Clocks and Bombs
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Dude if that was purposefully, i agree with him getting in trouble. It would be akin to yelling "fire" in a crowded place and justifying it with "i was just talking about my amazon tablet".
and on September 11, 2011 those four planes did not have a bomb either. The similarity were the culprits were MUSLIM.
Did you notice his precious little mother was in hajib?
I will tell you what is stupid as a country: letting in folks who hate us and want to kill every last one of those damned Christians, Buddhists, Jews and Hindus. Sorry but I suggest that you read the Quran before feeling sorry for anyone.
If you think the US is stupid, wait ten years or so and see what happens in Europe when these untold millions of Muslims settle in and get to work trying to impose Muslim culture in those places. Unlike "Christian" America, most Muslims take their religion seriously - and that includes those parts of Islam that much of the world sees as abhorrent. Things like female genital mutilation, honor killings, girls and women considered as property, intolerance of any people not Muslim, just for starters.
TOLERANCE is the name of the game. if the kid was a dick and tried to scare people, he should be held accountable for his actions. he shouldn't be hated because of his religion but because of his behavior.
Number one. I don't hate the kid. I don't even know him.
I don't hate the kid because of his religion. I hate his religion because it only teaches hate and murder. My religion does not teach me to kill non-Christians. Islam teaches the Muslims to KILL all non-Muslims. Sorry dude but that is the real fact about Islam.
When you find some redeeming quality in Islam post it. It will be the first.
Tolerance of Islam will get you killed.
No one, except the kid and his parents, knows what the kid's motive was. Could have been completely innocent, a test run or a scheme to gather sympathy for Muslims in the US. We can only speculate. One cannot deny however the connection between bombs and Islam and some caution is justified.
I can just imagine the firestorm that would erupt if public tax dollars were funneled through school voucher programs to fund fundamentalist Islamic schools in the U.S.
They don't need our help. Saudi Arabia will gladly foot the bill.
- The kid didn't build a clock; he took apart a manufactured clock and put it in a briefcase. That fact alone should get the kid handcuffed. Apparently all of the people on #teamahmed think this is some scientific feat that probably has him on track to graduate from MIT by the time he is 17?
- There are plenty examples of non-Muslim students being detained or punished for bringing things like toy guns, paper guns, pop-tart guns, etc. to school. If this kid was the first example of this reaction from the school/police or if there was a trend toward applying this level of scrutiny only to Muslims then I could see the bigotry angle.
- The reason the school wasn't evacuated was because they knew it wasn't a bomb. They thought it was a hoax bomb and bringing a hoax bomb to school is still something that will get you detained by police. Now whether this was a hoax bomb or just an alarm clock disassembled and put together in a briefcase (seriously, is this kid retarded? What's even the purpose of that), if the school thought he presented it in a way as to potentially provoke the reaction a bomb would get, he could still be detained for that. Again, not saying it's right or wrong, but they didn't have to think it was a bomb to proceed the way they did (see the toy gun examples)
- There are plenty examples of non-Muslim students being detained or punished for bringing things like toy guns, paper guns, pop-tart guns, etc. to school. If this kid was the first example of this reaction from the school/police or if there was a trend toward applying this level of scrutiny only to Muslims then I could see the bigotry angle.
- The reason the school wasn't evacuated was because they knew it wasn't a bomb. They thought it was a hoax bomb and bringing a hoax bomb to school is still something that will get you detained by police. Now whether this was a hoax bomb or just an alarm clock disassembled and put together in a briefcase (seriously, is this kid retarded? What's even the purpose of that), if the school thought he presented it in a way as to potentially provoke the reaction a bomb would get, he could still be detained for that. Again, not saying it's right or wrong, but they didn't have to think it was a bomb to proceed the way they did (see the toy gun examples)
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One depressing irony is that this kid was treated like a lot of other kids (read: white) who have done similarly stupid things; any Google search will yield countless examples. You'd would think this is a triumph of equality.
