Coach, the very basic flaw in your thinking on this....

gravedigger

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Going to have to call you on this incredible reasoning

I think we would come close to a sellout...

There would be a lot of fans that don't make the drive to S-Vegas show up in Jackson.
I know of a bunch of people, that are not season ticket holders, that would go to the game.
Putting butts in the seat would not be a problem, imo...

Are you saying that we have fans that wont come 2.5 hours to Starkville from 17ing Jackson, but will attend a game in that turd of a stadium, AFTER the experience most everyone remembers from the pro game with Colts game?

What on earth prevents them, if they are fans from attending a game on campus, that doesnt prevent them in Jackson?
 

FlabLoser

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I did a quick search and couldn't find attendance numbers for the last two games in Jackson.

FlabLoser was at the last Egg Bowl in Jackson. It was packed. Also had a good fight on the football field.

I think MSU would draw a decent crowd in Jackson. I know I'd bring twice as many people as I bring to Starkville because they can't get tickets for Starkville.
 

Coach34

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Going to have to call you on this incredible reasoning



Are you saying that we have fans that wont come 2.5 hours to Starkville from 17ing Jackson, but will attend a game in that turd of a stadium, AFTER the experience most everyone remembers from the pro game with Colts game?

What on earth prevents them, if they are fans from attending a game on campus, that doesnt prevent them in Jackson?

alot of people wont drive the 2 hours...its that simple. Or they will do it once a season. But would go to the game in Jackson in a heartbeat.
 

Dawgzilla

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Don't get me wrong....I hope they do it. It's great for us. I just don't believe that they would be so shortsighted. Yeah, the check that the Athletic Department gets would be larger but at what expense to the community and program.

There is a monetary value to the local community when an SEC team comes to town and all the hype and excitement for the fans and recruiting is a big deal. Maybe they'll bite and take a bigger check.

When I'm an AD at a crappy Sun Belt school I will never sell out.

It really depends upon their individual situation. Troy was all fired up about having an SEC team come to town, and had reason to believe they might actually win, so I don't think their game would have been for sale. LA Tech, OTOH, has already hosted MSU before, and they have beaten SEC teams on the road. If the money works out for them they would probably consider it. USA probably doesn't have much of a fan base anyway, and I wouldn't be surprised if they could be enticed.

I just think the game will be a lot more expensive than C34 realizes. Sponsorship money could make it happen, though.
 

VegasDawg13

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I know I'd bring twice as many people as I bring to Starkville because they can't get tickets for Starkville.

Considering the fact that no game until Tennessee has been sold out before the week of the game, and it just sold out a day or two ago, this statement is complete ********.
 

DowntownDawg

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Ya'll are crazy. It's all about the opponent....

...people go to the State games against patsies because they are part of the season ticket package and they want to go tailgate and spend the Saturday on campus. We drew well in Jackson when we were playing LSU, Alabama, and Ole Miss because they would bring a number of fans and we were playing an SEC team.

You are asking people to now make an extra cash outlay, go to a crappy stadium, see a crappy team, and not tailgate.

It's not happening. 50,000 is laughable.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for this because it helps our team without question. But it'll happen one time and the investors will lose their *** and that will be it. And that's fine with me.
 

DowntownDawg

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This is incorrect....

....ULM was the visiting team and Arkansas was the home team. This was reflected in the jerseys and on both schools' official sites. This year, Arkansas simply has 8 home games, with 2 of them in Little Rock.

Last year, Arkansas had 7 home games with 2 in Little Rock, 4 true away games, and a neutral site game in Dallas. This is the latest trend of the larger programs - which is to manage 7 home games and to play a true neutral site game against a name opponent. We're doing this next year apparently as well.

They have 8 at home this year because their series with Texas A and M abruptly changed to a conference series and the presidents agreed to shift it to a home and home series for now.
 

DowntownDawg

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It's not about how many State fans would show up, it's about the total gate. It's about the crowd size because that is what determines whether or not the "investors" turn a profit.

I agree that if the investment group of State fans breaks even, then it's a win-win for the home field advantage. But let's not pretend like we've got a big money maker here. In fact, they could lose money very easily on this. And if that happens, it will be a one time deal.
 

DowntownDawg

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We all think we are the average State fan, but I guarantee you that there are more of me than there are VHDawg's out there, which is not to say that it's great for the program. The average State fan has a mortgage, kids, demanding jobs, and a wife who gives them enough hell about the seven Saturdays and the related cost that you spend anyway. And I'd also say that while I understand the need to schedule as we have done recently and I wouldn't change that for anything, I get enough with going to watch 3 patsies in Starkville.

You'd get your truemaroons like VH. You'd get your local Jackson folks, and you might get a few who don't want to drive to Starkville from the Coast. But that number's not significant. The opponent brings virtually nobody with them, and I think you end up with 30k folks. It would be totally different if you were playing a quality opponent. Period.

I still think you are better off playing at Tulane and Memphis and staying away from Troy and La Tech.
 

TSUNBearHunter

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How much longer are we going to discuss this ridiculous *** pipe dream? It's ******* stupid to waste the bandwidth on the discussion.

This dream will never happen. It's retarded to even think it will.
 

jcdawgman18

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I think there's actually a much more recent event to consider.

