Coaching Staff Next Year

[GLC1969]

He sure wouldn’t fit the Iowa style.

 

[LIV4GOD]

He sure wouldn’t fit the Iowa style.

Neither do most of the recent Iowa teams.

 

[Sdwrestler_20]

They think just because they have a "big name" they can recruit, coach, develop, and raise funds lmao

It's not just that JB is a "big name" its that the guy is a psycho competitor and would be a great coach. Yes, JB was a great athlete but the thing that made him an all timer was his work ethic and will to win. That 100% translates to coaching.

 

[PUR158]

Come on Corby.

It would literally take a Iowa to pull him away from NJ. Does he want to leave? is that his plan? no and no. But IF a blue blood called, paid him enough and gave him money for an RTC, he's taking it.

It worked on David Taylor. Who thought 2 years ago he would leave what he had built in Central PA. If you want to truly compete in the next 5 years, you swallow your corn and pay him whatever it takes.

 

[Gusaford1]

If we bring Yianni in I'd be over the moon excited.

I dunno. I guess he's a good singer and all but seems a little soft for the wrestling room.

 

[PUR158]

HS kids today are looking up to Jax and Spencer and guys like that. When was Burroughs last world medal? Just not sure his name holds the weight you think it does with the HS kids.

2022 right? At that time next year's recruits were 11, 12, 13 years old, not influential years at all in a young adults life.

 

[Hawx224]

No one disputes that the new coach would need coaching chops, not just be a big name. But the big name absolutely helps with recruiting

 

[Corby2]

2022 right? At that time next year's recruits were 11, 12, 13 years old, not influential years at all in a young adults life.

Kids attention spans aren't long at all today. They're on to the next guy who's still winning. Not saying kids don't like him but I don't think he currently has that wow factor. DT came back to compete again after he took the job so it would help recruiting and put him back in the competition spotlight

 

[Hawx224]

Kids attention spans aren't long at all today. They're on to the next guy who's still winning. Not saying kids don't like him but I don't think he currently has that wow factor. DT cameback to compete again after he took the job so it would help recruiting and put him back in the competition spotlight

Who do you think has the best combo of wow factor and coaching ability and would be a realistic candidate?

 

[Corby2]

Who do you think has the best combo of wow factor and coaching ability and would be a realistic candidate?

My opinion is that's a few years away and so much can change between now and then so naming that guy now for a position years down the road is tough.

 

[Hawx224]

My opinion is that's a few years away and so much can change between now and then so naming that guy now for a position years down the road is tough.

Ah but then you miss out on all the message board fun and angst over things that won’t happen…

 

[T8KUDWN]

Kids attention spans aren't long at all today. They're on to the next guy who's still winning. Not saying kids don't like him but I don't think he currently has that wow factor. DT came back to compete again after he took the job so it would help recruiting and put him back in the competition spotlight

I coach a high school wrestling team & JB is very relevant and would have a lot of name appeal if he decided to be a D1 coach.

 

[grasshawk40]

My opinion is that's a few years away and so much can change between now and then so naming that guy now for a position years down the road is tough.

its a message board. Why are you here???

 

[TheREALSpooner]

Kids attention spans aren't long at all today. They're on to the next guy who's still winning. Not saying kids don't like him but I don't think he currently has that wow factor. DT came back to compete again after he took the job so it would help recruiting and put him back in the competition spotlight

Absolutely laughable. Burroughs is iconic and relevant. He's the most decorated US wrestler of all time and earned his last gold just a few years ago. He continues to be visible in the sport. There isn't a single high level D1 recruit who doesn't know exactly who he is. And you believe they're thinking "6 worlds and Olympic gold? Meh...not impressed"? That's hilarious.

You like/prefer a coach with more experience. Just say it. It is a completely respectable position. No need to continually lie to yourself and then try to get other people to believe you. It has gotten beyond weird.

 

[PUR158]

My opinion is that's a few years away and so much can change between now and then so naming that guy now for a position years down the road is tough.

If it's a few years away then the kids will have forgotten whoever it is by then.

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

I don’t think anyone could do it. Literally just JB with a huge maybe on Kyle Dake so that’s is a complete misrepresentation.

I don’t have anything left to say to you on the matter because we look at things a lot differently. I’ll be here in a year or two so we can revisit this.

You gotta ignore Corby and MSU occasionally or more often than not. From time to time regardless of what’s been said they will paint a picture that better serves their message vice responding to what the original poster said. Perception management 101 but I’m sure they’re good guys.

 

[maxpain]

You gotta ignore Corby and MSU occasionally or more often than not. From time to time regardless of what’s been said they will paint a picture that better serves their message vice responding to what the original poster said. Perception management 101 but I’m sure they’re good guys.