Of course, the reverse is true in the age of the Twitter Victims. A protected class is emerging that is off limits for discipline or criticism, with the acquiescence of a lot of people who should know better.
my opinion on this kid has changed rapidly. i originally thought he was in trouble for building a clock from scratch and bringing it to school. after this thread and doing more research, it appears as though he was trying to get a rise out of agitating people. if that is true, he should be doubly penalized for trying to break the safety net system to keep school children save. that is not okay to do. the false positive of this threat will acclimatize the police and school administrators to be less sensitive to real threats.
That's depressing.
Besides being completely wrong, the hilarious part is you're saying a religion is wrong because it excludes other religions, yet your conclusion is to exclude their religion.
You can pull all the hasty generalizations you want, people of all religions use it to extremes. There are bigots and murderers that use religion as a platform.
There are countless murders done in the Christian and Muslim faiths. I can quote Bible passages where people could make same claim as you about Christianity where God is made to look like a tyrant.
You're exclusionary views are very much the same thing you claim to repeal.
lol to anyone comparing Islam to Christianity. You have to have your blinders on.
You can't compare them presently..because Islam is too barbaric in the present day..but if you look at it by its age, which is 600 years younger than Christianity, and look at Christianity 600 years ago...they are about the same. 600 years ago Christians were slaughtering everyone.
I agree with that. Looking forward to the year 2615 when these Muslims finally calm down.
This is such a pathetic comparison, one that I'm just about sick to death of hearing and reading. First, I am no bible thumper. Second, I will oversimplify this to be sure: Two key events happened in Europe within short proximity of the other, followed a century and a half later by a third. When the first Crusade began so began that period and subsequent periods that give you basis for discredited to this day the Christian religion and European followers and the descendants. Then, the Norman Conquest of 1066, when William (a Norman Frank) invaded and conquered England and basically all the Kings and Queens who have sat on the British throne since have direct lineage to that man (i.e. England has been conquered by him ever since), thus shaping the course of history of Europe for the next thousand years. Then, in the 14th century, began in Italy a period of refinement known as the Renaissance, from which an explosion of creative thinking emerged and has prevailed not only throughout Europe and much of the world, but within the very throne of the Christian Church.
Point is this: (Apples and Oranges) Are you expecting within the tribal sects of the muslim cultures an self-establishment of order and a period of refinement that the rest of the world can rely upon that will settle them down such that the rest of us may live peacefully for the next 1000 years? Or are you willing to accept that they will continue to live by tribal law?
LEK, just read up on the teachings of Muhammad.
I am not making hasty generalizations. My statements are made after years of studying Islam.
Where are all those countless murders done by Christians in the name of their God?
Edit: the Christian Crusades were defensive because the Muslim hordes were invading Europe. The Muslims had already taken over Northern Africa and were in Spain, and at the gates of Vienna. I am not aware of Jesus telling his followers to cut peoples heads off, but Mohammed did.
So folks the similarities between Christianity and Islam being suggested simply do not exist. Sorry.
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I have man. My mercy overpowers My wrath. Islam, in its fundamental form, just like Christianity is peaceful. Both are. The issue is with extremists. Not the religion. People are holding onto it the way they have anything, blacks, gays, blue eyed, left handed. Islam doesnt teach bombs, it teaches to love thy neighbor. You do know the Quran contains many of the same writings and mirrors sections of the Bible and considers Moses, Abraham, Noah and Jesus prophets correct? Actually, Islam rejects original sin, saying man is bad. Heres the deal though, I am cherry picking, just like anyone else that says its bad or good. You can quote passages that say you must Jihad, and you can quote Old Testament where God kills a lot, from the entire world, to the pharoah's first born, to God killing 42 youngsters for making fun of Elisha's bald head. Doesnt matter, whack jobs, zealots, whatever, will use religion.
People can use religion as peace or as a sword.
