have any glory years, let alone sit around and talk about them. We have had some good seasons, but we don't have a 20 year run that we can point to.
Now, as far as State needing the SEC, that's true, but UF, UGA, AU, LSU, ALL need the SEC. We all wouldn't survive without it. We need each other. The SEC league doesn't need those schools. Any of them could leave and as long as there are enough schools to have a conference it will be strong. But none of those schools- or any school in the SEC can stand alone and be successful. Ask Tulane about that.
USM needs C-USA in the very same way.
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And what "Glory years" are you talking about? We don't have any glory years, let alone sit around and talk about them. We have had some good seasons, but we don't have a 20 year run that we can point to.
If Florida, Tennessee or Georgia left and brought nearly 100k fans plus those watching on T.V. with them, the SEC would feel the difference. Now I agree, that the SEC could survive losing one of those teams, and get by fairly...FLA would be a huge loss though because the SEC would have no presence in that major market. I would say LSU would be a huge loss, but as soon as they start losing again their fans who were nowhere to be found in the mid 90s will disappear again.
I'm not sure I understand the comment about folks knowing where they have to live to make money or whatever he was trying to say. Especially since the coastal counties produce most of the revenue this state survives on...
I'm not sure I understand the comment about folks knowing where they have to live to make money or whatever he was trying to say. Especially since the coastal counties produce most of the revenue this state survives on...
I am not here to argue that the SEC is 15X tougher than CUSA but USM is still in a better position. As sad as it may seem USM stands a better chance of making a BCS (eventhough its a long shot) bowl than does your beloved dawgs. Isnt that the point of college football every year. I find that funny for all the "we are in the SEC talk".
a 9-3 Mississippi State team could have made the Sugar Bowl in 1998. Never in a million years could Southern sniff a BCS bowl at 9-3.
I agree with you eagle to clear up the living comment. State and OM fans live in Hattiesburg and the Coast bc of the fact that most of the income resides there. Its hard to earn a living in pasture land. They know where the future of the state is and its in south ms.
Southern has had a 2 loss season? That's a serious question because I have no clue
Edit to say I looked it up and it was 1988. State was 1999. 2 losses for State - good chance for BCS. 2 losses for Southern - no chance except Memphis.
Edit to say I looked it up and it was 1988. State was 1999. 2 losses for State - good chance for BCS. 2 losses for Southern - no chance except Memphis.
I point was not to say the USM was going to get a BCS bowl but to express how state will never get one. As hard as you say it is for USM to do it, its even harder for State. I know the BCS talk vs the mid major talk is always bought up. State is a mid major playing in a bcs league and they accept the hand outs that come along with it. Its funny the state and om parallel themselves with the other sec members but those school try to distance themselves from state and shake them off their coat tails.
To be quite honest., USM would maybe sneak in a BCS game, and probably not the championship game unless all of the BCS teams had beat each other up all year. If MSU wins the SEC championship, MSU goes to a BCS game, period. An 11-2 MSU team has a better chance of making the big game better than USM does at 13-0. Of course this is an utter waste of time due to the fact that I don't see either happening in the near future.......even with your "savior" coach. I've got a hunch that USM defense is still going to suck next year. With the offense throwing a buttload of INT's. Saw you play alot last year. I hope you guys don't start jumping off buildings when your new coach doesn't put you in the CUSA championship game this year.
Your point is invalid. It's still easier for State to make a BCS game than Southern in the current setup of the BCS.
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Toyota and Nissan are huge boosts to this state. But they would never be placed where they are if not for the attraction of semi-skilled, lower wage laborers best suited for assembly-line manufacturing jobs. Hello??? I'm not bashing on the rest of the state by any means by the comment either. Harrison County would have done anything they could to get such a plant. But that does not change the fact that the Coastal counties make up a huge percentage of the tax revenue.
So, yes, the rest of the state is getting better. And yes, we have a bunch of State and OP grads living down here in order to find work, while you probably rarely run into a USM grad who works around there - though I'm sure it happens.
All I know is, I've been to several academic conferences in the Southeast and several large-scale job interviews (trying to figure out where I want to work) where many of my fellow interviewees were from Bama, State, Ole Miss, and even Florida, FSU, etc. I've never been asked if I went to an SEC school, and I've walked out with a job offer while friends at State and Bama went home without them. So I guess my little 'ol Southern Miss education wasn't so shabby after all.
Honestly, I wish State the best of luck against every opponent they play, unless they are playing us. USM fans don't hate State (we might hate OP), we just aren't gonna take any crap being thrown about why the series went away or why we don't play each other. The recruiting possibilities are the real truth. It's certainly not our stadium size or any of that crap. So if everyone would just agree to live in reality together, this could be a much more friendly "non-rivalry" game.
So, yes, the rest of the state is getting better. And yes, we have a bunch of State and OP grads living down here in order to find work, while you probably rarely run into a USM grad who works around there - though I'm sure it happens.
All I know is, I've been to several academic conferences in the Southeast and several large-scale job interviews (trying to figure out where I want to work) where many of my fellow interviewees were from Bama, State, Ole Miss, and even Florida, FSU, etc. I've never been asked if I went to an SEC school, and I've walked out with a job offer while friends at State and Bama went home without them. So I guess my little 'ol Southern Miss education wasn't so shabby after all.