Yep. I don’t take anything on here too seriously. It’s all speculation until something actually happens.

 

[el dub]

Absolutely laughable. Burroughs is iconic and relevant. He's the most decorated US wrestler of all time and earned his last gold just a few years ago. He continues to be visible in the sport. There isn't a single high level D1 recruit who doesn't know exactly who he is. And you believe they're thinking "6 worlds and Olympic gold? Meh...not impressed"? That's hilarious.

You like/prefer a coach with more experience. Just say it. It is a completely respectable position. No need to continually lie to yourself and then try to get other people to believe you. It has gotten beyond weird.

It’s like he has some kind of (hidden?) motivation to maintain the current status quo.

 

[PSU Mike]

Holy Crap dude if you did not catch that sarcasm then I can't help you.

First time Im saying this and there is no sarcasm in this statement at all!
If the Entire Iowa staff is out after next season my first and only call is Tony Robie! He made 210k last year and his contract goes till 2028, He would have an off the record offer of 500k right now to take over after next season. This offer would also include top salaries for his pick of assistant coaches, with a strong suggestion that the university would like Mike Kemerer as part of his staff.

He’s only doing well because of James Franklin.




And if you can’t see the sarcasm …

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

Did she tell you that? Let me guess because Ferentz son went is why you think this

Corby, you’re the one who has open comms with the management; you tell us what Beth said. And I think it’s more than Ferentz’ son. It’s like you imply that Beth is going to stick her head in the sand as we continue to suck worse while we wait for the amazing recruits every year that never come to fruition.

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

Tony Robie, Mike Grey are getting recruits. Rob Kohl could get recruits.

I’d be good with Robie as long as he brings his recruits.

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

Not enough name recognition for these people it's actually hilarious. They want the name . Those 3 have results not a chance need a name with zero results what are you stupid .

I do believe you’re full of it once again Corby. I think VA Tech’s coach has even more name recognition than your Columbia coach. You try to drive people to your desired outcome…what a dick thing to do. It’s like you want Iowa to fail…

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

Yes it is a message board and people keep commenting about what I have to say so obviously I'm gonna respond it is a message board and all remember. When people tell me what I should or shouldn't think I tend to did the same that's how it works. Also you ever heard of devils advocate . And correct I'm not actually an Iowa fan I'm a fan of wrestling and individuals. I'm not a fan of any one team

Good! If you’re not an Iowa fan then go pester the PSU guys for a couple years and tell them how stupid they were for hiring an untested Cael as their coach. You suck!

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

It’s like he has some kind of (hidden?) motivation to maintain the current status quo.

Bingo my friend. In essence he’s an Iowa hating d*ckhead.

 

[Corby2]

its a message board. Why are you here???

To talk wrestling what about you

 

[Corby2]

Absolutely laughable. Burroughs is iconic and relevant. He's the most decorated US wrestler of all time and earned his last gold just a few years ago. He continues to be visible in the sport. There isn't a single high level D1 recruit who doesn't know exactly who he is. And you believe they're thinking "6 worlds and Olympic gold? Meh...not impressed"? That's hilarious.

You like/prefer a coach with more experience. Just say it. It is a completely respectable position. No need to continually lie to yourself and then try to get other people to believe you. It has gotten beyond weird.

It's beyond weird that we don't agree? Sounds like a you problem. Remember when we would say we can agree to disagree the good ole days. Now I'm lying to myself you say yet I'm being weird

 

[Corby2]

It’s like he has some kind of (hidden?) motivation to maintain the current status quo.

Yep because they pay me and I mentor Morningstar according to the s and conspiracy lovers. Then others say I don't know anything or anyone and make stuff up.
Hard to follow the cesspool

 

[Corby2]

I do believe you’re full of it once again Corby. I think VA Tech’s coach has even more name recognition than your Columbia coach. You try to drive people to your desired outcome…what a dick thing to do. It’s like you want Iowa to fail…

I try to drive people to my outcome have you read this thread it's a bunch of people pushing Burroughs and won't stop until everyone agrees you know outcome and all

 

[Corby2]

Bingo my friend. In essence he’s an Iowa hating d*ckhead.

Now I hate Iowa I thought I was wanting Tom to stay because I benefit from it. Now I'm so confused

 

[maxpain]

Yep because they pay me and I mentor Morningstar according to the s and conspiracy lovers. Then others say I don't know anything or anyone and make stuff up.
Hard to follow the cesspool

Jfc I was a joking about you being his mentor..

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

Kids attention spans aren't long at all today. They're on to the next guy who's still winning. Not saying kids don't like him but I don't think he currently has that wow factor. DT came back to compete again after he took the job so it would help recruiting and put him back in the competition spotlight

JB doesn’t have the “wow factor”? This might be the worst wrestling take I’ve seen on the new board, and we’ve got people suggesting Metcalf as HC.

