Coach34, Reb offense gonna stay potent, or will SEC defenses make adjustments?
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Not Coach, but my thoughts are...
they will still be productive but Wallace will continue to make mistakes which will prevent them from beating teams with equal talent. I don't expect much more than what we witnessed this year, but they will end up with a better record than 6-6 based on their easy schedule. They really need a big, physical back to make their offense more productive.
they will still be productive but Wallace will continue to make mistakes which will prevent them from beating teams with equal talent. I don't expect much more than what we witnessed this year, but they will end up with a better record than 6-6 based on their easy schedule. They really need a big, physical back to make their offense more productive.
I'm no former football coach, but I'm thinking if the D-line can get pressure on Wallace, and not allow him to escape, they'll fold like a cheap tent. But we SUCKED at bringing pressure this year. Will we be able to next year? Will the change in D coaching help accomplish this?
Less simplified, do we have the talent & philosophy to get after the QB with our D-line, do we have the talent in the defensive backfield to jam their WR's at the line and stay with them, and do we have the talent & philosophy at LB to cover RBs & TEs coming out to take away the quick pass Wallace will be looking for assuming we can bring pressure with our D-line?
Less simplified, do we have the talent & philosophy to get after the QB with our D-line, do we have the talent in the defensive backfield to jam their WR's at the line and stay with them, and do we have the talent & philosophy at LB to cover RBs & TEs coming out to take away the quick pass Wallace will be looking for assuming we can bring pressure with our D-line?
I think they will still have a good offense. But you will definitely see some adjustments. I agree with Bogey about Sunshine making big mistakes still- but a more physical RB will help take the pressure off.
They will be pretty good next season- no doubt. I think they could definitely win 8 games
It's a gimmick offense that real SEC teams will squash
It caught powerhouses like Texas A&M and The Mississippi State off guard last year. A&M had Johnny Football to bail them out, while we had Tyler Leadfoot. At the end of the day, SEC Defensive coordinators will adjust to this and crush them like the Sunbelt-level skool they really are.
It caught powerhouses like Texas A&M and The Mississippi State off guard last year. A&M had Johnny Football to bail them out, while we had Tyler Leadfoot. At the end of the day, SEC Defensive coordinators will adjust to this and crush them like the Sunbelt-level skool they really are.
Msu nor Ole Miss will ever win a conference championship with our gimmick offenses. After all factors, added in, taken out, only one fact remains...The shortest way between two points is always a straight line. We have to run the football better. Period. The only way a counter/playaction/gimmick play works, is because a previous ,set up play, was executed, perfectly. This is one area where Ole Miss is better than us, hands down. Taking a dump truck to the deer stand would accurately describe the sneakiness of our OC's play calling.
Which 8 games? They could easily start off 1-6 if Vandy kicks that *** aGain and Texas is better next year:
Aug. 31 at Vanderbilt
Sept. 7 Southeast Missouri
Sept. 14 at Texas
Sept. 21 OPEN
Sept. 28 at Alabama
Oct. 5 at Auburn
Oct. 12 TEXAS A&M
Oct. 19 LSU
Oct. 26 IDAHO
Nov. 2 OPEN
Nov. 9 ARKANSAS
Nov. 16 TROY
Nov. 23 MISSOURI
Nov. 30 at Mississippi State
Aug. 31 at Vanderbilt
Sept. 7 Southeast Missouri
Sept. 14 at Texas
Sept. 21 OPEN
Sept. 28 at Alabama
Oct. 5 at Auburn
Oct. 12 TEXAS A&M
Oct. 19 LSU
Oct. 26 IDAHO
Nov. 2 OPEN
Nov. 9 ARKANSAS
Nov. 16 TROY
Nov. 23 MISSOURI
Nov. 30 at Mississippi State
Losses
@Tejas
@Alabama
Texas A&M
@State
LSU is a toss-up and maybe one they can pull off
You are mistaken. This offense will be good again next year because they are playing 11 in 11. Where as when we are using Tyler it's 11 on 10. The difference is the threat of the running qb as an equalizer. And Wallace will get better after another year in the offense. Sorry but it's a fact.
I don't really see either of our offenses as gimmicky, if there really is such a thing anymore. I do agree with not winning conference titles for the foreseeable future though with Saban at Bama.
Someone forgot to tell Florida about this -- who has never won a conference championship WITHOUT what you are describing as a "gimmick" offense.
I counter that the ONLY way we ever have a chance to win big in this conference is to have a cutting edge, innovative offense to go along with the elite-level defense that each of us are capable of producing. I don't think either is capable of being truly "elite" offensively, so we must do things in a slightly different way to cancel the talent gap...
