Coach = Greg Doyel
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here is a list of players since Stans has been HC that have been on some all SEC list.
Of those 9 players, I believe only 1 has played in a regular season NBA game (or games) and is no longer in the league. Again, only one of those players has been a member of a sweet 16 team (Washington). Yet, you assert that NBA players are not needed to make the sweet 16? I don't totally disagree with your premise, but you chose a poor example to present your case by listing 9 all SEC players under Stans of which only one has played anywhere close to significantly in the NBA and only one of which has even been a member of a sweet 16 team. </p>
- Tyrone Washington
- Robert Jackson
- Mario Austin
- Derrick Zimmerman
- Timmy Bowers
- Lawrence Roberts
- Shane Power
- Charles Rhodes
- Jamont Gordon
Of those 9 players, I believe only 1 has played in a regular season NBA game (or games) and is no longer in the league. Again, only one of those players has been a member of a sweet 16 team (Washington). Yet, you assert that NBA players are not needed to make the sweet 16? I don't totally disagree with your premise, but you chose a poor example to present your case by listing 9 all SEC players under Stans of which only one has played anywhere close to significantly in the NBA and only one of which has even been a member of a sweet 16 team. </p>
but the list of coaches that lost to Georgia this weekend is as follows:
- Andy Kennedy, referred to by some as a genius in December
- Billy Gillespie, referred to by some as a genius presently
- John Pelphrey, gets major credit for USA's climb out of obscurity
The loss to UGA was inexcusable. It was a terrible team effort and I was absolutely disgusted with our play. But don't sit there and act like no decent coaches would have lost to them last weekend becuase UGA beat some pretty good teams along the way, and some well thought of coaches.
- Andy Kennedy, referred to by some as a genius in December
- Billy Gillespie, referred to by some as a genius presently
- John Pelphrey, gets major credit for USA's climb out of obscurity
The loss to UGA was inexcusable. It was a terrible team effort and I was absolutely disgusted with our play. But don't sit there and act like no decent coaches would have lost to them last weekend becuase UGA beat some pretty good teams along the way, and some well thought of coaches.
Ole Miss should have beat UGA, if they did not call the TO to set up a defense Ole Miss wins.
Kennedy let UGA set up the play that got Bliss the game winner.
UK also lost in OT, we did not go to OT, but should have won.
We let UGA dictate the pace of the game, we did not apply any pressure on them.
MSU was in a uniquie situation where UGA had already played earlier in the day and we did not use that to our advantage.
Why Not??
Bliss and Jackson in foul trouble and do not take advantage by getting the ball to Rhodes inside.. WHY??
Gaines fouls out with 7 minutes left. What did we do?
We let UGA slow down the pace of the game, we play a damn zone, and in the second have we decide to shoot 3-pointers instead going inside.
No press, we don't even pick them up at half-court.
Stans is an Average Floor coach and was terrible on Saturday...</p>
Arkansas must not have watched our game b/c they had our same gameplan.</p>
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Kennedy let UGA set up the play that got Bliss the game winner.
UK also lost in OT, we did not go to OT, but should have won.
We let UGA dictate the pace of the game, we did not apply any pressure on them.
MSU was in a uniquie situation where UGA had already played earlier in the day and we did not use that to our advantage.
Why Not??
Bliss and Jackson in foul trouble and do not take advantage by getting the ball to Rhodes inside.. WHY??
Gaines fouls out with 7 minutes left. What did we do?
We let UGA slow down the pace of the game, we play a damn zone, and in the second have we decide to shoot 3-pointers instead going inside.
No press, we don't even pick them up at half-court.
Stans is an Average Floor coach and was terrible on Saturday...</p>
Arkansas must not have watched our game b/c they had our same gameplan.</p>
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We played terribly Saturday and Stansbury did a poor job coaching. But, you have to admit that the others did as well. Bruce Pearl didn't exactly coach a gem himself on Saturday either. Just about every coach has bad performances, just like players do. That isn't an excuse, it's a fact. I was furious after Saturday's performance and I still am. It's inexcusable. But, it's also not like we were the only ones that lost to GA and had no business doing so. We didn't play our game and it cost us. However, Stansbury took a team from 5-5 and in complete disarray and went 12-4 in the SEC regular season. Most of us thought the NIT was a longshot in December and now we are in the NCAA. That's a good coaching job. It doesn't make the loss go away or make it any better, but the whole picture isn't quite like you are painting it.</p>
No, we were the team that played UGA after they had played a game earlier in the same day.
We were they only team that had a huge advantage and our coach did not exploit it.