Honestly, I wish State the best of luck against every opponent they play, unless they are playing us. USM fans don't hate State (we might hate OP), we just aren't gonna take any crap being thrown about why the series went away or why we don't play each other. The recruiting possibilities are the real truth. It's certainly not our stadium size or any of that crap. So if everyone would just agree to live in reality together, this could be a much more friendly "non-rivalry" game.
with every post. MSU was damn close to appearing in the very first series of BCS games in 1998. You remember that don't you, when we took eventual NC UT late into the 4th quarter before losing. We were again close in 99 where we were a couple of late game on the road losses that kept us from the SEC champ game. With the right coach, MSU has a much more legit chance of making a BCS bowl than USM. USM would have to go undefeated. Period. Even at 12-1, you would have no shot and you know it. TCU proved that for you when they were in your conference. In fact, outside of Notre Dame, no non-BCS school has made it to a BCS game with a loss on their record.
I agree that MSU would go if they won the SEC but please tell me when that has happened in my life time. I know the set up is easier but you still have to win games in the SEC and that will not happen. If it was goona happen then it would have by now. State is dillusional and OM still lives in the days of Archie.We will see how it all turs out this year. Maybe croom has it turned around.
11 - 2 MSU game would make a BCS game. But a 10-2 State team is not guaranteed to make the SEC championship game, since there could be a conference opponent better. A 13 - 0 USM team is in a BCS game, no doubt. If they keep an undefeated team out, there's going to be a riot and the BCS will be out the window. Hell, it's already being challenged.
I would have to take USM's odds over State's. And I think recruits can understand that as well. State and OP have no advantage in terms of NFL players anymore. Face it, whether we are BCS are not, we are going to continue cutting into your pie. Now State and OP can wait until we've taken most of it and then challenge us to get it back, or you can try to nip us now. But in terms of the future success of USM, I don't have any problem with us not playing ya'll. My only interest in such a game is for entertainment. It would be a hell of an atmosphere. See: largest crowd in MS history.
I would have to take USM's odds over State's. And I think recruits can understand that as well. State and OP have no advantage in terms of NFL players anymore. Face it, whether we are BCS are not, we are going to continue cutting into your pie. Now State and OP can wait until we've taken most of it and then challenge us to get it back, or you can try to nip us now. But in terms of the future success of USM, I don't have any problem with us not playing ya'll. My only interest in such a game is for entertainment. It would be a hell of an atmosphere. See: largest crowd in MS history.
that USM will make a BCS game. You have to be undefeated to make it and when is the last time that has happened? Both school's chances are delusional but I believe State's is a tad less delusional just because of conference affiliation.
My point was not to compare the workers of the two regions, but more to emphasize that Toyota and Nissan were put there cause the area needed help. And blackjack dealers must be pretty smart, cause they always beat me by one....
I think you are missing the point...
I think you are missing the point...
Geez, your idiocy is growing by the minute. Toyota & Nissan were forced to locate where they did because those areas needed help....
and Canton and Tupelo are hot spots for future. We will just agree to disagree where the future of the state lies. Don't get me wrong, I love the coast but South MS is not a hotter bed of activity than Central and North MS as KLM??? said.
Well I'm tired of arguing. I made a typo in one of my posts. Here's to 11 - 2 State and 13 - 0 Southern Miss meeting in a BCS bowl. And in true BCS fashion, it will be the Fiesta Bowl. We can ride there together and argue this again.
Good luck next season. You're still way better than Ole Piss, just try not to pick up on their bad habits.
Good luck next season. You're still way better than Ole Piss, just try not to pick up on their bad habits.
When it comes to recruiting I think things are gonna change in the state. USM now has a coach that is goona challenge for some of these instate players and not just concede defeat. State and OM had free reign of the state to pick who they wanted. As i mentioned before these recruits are valuable to State because there are few to go around to support two such "dominant SEC schools". I truly think that over time USM will have more to offer a recruit (other than one that is stuck on the SEC just bc of the name). I can tell ya that these recruits in state are tired of winning 4-5 games a year but hearing man its worth it bc they are playing in the SEC. The recruits are starting to realize this load of crap thay they are fed and IMO things are gonna change.</p>
To suggest that the MS government did not have a significant role in bringing Toyota and Nissan and politicking for their placement. I hope the whole damn state gets more manufacturers, and I agree that if you are an engineer than the future is where the industry is. This may mean Central MS is better suited to you, if you are going to work for Nissan. But I am not, nor am I an engineer, and I am not an idiot, either.
Additionally, in case you didn't know....the state's largest employer and the top defense contractor in the world (okay maybe that was biased) is in Pascagoula. They are also about to expand presence in Mobile. So the Coast has some pretty attractive features as well. They have an awful big demand for good engineers, too. And top business students.
This is turning into more of an argument than a discussion. Good luck with next season, and tell Ron Polk not to let the door hit him in the *** on the way out.
Additionally, in case you didn't know....the state's largest employer and the top defense contractor in the world (okay maybe that was biased) is in Pascagoula. They are also about to expand presence in Mobile. So the Coast has some pretty attractive features as well. They have an awful big demand for good engineers, too. And top business students.
This is turning into more of an argument than a discussion. Good luck with next season, and tell Ron Polk not to let the door hit him in the *** on the way out.
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