Or as Jesus says, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Seriously, though, the murders by Christians? Pretty much from Constantine to the Inquisitions, millions have been murdered in His honor. I can point out singularities in America, that were done in the name of faith, from the KKK, to slavery, to the Army of God, to Eric Rudolph, to Bruce Hoffman, to Huatree zealots. Its not hard to find whack jobs. The issue isnt that Christianity is bad (though I can cite passages where God kills, Cannanites, Old Testament), its that men are violent. This is a poor argument on your side, as so much blood has been shed in the name of God, which is bullsh*t.
Faith in a higher power is supposed to evolve humans past the transgressions of monkeys. Its to think spiritually about our fellow man, not murder them.
I can show you countless examples of murders. This is a hasty generalization. Its where you take one instance or a handful , like whitesrule does, and then presuppose it upon the whole group.
My point is that there are whack jobs everywhere, Christian and Muslim, doesnt mean their faiths are bad. Or that a religion is tainted. I get its easier to group people as bad people with out really knowing ourselves. The root is that people are bad. Religion saves us from that.
I will inject another thought, but first I'll say that LEK has made some quality observations. However, there is real difficulty in attempting to understand how the Muslim and Arab culture ticks by examining just their religion. That process alone just isn't going to get the western observer over the top. I closed my last post with the only two words I know that will: tribal law.
Those people come from "invented" countries, and in many cases they do not even know where the lines are drawn nor do they care. "Tribal Law" are words I've used since reading Thomas Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem" when it was published in the late 80s. Mr. Friedman's efforts in the chapter "Hama Rules" goes a long way to helping the reader understand how the tribal cultures of the middle east will always dictate the persona of people connected to those regions. It is the way. Even for those not radicalized, they will bend to it, even find it acceptable from time to time the murderous ways of men like Hafez al-Assad and his son, the current President of Syria, Bashar al-Assad.
Tribal law prevailed over the people of those lands before they found this relatively new religion of theirs, roughly 1400 years ago, and it has continued to prevail. Again, it is the way. Although "From Beirut to Jerusalem" is now 2 1/2 decades after first publishing, it has been updated at least once with an additional chapter by Mr. Friedman, sold more than 4 million copies, received numerous awards, author is a Pulitzer winner. If a man were to choose just one book to read on the middle east, this is the book. So whichever side you are on, blaming Islam, defending Islam . . . you need to dig a little deeper to understand how those people work.
Those people come from "invented" countries, and in many cases they do not even know where the lines are drawn nor do they care. "Tribal Law" are words I've used since reading Thomas Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem" when it was published in the late 80s. Mr. Friedman's efforts in the chapter "Hama Rules" goes a long way to helping the reader understand how the tribal cultures of the middle east will always dictate the persona of people connected to those regions. It is the way. Even for those not radicalized, they will bend to it, even find it acceptable from time to time the murderous ways of men like Hafez al-Assad and his son, the current President of Syria, Bashar al-Assad.
Tribal law prevailed over the people of those lands before they found this relatively new religion of theirs, roughly 1400 years ago, and it has continued to prevail. Again, it is the way. Although "From Beirut to Jerusalem" is now 2 1/2 decades after first publishing, it has been updated at least once with an additional chapter by Mr. Friedman, sold more than 4 million copies, received numerous awards, author is a Pulitzer winner. If a man were to choose just one book to read on the middle east, this is the book. So whichever side you are on, blaming Islam, defending Islam . . . you need to dig a little deeper to understand how those people work.
Richard Dawkins now on record as saying he's suspicious the kid was "trying to get arrested".
The radical Islam topic really does make strange bedfellows these days
The radical Islam topic really does make strange bedfellows these days
The one thing everyone should learn is to wait for the evidence to come out before you do stupid crap like inviting the kid to the WH, Google, Facebook, etc.
That statement alone proves that you have never read the Quran. Sorry LEK.
Anyway I am out of this thread. I need friends and I don't need to make enemies.