Think about the spring game last year. Lots of folks wanted to believe that having the concert and selling tickets would be instant money and the athletic department had a stroke of genius to think of it. If you listened to "This is Our Show" this week, Stricklin himself said "we aren't going to do a concert this year because we didn't do as well as we wanted to financially."

Now, I would honestly put watching State play against South Alabama only slightly above a spring game on the entertainment/drama scale. And while I went to the spring game and would go to a game in Jackson provided I didn't have a work conflict, I think you'd have a similar situation. So if I'm an investor, how can I look at the way the spring game deal played out, when State's Ath. Dep. didn't have to pay stadium fees (other than simple operation), paid significantly less for band/stage/etc than any of these teams would accept to move their game, had built in surrounding events to draw people from (it was Super Bulldog Weekend for crying out loud), charged similarly for tickets, and came to the conclusion that they don't want to try that again, WHY would I want to put myself out there with minimal chance of success?

Now, if we have folks who simply want to throw money at this away game situation to make it go away, that's fine. But I agree with DowntownDawg, to act like this is easy money is erroneous. I would love to our team be able to avoid those trips, but it won't surprise me if we still end up making them.
 

Maroonthirteen

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Actually, it was, technically, ULM's home game.

http://www.ulmwarhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=19000&ATCLID=1315926


Regardless, War Memorial may not have all the suites and amenities of these new stadiums but it is a good place to watch a ball game. Also, if War Memorial is a piece of crap.....then MS Vet Memorial is the morning after an all night drunk, polished off with Crystals chill cheese pups kind of crap. Also, to say, "Hey look at Little Rock and Arkansas, Jackson can do it." That is like saying "Bill Clinton was once President. Why can't Haley Barbor?"

With all that said, I think it would be a great move to play Troy or La Tech or ULM or AState in Jackson instead of at their place. I think if MS ever wants to have that special relationship that Little Rock and Arkansas have, then a game like this needs to happen. However, I will be very surprised if the funding is there to make this happen. Little Rock and all of Central Arkansas is 99% Razorback.....people and businesses. They have had debates over there the past decade about if they should keep playing in Little Rock......even with all the support.
 

Maroonthirteen

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Yep, opponent is key

Little Rock, again with a 99% Razorback population, has soft sell outs for most games there except versus LSU. Because the games have all been against MSU (which we bring maybe 1,000 fans...Croom years and one Dan year when I went) and some directional school. LSU is usually a tough ticket.
 

patdog

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That's just a stupid comparison. You can't even begin to compare a regular season game to a spring game. Especially one we charged $30 a ticket for when most schools don't charge more than $5 for a spring game. I've been to one spring game in my life, my first year at MSU. I knew within 20 minutes I would never go to another one.
 

Toby Nash

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It was a cool place. Spent a lot of Saturday and Sunday afternoons pulled up in the boat there. It really stinks that it looks like they tore it down for no reason. There's nothing going on there now.
 

paindonthurt_

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Its pretty 17ing simple. C34 is a douche, but..................

would you rather drive to Mobile, Ruston, Birmingham and watch MSU play USA, La Tech, UAB OR would you rather drive to Jackson and watch any of the 3 play MSU?

You can argue semantics and whether they'd agree to it or not. But if the administration could work it out financially and logistically which would you rather?
 

Coach34

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...people go to the State games against patsies because they are part of the season ticket package and they want to go tailgate and spend the Saturday on campus. We drew well in Jackson when we were playing LSU, Alabama, and Ole Miss because they would bring a number of fans and we were playing an SEC team.

You are asking people to now make an extra cash outlay, go to a crappy stadium, see a crappy team, and not tailgate.

It's not happening. 50,000 is laughable.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for this because it helps our team without question. But it'll happen one time and the investors will lose their *** and that will be it. And that's fine with me.

You are way off. People hate driving all the way to Starkville for patsy games. Lots of season ticket holders dont attend these games- they give their tickets to friends who arent season ticket holders to go in their places. Or sell them very cheaply. Especially people that are 4+ hours away. Instead of having to burn all that money for gas and all the extra time driving, they can go to Jackson for the afternoon and enjoy themselves.

And the plan is not to JUST have a game. This is going to be an event. Going to have an outdoor concert, sell beer, bouncy castles for kids, etc....It's going to be a 1st class event, with proper planning, and done correctly
 

ScoobaDawg

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alot of people wont drive the 2 hours...its that simple. Or they will do it once a season. But would go to the game in Jackson in a heartbeat.

Exactly..plus how many people cant afford/get season tickets and would jump at the chance to have a chance to see a sucessful MSU football program. I dont think we get 50k for USA..but I could see 40k easily.
 

patdog

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It doesn't really help attendance when the Jackson game is 2 days before Christmas.
 

ronpolk

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DowntownDawg, no offense but a game in Jackson would not be in hopes that the small NEMS population would come. The game would be hosted in Jackson to draw the 500,000 people in the Jackson metro area. I just know that if faced with the option of going to Memorial stadium or sitting at home, I'm going to the game.
 

MSU Fan.sixpack

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There is so much pure stupidity in this thread that I can't believe I just read it. Anybody that doesn't think a Jackson game will draw a huge crowd is a 17'ing moron. It's BY FAR the largest metro area in the state and more centrally located than Starkville. Why this is even being debated I have no clue. Why any State fan is against an AWAY game being played in Jackson I have no clue either.

I feel dumber for having read this thread. I want the last ten minutes of my life back.