http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab-...without-highly-touted-recruits-003147215.html
Is he throwing a hint about his recruiting?
Is he throwing a hint about his recruiting?
coach Ray tweeted this...
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You ******* need to decide which way you want to go. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Do you want the Sidney/AAU types or not? Because they are going to be primadonnas and hard to control no matter who the coach is, especially at MSU. There's a precious few guys that can really control that type of behavior, most notably John Calipari. Most others end up losing their jobs over them.
Let's don't generalize here, not every top recruit is a Sidney type. I mean we basically got him because a lot of other schools, including the LA schools, shyed away due to his known baggage. But I would hope the Rodney Hood type guys (ie. Malik Newman) that are highly recruited but are decent guys that work hard at their game WOULD be the type recruit that Ray goes after in a big way. You don't need a team full of those type recruits but usually having a couple of those is what can separate you from most other college teams.
It seems a growing number of them are. Sidney is definitely the extreme, but even Hood can usually dictate his terms. "Hmm, I don't like that MSU hired a new coach? **** it, I'll go to Duke"....sort of hard to control that sort of thing. Unless, of course, you are Duke, Kansas, North Carolina, UCLA, Kentucky, etc. and have the stroke and depth to back it up.
And I definitely don't think Ray is going to avoid the high-profile players. But he is definitely going to hand-pick them before he wastes a bunch of time on them. I'd rather him spend that time recruiting a number of solid, coachable players and a select few studs, preferably MS guys like Dampier.
And I definitely don't think Ray is going to avoid the high-profile players. But he is definitely going to hand-pick them before he wastes a bunch of time on them. I'd rather him spend that time recruiting a number of solid, coachable players and a select few studs, preferably MS guys like Dampier.
It's very important. Just remember that stars dont necessarily mean all-star player.
And nobody needs to get their hopes up on Newman- it may happen, but it's a longshot at best he stays in-state
I think Ray should pay attention to the players that VCU, FGCU, Wichita State and LaSalle's of college basketball offer and committ. These players are so much more likely to switch to MSU than the 5* top 100 player. Find out who these successful mid-majors offer and then send an MSU offer too. Let them do the homework and MSU cherry picks them. Sounds ****** but it's smart imo. Those schools have a proven eye for talent.
Sounds good in theory. But I think it's more who the coaches offer, than just the school. And there's much work to be done to get that relationship in place. And there again, it's not as if they are offering one or two stud players, it's the strength in numbers deal, when you're recruiting to VCU and LaSalle.
So MSU, with its rich basketball tradition, could just come in and sweep these young ballers off their feet?
Seems easy enough.
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What a ****** false choice you provide. You are trying to phrase the argument so it is either Ray recruits elite talent that is all lazy, entitled, and immature or he recruits lesser talent.
A ****** false choice.
Programs all over the country are littered with talented players who arent lazy, who arent entitled, and who arent immature.
Would it be difficult to lure them to MSU? Sure. But dont try to phrase the argument like these players dont exist.
We have no chance with Booker or Newman. Too much is made of Sidney albeit he led to the demise of the program but we had numerous players who lots of folks wanted who played hard all the time. Rick Ray now clearly has the opportunity with a great practice facility to attract good players. The question is, will he?
so far so good. I think the PG out of R-Kansas will be ok. The juco kid gives us flexibility with him being able to play the 3 or 4 at 6'8...the Center is a project but he did start for the top HS team in the nation. He needs to RS and get stronger
I'm curious to see who we sign this coming November. Need another post player and SG
That would be awesome to bring in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc coming of Dampier every couple of years. You guys seem to have it figured out.
Little early to say we have NO chance. There is a lot that can happen with a guy that is still as far away from signing as he currently is. If Ray shows marked improvement next year I don't see why there isn't at least the possibility we could move up his list given his Father's connection with MSU.
What I would like to see us get is a few more skilled fundamentally sound players even if they are not as athletically talented or highly rated. Some of our best teams always had those kind of guys on it. Players like Greg Carter, Shane Power, Brandon Vincent, and even Barry Stewart.
Players are in college for such a short time that there just is not time to take on a project or teach them a lot of fundamentals.
Players are in college for such a short time that there just is not time to take on a project or teach them a lot of fundamentals.
There are several issues with these ideas, but I'll start with the biggest one. National Signing day for basketball is November.....Think that through, before there senior season even begins!!! So you have to fill your class based on they're junior seasons, not watching seniors like other sports. Now the players can sign later into the year but no coach at a larger program is going to wait it out. So these "smaller" schools basically take the seniors that everybody else has passed on much later in the process. Yes, they find some really good coal and turn it into something. One article from earlier today talked about how Chase Feiler, yeah the kid with the dunk from FGC, couldn't even dunk his freshman year on campus. Today he has maybe the most impressive dunk in any tourney game ever...Who knew? Point being, at a BCS program, your betting the world on juniors that haven't even stopped growing yet, its a crap shoot at best. And in most cases your only signing 2-3 players a year so that makes it even tougher to guess right. So with all that said, yes, the best answer probably is a super model wife but if that doesn't work out, the rest is guess work.