I've read Thoo
The line "My mercy overpowers my wrath" is from the Quran. I haven't devoured it like I have the Bible, but as I said, we can both cherry pick. I get were not going to change each other's opinions, and I am ok with that. I think we both want more education on each side.
I did more reading last night, and there are some scary passages in the Quran, but the Bible has them too.
I think our split maybe that some see Islam as fundamentally bad, where I see people as fundamentally bad. Thats the power of religion, it can be a sword, or a giving hand.
We both agree there are very bad things in this world, and we both would like that to end.
No worries Bert, were just having a conversation.
The line "My mercy overpowers my wrath" is from the Quran. I haven't devoured it like I have the Bible, but as I said, we can both cherry pick. I get were not going to change each other's opinions, and I am ok with that. I think we both want more education on each side.
I did more reading last night, and there are some scary passages in the Quran, but the Bible has them too.
I think our split maybe that some see Islam as fundamentally bad, where I see people as fundamentally bad. Thats the power of religion, it can be a sword, or a giving hand.
We both agree there are very bad things in this world, and we both would like that to end.
You are falsely assuming anything other than optics to feed his base and to troll his enemies matters.
Mongol General: Conan! What is best in life?
Conan: Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
I don't care if the Koran talks about nothing but puppy dogs and butterflies, a huge proportion of people now
Lol... Obama, yes. Those clowns at MIT, Facebook and Microsoft, no.
Lol... Obama, yes. Those clowns at MIT, Facebook and Microsoft, no.
I'd go with this except most christians I know act nowhere remotely near Christ-like.....i'd mention the christian fanatics who've shot people...but that would be stupid....blaming an entire religion for the actions of a small percentage......thankfully, we're above that sort of thing.
It's such a small % of Islamic terrorists that people are fleeing those countries by the hundreds of thousands to get away from them.
Surprised US citizens aren't running for the borders with all the crazy Christians out there shooting people up.
Surprised US citizens aren't running for the borders with all the crazy Christians out there shooting people up.
The problem is you can't come up with enough to make a good comparison and almost none who say they do it in the name of God. Also, as said before ad nauseam, you do not see Christians dancing in the streets if a "professed" Christian does anything remotely similar to what Muslim terrorist do. The fact that some on here miss that shows a negative bias towards Christian lending no credit to their point of view. If more Muslims would come out denouncing such violence there would be more understanding of their religion.
That being said, I will agree that most Christians do not act anywhere near what Jesus taught. No argument there.
What? You can't see what all of those highly educated liberals see? You need to get in more. Those bubbles are full of misinformation.
Confusion that never stops
The closing walls and the ticking clocks gonna
Come back and take you home
I could not stop, that you now know
The closing walls and the ticking clocks gonna
Come back and take you home
I could not stop, that you now know
Bert, I see you have gotten back in the thread. So I will continue. I have obviously read more of the Quran than you, as you have missed what I even quoted. If you took time to actually read some if it, you would see that its actually very peaceful. What makes you think all Muslims are bad?
The funny thing, people who claim one religion is bad like that, are doing the same thing they claim to hate.
Uhm, they both justify murder Speers.
Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead - Judges 21:10-24
Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites - Numbers 31:7-18
David's Punishment - Rape, Baby Killing in 2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB
Rape of Female Captives - Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Sex Slaves - Exodus 21:7-11
Leviticus is just full of codes that tell us to kill people for wearing 2 different types of animals.
Thats my point. Its cherry picking. Literally every one saying Islam is bad, has absolutely no clue what the Quran states. Its the same as saying Marshall Applewhite or David Koresh represent the main core of Christianity.
Stickin' it in their *** is ok. They are still a virgin. That's why a lot of Muslim girls get butthole AIDs and yet have a ****** that hasn't ever been penetrated. They do a white cloth test on the girl to make sure she vaginally bleeds on it. If she doesn't vaginally bleed on the white cloth, she can technically be killed.