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This scenario is ridiculous. We don’t know how Beamer is going to do. We have two coaches who are performing incredibly poorly. Paris should be fired at the end of the season. Mainieri will likely be fired at the end of the season also. If I had to pick one out of them it would be Paris, but I see no world in which both aren’t gone.

Mainieri will "resign" IMO.

Basketball is more important to get right compared to baseball from a financial standpoint.

Thank you for noting the finances. All sports are important, especially for the athletes. But yes, you cannot ignore finances, especially if you are in a P4 conference.
 

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It seems like a silly strategy. Thus far, he has not shown the capacity to coach. If the one good season provides proof he CAN coach, what do the 3 historically bad seasons prove?
It is the same logic used to defend Beamer. He has a couple good seasons, that proves he is a good coach, so we need to ignore the bad seasons.
 
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Here is my reason: in the last 40 years you have to say we are baseball over basketball program when compared. Given the extreme highs of baseball, it can be argued we are a "baseball school" if a definition must be applied. You just can't hire over the hill coaches ESPECIALLY in an era of baseball where new school thoughts, philosophies and play are prevalent and working. That's hard for me to say .... b/c I much prefer the old school approach.
That said...this is why I jumped up and down to back up the truck in order to get Josh Elander when Vitello was still at UT. We missed big with that one.
Good post. I remember you speaking of Elander. Checked his credentials etc back then. I was hoping for him also.
 
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Mainieri will "resign" IMO.



Thank you for noting the finances. All sports are important, especially for the athletes. But yes, you cannot ignore finances, especially if you are in a P4 conference.
Concur on Mainieri statement.
 

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It seems like a silly strategy. Thus far, he has not shown the capacity to coach. If the one good season provides proof he CAN coach, what do the 3 historically bad seasons prove?

Great question. Much like with Beamer, how many failure seasons are worth the one great season?

For Paris, the one good season is the strong outlier, not the norm.
 
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Great question. Much like with Beamer, how many failure seasons are worth the one great season?

For Paris, the one good season is the strong outlier, not the norm.
Extreme outlier, to say the least. 60% of Lamont's SEC wins came in the '23-'24 season.
 
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It seems like a silly strategy. Thus far, he has not shown the capacity to coach. If the one good season provides proof he CAN coach, what do the 3 historically bad seasons prove?

That he had the intestinal fortitude needed to make the changes necessary to prove that one season was an anomaly?
 
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It is the same logic used to defend Beamer. He has a couple good seasons, that proves he is a good coach, so we need to ignore the bad seasons.
I think Beamer has potential, I believe he has finally learned to hire solid proven experiences coaches at their positions, especially OC and OL, the RB coach is an upgrade as well!
 

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I think Beamer has potential, I believe he has finally learned to hire solid proven experiences coaches at their positions, especially OC and OL, the RB coach is an upgrade as well!
I THINK? Sure makes me feel at lot better. You bash Paris but you THINK Beamer has potential.

With all of Beamer's past head coaching success and given that we are paying him 2x Paris, I can understand your confidence in Beamer vs Paris.
 
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beamer stays for now, at least we’re close there. we’re not getting boat raced on saturdays. most of our losses we were in it to the end. i never want to see something like atm happen ever agin though. mbb we just can’t get the players. we need a few ballers. i don’t care who the coach is, this is a money issue. if we can’t pay them, we aint gotta chance in the first place. simple as that. so i’d say pm has to go. he was a band aid that immediately fell off a cut that needs surgery. only a handful of baseball players are getting big time contracts to
play, pitchers throwing high heat, and the guys who consistently hit bombs. we can handle that. coaching on all fronts have been mediocre to just bad in baseball. for those thinking he’ll just retire walking off into the sunset forgoing the money left on his contract, think again. he and ray’s friendship would survive, but any relationship between ray and AD will be lost if his termination gets financially sticky.

when you have a coach say “i knew the league was good, but i didn’t know it was like this!!”, they gotta go. just close the door on all of that.
 
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beamer stays for now, at least we’re close there. we’re not getting boat raced on saturdays. most of our losses we were in it to the end. i never want to see something like atm happen ever agin though. mbb we just can’t get the players. we need a few ballers. i don’t care who the coach is, this is a money issue. if we can’t pay them, we aint gotta chance in the first place. simple as that. so i’d say pm has to go. he was a band aid that immediately fell off a cut that needs surgery. only a handful of baseball players are getting big time contracts to
play, pitchers throwing high heat, and the guys who consistently hit bombs. we can handle that. coaching on all fronts have been mediocre to just bad in baseball. for those thinking he’ll just retire walking off into the sunset forgoing the money left on his contract, think again. he and ray’s friendship would survive, but any relationship between ray and AD will be lost if his termination gets financially sticky.

when you have a coach say “i knew the league was good, but i didn’t know it was like this!!”, they gotta go. just close the door on all of that.
Disagree and agree with your assessment. We had a lottery pick last year and supposedly some good young talent and we were still awful.
I think that we definitely need more talent but Paris thought the talent we have would be good for this year.
Paris is NOT the coach we need.
If we give him one more year it will most likely be another empty CLA year.
 