Show of hands: If we ran Alabama's offense, which is nothing more than a pro-pound/playaction tightend on third down, non flashy, efficiant offense, would we be better off this coming year? TR is not a spread guy.
I agree. Gimmicks are plays in which you're trying to fool a superior defense with things they haven't seen or don't see very often, like flea flickers, multiple reverses, double passes, and Malzahn plays like the one where the running back tries to hide behind the offensive line at the snap, to name a few. Zone reads and other spread option staples might have been considered gimmicks ten or fifteen years ago, but they're standard now; nothing an opposing defense isn't going to expect.
I think it would depend on how we use our running backs
If we ran an Alabama style offense and asked Perkins to be an every down back- no. If we used Shumpert and Robinson along with Perkins- then maybe. We need to demand that our wide receivers step up no matter who our QB is because again, even if Dak were our QB we still are going to have to be able to throw the ball effectively. I think having Brewster for an entire season as well as having Chapelle and adding D'Runnya Wilson and having a healthy Malcolm Johnson is going to have a big impact next year. With these freshmen coming in, we are going to have more size on the outside and that will hopefully help us in the red zone and on third down.
If we ran an Alabama style offense and asked Perkins to be an every down back- no. If we used Shumpert and Robinson along with Perkins- then maybe. We need to demand that our wide receivers step up no matter who our QB is because again, even if Dak were our QB we still are going to have to be able to throw the ball effectively. I think having Brewster for an entire season as well as having Chapelle and adding D'Runnya Wilson and having a healthy Malcolm Johnson is going to have a big impact next year. With these freshmen coming in, we are going to have more size on the outside and that will hopefully help us in the red zone and on third down.
Why are there so many posters named coach who apparently aren't doing what their name implies? Seriously coach 22,24, papa bear hut hut. If you all are coaches why aren't you coaching?. Because clearly you aren't. So how would that addage go those that can, do, those that can't, coach, those that can't coach, pose on a message board as those that can coach.
You tell me?
Dan has given us the 4 best offenses we've ever had at MSU in terms of total offense -- after 100 years of trying(and failing) to do it your way.
Alabama's offense is so successful because they out athlete people on both sides of the ball. Feel free to cite me any non-traditional power that wins big with a conventional pro-style offense...if you can? While you are trying, I'll name you 10 that win with innovation...
I see 4 built in wins, I'm counting Mizzou as the fourth. Until Mizzou proves otherwise, they suck. All else is wide open with the only exception being bama at this point. Ya just don't know what anybody's got at this stage.
Im not doubting Dan's style. Im doubting his style with our current team. I dont care about stats. Im concerned more with being in ball games in the 4th qrt. Somethings got to give. If I remember correct, our best games under Dan, when we lost to Lsu on the goal line, when we had Tebow on the ropes and when bama was shitting there pants at Davis Wade a few years back, those teams were in the ball game for two reasons only. We ran the ball well and managed the clock,like a boss. Thats how you knock off bama/lsu. We will never beat them throwing it around the yard. Bottom line: Dan's 100% offense=scrambling qb, period.
I also say the Rebs will be better...
Y'all do realize Wallace played with a separated shoulder on his throwing arm from the Tulane game forward. It was separated to the point that new bone grew into the space. Ouch!
Y'all do realize Wallace played with a separated shoulder on his throwing arm from the Tulane game forward. It was separated to the point that new bone grew into the space. Ouch!
It might help too that he should get to play his first time in an SEC game without a separated throwing shoulder. A good number of his INTs this year were due to throwing the ball with a separated shoulder all year.
The rest were simply him forcing the ball, which I hope he improves this off-season.
Our offense should be better this year. Freeze pulled back the reins a lot this past year due to our defensive depth. That'll be better this year, so we should open it up and speed it up.
The key with the offense, which Oregon, Clemson, and a bunch of others use, is the option with the hurry up. If your QB reads the defense properly, the only way to beat it is for your defense to have players make an exceptional play to throw it off schedule. That's what Stanford did to Oregon this year. As far as this year is concerned, if Wallace stays healthy I bet we come close to 40 points per game.
I count those four as losses and I would expect them to lose to LSU, as well. The Vandy game will be huge for them. Playing them that early again this year does not help OM out because even a top 3 class won't help them much in the first game due to the new guys will lacking SEC experience - studs or not.
I'm thinking they win 5 or 6 games next year.
I'm thinking they win 5 or 6 games next year.
We return 19 or 20 starters. We shouldn't be relying on a bunch of freshmen in the opener. I would say having that game early with Vandy breaking in a new starting QB should be an advantage for us.