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did not have the huge advantage of being more talented teams and having better coaches than UGA? Only in your world could MSU losing to UGA be a monumental screw up by Stans while Kennedy, Gillespie, & Pelphrey all get a pass for losing to that same team when all four teams should have easily beaten UGA on paper.
I guess you did not read my earlier post.
I never said that....
You are a smart one...*** that is...
Ole Miss should have beat UGA, if they did not call the TO to set up a defense Ole Miss wins.
Kennedy let UGA set up the play that got Bliss the game winner.
That loss on Friday was on AK.
I did not watch the UK vs UGA game, so I will not comment.
I did watch part of UGA vs Ark and I think Pelphrey did not push the temp and press like he should have.
I never said that....
You are a smart one...*** that is...
Ole Miss should have beat UGA, if they did not call the TO to set up a defense Ole Miss wins.
Kennedy let UGA set up the play that got Bliss the game winner.
That loss on Friday was on AK.
I did not watch the UK vs UGA game, so I will not comment.
I did watch part of UGA vs Ark and I think Pelphrey did not push the temp and press like he should have.
the day after we lose in the NCAA tournament? And we will lose somewhere along the line. But Fishy, it doesn't mean that Stans is a terrible coach or that he was terrible that day.
Fish,
Fish,
Arkansas did try to push tempo. GA played zone against them and took their time on offense. It is much easier to slow a team down than it is to speed one up.
GA just played great over the SEC tournament. Vegaswatch.net had a great stat - If you had bet $10 on the GA money line against Ole Miss, taken the winnings and bet GA on the ML against KY, and kept rolling the winnings - that $10 would have turned into $1,725 after the ARK game- equivilant futures price of +17125. Futures price on GA before the tournament was only GA +5000 - the point is sometimes teams catch lightning in a bottle and there is nothing the other team can do about it.
On Stansbury - you can't just judge a coach by tournament success.
Look GM in 2006 - Do you really think Laranaga (George Mason's coach) is a better coach than Jim Calhoun, Roy Williams, and Tom Izzo (all beaten by GM in 2006)? GM played great for two weeks and beat teams with far more talent, including beating more talented coaching.
Luck, desire, what is going on in player's personal lives, etc.. can all impact individual games or a short series of games. Over time talent and coaching will prevail. That is what is so great about the NCAA tournament - Smaller, less talented teams can get hot and upset the big boys. The best coaches consistently get their teams in position to win in the NCAA's - after that all those other factors can really change a team's fortunes.
Fish,
Arkansas did try to push tempo. GA played zone against them and took their time on offense. It is much easier to slow a team down than it is to speed one up.
GA just played great over the SEC tournament. Vegaswatch.net had a great stat - If you had bet $10 on the GA money line against Ole Miss, taken the winnings and bet GA on the ML against KY, and kept rolling the winnings - that $10 would have turned into $1,725 after the ARK game- equivilant futures price of +17125. Futures price on GA before the tournament was only GA +5000 - the point is sometimes teams catch lightning in a bottle and there is nothing the other team can do about it.
On Stansbury - you can't just judge a coach by tournament success.
Look GM in 2006 - Do you really think Laranaga (George Mason's coach) is a better coach than Jim Calhoun, Roy Williams, and Tom Izzo (all beaten by GM in 2006)? GM played great for two weeks and beat teams with far more talent, including beating more talented coaching.
Luck, desire, what is going on in player's personal lives, etc.. can all impact individual games or a short series of games. Over time talent and coaching will prevail. That is what is so great about the NCAA tournament - Smaller, less talented teams can get hot and upset the big boys. The best coaches consistently get their teams in position to win in the NCAA's - after that all those other factors can really change a team's fortunes.
you showed a list of players that aren't in the NBA and that never made a Sweet Sixteen, we should logically conclude that a team doesn't need any NBA players to make a Sweet Sixteen? I mean really, I should have used that for Exhibit A in my argument. You just proved my point. I think it's hilarious that you think because in 2002 we had a 2nd and 3rd team All-SEC player, we should have been a Sweet Sixteen team.
It's official fishwater, you're a goddamn moron.
It's official fishwater, you're a goddamn moron.
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Sorry but, no you just don't get it...
Zimmerman, Austin and Roberts were all 2nd round draft picks in the NBA.
So we did have two players who drafted and we still did not make the Sweet 16 in 2002 or 2003.
And in 2004, we had Roberts and we still lost in the first round.
My point is that we have had great college talent, they just did not make it in the NBA.
The NBA thought they had a chance or they would not have drafted them at all.
Stans has had the talent, but somehow he just can't win in the NCAA tourney.
Maybe we will get lucky this year.</p>