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I think Beamer has potential, I believe he has finally learned to hire solid proven experiences coaches at their positions, especially OC and OL, the RB coach is an upgrade as well!
We will see soon enough. Hasn't he promised playoffs this year?
 
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I think Beamer has potential, I believe he has finally learned to hire solid proven experiences coaches at their positions, especially OC and OL, the RB coach is an upgrade as well!
Maybe he tried before but didn't have any takers. Don't forget his initial hires would have had more coaching experience then he had at the upper level schools.
 

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Disagree and agree with your assessment. We had a lottery pick last year and supposedly some good young talent and we were still awful.
I think that we definitely need more talent but Paris thought the talent we have would be good for this year.
Paris is NOT the coach we need.
If we give him one more year it will most likely be another empty CLA year.
well, if I’m reading the tea leaves correctly and everyone is saying NIL was the issue and we need to double it, then I believe that he would concede that he didn’t have the players to compete. If he said so last fall, it could’ve been Coachspeak, I don’t know what he really thinks about his players.
 

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Disagree and agree with your assessment. We had a lottery pick last year and supposedly some good young talent and we were still awful.
I think that we definitely need more talent but Paris thought the talent we have would be good for this year.
Paris is NOT the coach we need.
If we give him one more year it will most likely be another empty CLA year.
And he will be gone for sure after one more season.
 

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In 2014 Dabo had one more championship than Beamer has (and an equal number to the total South Carolina football has). He was 4-3 in bowls and 57-24 overall. He had 4 10 or better win seasons and 1 9 win season. In the four seasons leading up to 2015, he had 10,11,11 and 10 win seasons. His worst season was 6-7 in 2010. Until this past season, he had won 9 or more games for 14 seasons in a row.

Nobody around here likes Dabo or Clemson, but trying to diminish his record to make Beamer look better isn't going to work.
Nobody is trying to diminish Dabo’s record lol… I didn’t realize he had already coached 7 years in 2014. I thought he was in year 5 or 6. I’m simply stating that it’s not like he came out the gate kicking *** in the SEC. He had some good seasons sure, but the competition was extremely weak at the time. What CSB has had to face is a much stiffer battle. Clemson wasn’t behind the rest of the ACC talent wise when Dabo took over. My point is when Dabo got the right staff in place and the right talent, he was able to compete at the highest levels. Not saying we will ever do that, but you don’t fire CSB after what many consider to be a home run off season in every way possible.
 
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Nobody is trying to diminish Dabo’s record lol… I didn’t realize he had already coached 7 years in 2014. I thought he was in year 5 or 6. I’m simply stating that it’s not like he came out the gate kicking *** in the SEC. He had some good seasons sure, but the competition was extremely weak at the time. What CSB has had to face is a much stiffer battle. Clemson wasn’t behind the rest of the ACC talent wise when Dabo took over. My point is when Dabo got the right staff in place and the right talent, he was able to compete at the highest levels. Not saying we will ever do that, but you don’t fire CSB after what many consider to be a home run off season in every way possible.
Beamer isn't going to be fired unless he goes 4-8 again. Any improvement over that will be shown as "proof of improvement".

I do think getting excited in any way about a "home run off season" is sort of sad. All Beamer did was replace some asst. coaches. No one knows how the new guys are going to do. A year from now, the fans could easily be complaining about the OC, OL coach, RB coach and who knows who else. Of course, gamecock football fans are well known for all of their August championships.
 

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Beamer isn't going to be fired unless he goes 4-8 again. Any improvement over that will be shown as "proof of improvement".

I do think getting excited in any way about a "home run off season" is sort of sad. All Beamer did was replace some asst. coaches. No one knows how the new guys are going to do. A year from now, the fans could easily be complaining about the OC, OL coach, RB coach and who knows who else. Of course, gamecock football fans are well known for all of their August championships.

This. I think Beamers job will be secured or lost with on the field results this year.

Winning the offseason is like winning a press conference. Ultimately meaningless.
 

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I say Paris and Maneiri should be fired NOW!! i would give Beamer one more year.. At least he showed he was able to get and even in most cases keep talent, SO i give him another year.. For what this baseball program once was, It is hideous what it has become. Basketball had one good final four run, As badly as they are getting beat this year, Paris has to go!! This is Darrin Horn type efforts..
 

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BB - will retire graciously. MBB - big payout, but only if we can acquire better coach with better staff, something we haven't done since Frank McGuire (it's really bad when you have to back to 1970's). I don't understand why anyone would want to fire Beamer. Could be the next Nick Sabin - I just got my garnet colored glasses polished.
You know what is ironic is that Jeff Hunt was almost singularly responsible for bringing McGuire to SC. But that was a different era.
 

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I'd say fire LP. It is a higher profile sport and profitable. Bring in someone like Bryan Hodgson from So. Florida. A kinder and gentler Frank Martin type.
 

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Beamer isn't going to be fired unless he goes 4-8 again. Any improvement over that will be shown as "proof of improvement".

I do think getting excited in any way about a "home run off season" is sort of sad. All Beamer did was replace some asst. coaches. No one knows how the new guys are going to do. A year from now, the fans could easily be complaining about the OC, OL coach, RB coach and who knows who else. Of course, gamecock football fans are well known for all of their August championships.
A "home run off-season" is also sort of an oxymoron. 😄