Co #1 QBs
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to make Russell feel important as well.
Mullen also said he wants to be balanced on offense- yet when he had Tebow and WR's like Harvin, Louis Murphy, Deonte Thompson, Riley Cooper, and TE Hernandez- they ran the ball 63% of the time.
Get back with me after the Auburn game about co- #1 QB's
Mullen also said he wants to be balanced on offense- yet when he had Tebow and WR's like Harvin, Louis Murphy, Deonte Thompson, Riley Cooper, and TE Hernandez- they ran the ball 63% of the time.
Get back with me after the Auburn game about co- #1 QB's
1) Good. Relf was clearly better after spring, but Russell has made great improvements. We'll have two good quarterbacks this season, for once.
2) Bad. Relf has regressed and Russell has gotten marginally better.
3) Mullen does not want to show his hand. And show that there are no guarantees of starting spots to get players to work harder.
In other words, we don't learn anything from this.
2) Bad. Relf has regressed and Russell has gotten marginally better.
3) Mullen does not want to show his hand. And show that there are no guarantees of starting spots to get players to work harder.
In other words, we don't learn anything from this.
When Mullen talked Relf up at SEC media days, you couldn't wait to get on here and brag about how Mullen apparently agreed with what you thought about Russell.<div>
</div><div>Now, we have them tied atop the depth chart, and it's all coachspeak.</div><div>
</div><div>Do you have to keep a chart of all your ******** or is it all organized in your head?</div>
</div><div>Now, we have them tied atop the depth chart, and it's all coachspeak.</div><div>
</div><div>Do you have to keep a chart of all your ******** or is it all organized in your head?</div>
because the guy you touted as being the best QB in State history 2 years ago can't even beat out Relf for the job, but the proof will be who gets the snaps. They can be labeled anything until then. Hell, Mullen also mentioned Farvuh at SEC media days as well and we all know there is no way in hell he plays unless both QB's get hurt.
I know Russell is going to play a good bit against Memphis because they are an inferior opponent and he needs experience. But we will see about "co-#1's" in the Auburn game when every possession counts and 1 possession could be the difference in the ballgame.
I know Russell is going to play a good bit against Memphis because they are an inferior opponent and he needs experience. But we will see about "co-#1's" in the Auburn game when every possession counts and 1 possession could be the difference in the ballgame.
if russell takes a snap in each of the 4 qts (edit: at auburn)... is he a legit co#1
I expect Relf to take more snaps all year, but I think Mullen is going to make him earn it on the field and until he does or Russell loses it... Russell will play about 60-40, basically i agree with you by the end of the year, but not by auburn
I expect Relf to take more snaps all year, but I think Mullen is going to make him earn it on the field and until he does or Russell loses it... Russell will play about 60-40, basically i agree with you by the end of the year, but not by auburn
...both Russell & Relf are getting an equal amount of reps in practice.
If Mullen really thinks Russell is a "co-#1 QB" after Russell's vehemently embarrassing showing in the spring game, then Mullen's fake punt attempt vs. Florida on MSU's 25 will suddenly begin to make more sense.
If Mullen really thinks Russell is a "co-#1 QB" after Russell's vehemently embarrassing showing in the spring game, then Mullen's fake punt attempt vs. Florida on MSU's 25 will suddenly begin to make more sense.
Coach34 said:
was not because they didn't have the WR's or TE's, but because they didn't have a great passer.
You can bring up Tebow's stats, and etc., and they are very good, but a lot of the reason that they were good was because Dan called plays that were plays that he could perform and have success running. It's no secret that Tebow was an excellent runner, and to not utilize that strength would be foolish.
If Tebow could throw a little bit better, I think you see more of a 50/50 split.
but no Todd, that's not the reason. In 2007, with those same players, Tebow threw the ball more- they were 57% to 43% pass. They ran the football more in 2008 because that is what it takes to be more successful- especially in this offense- you use the numbers advantage. Throwing it more didnt win them a NC.
Check Bama's stats last season- they have Jones and Maize at WR plus others. They can throw it as much as they want to. But they run it over 60% of the time because that's what wins football games.
67% run is a little high- but definitely look for us to be around 62-63% run
Check Bama's stats last season- they have Jones and Maize at WR plus others. They can throw it as much as they want to. But they run it over 60% of the time because that's what wins football games.
67% run is a little high- but definitely look for us to be around 62-63% run
I don't think Mullen is necessarily looking at a certain percentage of run vs pass, but rather plays off the strengths of the players.
I agree that we will run it more with Relf, but when Russell takes over, and we have better WR's, I think we will see numbers more like when Dan had Leak at QB.
I agree that we will run it more with Relf, but when Russell takes over, and we have better WR's, I think we will see numbers more like when Dan had Leak at QB.
Coach34 said:
Had a Heisman Winner at RB. And Richardson is pretty good as well. Plus, McElroy was a first year starter, so it made sense for them to run it more. I think that Bama with a now more experienced QB will throw a little bit more. Not 50% of the time, but slightly more. Saban has always wanted an offense that runs the ball a majority of the time.
I'd venture to say that Florida in 07 had to throw it a little more because they were likely behind more in 07 than 08. I say that because I know Florida lost a game or two that year.
definition of being balanced. He said it doesn't mean 50/50 run to pass. Being balanced is when the defense takes away the run, you can beat them with the pass and vice versa.
Ronny said "vehemently embarrassing"....not me...although with the two INT's, you can't say much positive about it
I dont want Russell to be awful, but I reported to the Board what some other coaches had said about him in that he wasnt a great QB, and after watching some highlights I agreed. Other posters around here proclaimed him to be the Saviour of our program and possibly the best QB to ever play for us. Afrodawg even said during his Sr year of HS he was already better than anybody we had playing QB. Bonedaddy proclaimed Mullen could not afford to RS Russell for the sake of his job and the effect it would have on recruiting. Others were raising hell about Mullen RS'ing him and thought he should be the starter last Fall.
To this point, I have been more right than the football experts of Sixpackspeak. He throws a pick on his 1st pass in the Spring Game- 2 for the day. He throws a pick-6 in 7 on 7 the first day of practice. Yet for some reason some posters, after cursing the day Tyson Lee was born for turning the ball over at bad times, still think he needs to be the QB for us.
Practice has started, games are just around the corner- judgement time is coming soon.
I dont want Russell to be awful, but I reported to the Board what some other coaches had said about him in that he wasnt a great QB, and after watching some highlights I agreed. Other posters around here proclaimed him to be the Saviour of our program and possibly the best QB to ever play for us. Afrodawg even said during his Sr year of HS he was already better than anybody we had playing QB. Bonedaddy proclaimed Mullen could not afford to RS Russell for the sake of his job and the effect it would have on recruiting. Others were raising hell about Mullen RS'ing him and thought he should be the starter last Fall.
To this point, I have been more right than the football experts of Sixpackspeak. He throws a pick on his 1st pass in the Spring Game- 2 for the day. He throws a pick-6 in 7 on 7 the first day of practice. Yet for some reason some posters, after cursing the day Tyson Lee was born for turning the ball over at bad times, still think he needs to be the QB for us.
Practice has started, games are just around the corner- judgement time is coming soon.
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I agree, we win or lose with relf at the beginning of the season. russell shouldn't go in unless it's a necessaity ie he kicks *** or practice or relf just loses his mind.
Russell was a true freshman last season, a redshirt freshman this season. Tyson Lee was a senior last year. Russell is doing what he is supposed to be doing right now, which is learning. He isn't supposed to be starting in the SEC, yet.Coach34 said:
that Russell had basically the 2nd string offense going against the 1st string defense. Thus, I would make too much of a basis on his performance in the Spring game.
I am leaning with C34 on this one though. Co-starters my ***. Relf will take a majority of the snaps. Tyler will see the field forthreedifferent scenarios:
1) MOP UP DUTY : vs. Memphis , Alcorn State, and UAB Tyler willplayoften. Hopefully the game will be out of hand in each occasion
2) RELF GETS INJURED : Relf is a running QB and he is liable to go out a few plays a game when he gets his bell rung
3) OFFENSE IS STAGNANT: Mullen may have to try a couple of different things when the offense isnt meshing, which will probably happen a couple of times this season
1) MOP UP DUTY : vs. Memphis , Alcorn State, and UAB Tyler willplayoften. Hopefully the game will be out of hand in each occasion
2) RELF GETS INJURED : Relf is a running QB and he is liable to go out a few plays a game when he gets his bell rung
3) OFFENSE IS STAGNANT: Mullen may have to try a couple of different things when the offense isnt meshing, which will probably happen a couple of times this season
this one.....'show me a team with two equal top qb's and i'll show you a team with two "b team" qbs". just quotin' the kang.
"oh, you have no idea how much I'd like him to be...
better than Russell. That would make my year"
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The only highlights on Russell would be from high school. You would have to look at the 1st or 2nd periods because the games were so gone that he was out most of the time.You say that you report what coaches have said. Are we to believe youareon the field or in their offices for these summations? This his second year on campus and has not played in game, but your crystal ball that reveals all and tells you all about everything MSU sports says he ****.
I don't root for Russell to be ****** or for Stansbury to lose...but I will comment on it when it happens. So far, Russell hasnt shown anything for anybody to think he is going to be great or any type of Saviour...when he puts up big numbers and leads us to some victories, we can all make posts about that as well. But until then, this is all we are left to talk about.
Thing is, we have people on here calling Kodi and Ravern pieces of **** and everything else imaginable, not to mention what all was said about Tyson Lee- but that stuff never gets mentioned as being negative or those people are never accused of wanting us to lose.
Thing is, we have people on here calling Kodi and Ravern pieces of **** and everything else imaginable, not to mention what all was said about Tyson Lee- but that stuff never gets mentioned as being negative or those people are never accused of wanting us to lose.