 

[Stick Kitty]

Got to love the board experts telling everyone how novice they are to the NCAA coaching scene because many are just throwing out brainstorming names all while sitting in an ivory tower never naming a name.

Regardless what they say there are only 2 paths forward....

1. Hire an established current head coach or top assistant - big name or not.
2. Hire a big name- may be young and lack coaching but huge upside and recruit up a storm. However with this hire you need the top assistant to be #1. Good thing is Terry makes a lot so a head coach elsewhere may only be stepping down in title but making the same or more.

An example what #2 could look like. Hire Yianni and Koll comes with because he is ready to ride off in the sunset in 4 years. Brings Ramos for the lightweight coach- Then both bring transfers from UNC & Cornell- Shapiro etc. Dake and Vito join HWC.

Obviously that's a perfect storm far fetched example. Then again....Corby please call Koll and see if that works for him? If he is in- I will text Beth operation April Fools is back on.

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

for like 6 years you guys have been throwing out names that don't make sense to me and i couldn't understand it.

i thought it was as simple as thinking "Awesome Wrestler = Awesome Coach"

but it really goes back to your fallacy that Cael isn't a difference-making coach in the room.

there's been 100 threads on this board with a thesis that contended PSU's success was merely recruiting.

then David went to OKST and raised their profile (with great recruits) in year 1 & 2, which was good evidence to support your position.

but that doesn't make it true.

Cael recruits well AND elevates his guys thru development and a number of other things.

David seems to be doing it as well but it's early.

Some of the names you've been throwing out over the years....i just don't have confidence they could do the same. There are guys out there that can. Some of them are the 'big names'. Some aren't.

Who tf is Cael?

 

[Corby2]

JB doesn’t have the “wow factor”? This might be the worst wrestling take I’ve seen on the new board, and we’ve got people suggesting Metcalf as HC.

If he ever becomes a coach I guess we will see. This has been beat to death enough I'm done talking about it .

 

[grasshawk40]

for like 6 years you guys have been throwing out names that don't make sense to me and i couldn't understand it.

i thought it was as simple as thinking "Awesome Wrestler = Awesome Coach"

but it really goes back to your fallacy that Cael isn't a difference-making coach in the room.

there's been 100 threads on this board with a thesis that contended PSU's success was merely recruiting.

then David went to OKST and raised their profile (with great recruits) in year 1 & 2, which was good evidence to support your position.

but that doesn't make it true.

Cael recruits well AND elevates his guys thru development and a number of other things.

David seems to be doing it as well but it's early.

Some of the names you've been throwing out over the years....i just don't have confidence they could do the same. There are guys out there that can. Some of them are the 'big names'. Some aren't.

First its Carl... Second, its a message board. names will always be thrown around. Give us the names you would go after or sit this one out.

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

Now I hate Iowa I thought I was wanting Tom to stay because I benefit from it. Now I'm so confused

Yes you like Tom because the game has seemingly passed him by and you hate Iowa which is why Tom staying or Iowa hiring a less than stud coach is always your desired COA. Please go bother PSU or Okie…they need some Corby and MSU love as much as we do.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

It's beyond weird that we don't agree? Sounds like a you problem. Remember when we would say we can agree to disagree the good ole days. Now I'm lying to myself you say yet I'm being weird

Your points are beyond weird, yes. Instead of lying to yourself, maybe you're just being obtuse. If I didn't know you better, I'd think being a moron would be a strong possibility.

 

[Nashville_Hawk]

I try to drive people to my outcome have you read this thread it's a bunch of people pushing Burroughs and won't stop until everyone agrees you know outcome and all

People pushing JB and Nolf for the most part…while you’re pushing your 3rd grade science teacher while telling everyone else they don’t know sh*t because TNT seek guidance from you from time to time. LOL

 

[kingstown]

Now I hate Iowa I thought I was wanting Tom to stay because I benefit from it. Now I'm so confused

Wanting Tom to stay and hating Iowa really are not mutually exclusive. Both equal Iowa just being ok which is a win/win for all Iowa haters. It is the safest path and I absolutely understand the logic of not hiring an unknown so as to avoid a substantial decline in the program rather quickly, but I think many true Iowa loyalists are willing to take the risk. I brought up Pritzlaff earlier but you said he would never take the job. He is doing the most with the least imo. You told us (good info) that he didn't even have to move to take the job when he left Rutgers. I think he would be a great hire!

 

[Gusaford1]

for like 6 years you guys have been throwing out names that don't make sense to me and i couldn't understand it.

i thought it was as simple as thinking "Awesome Wrestler = Awesome Coach"

but it really goes back to your fallacy that Cael isn't a difference-making coach in the room.

there's been 100 threads on this board with a thesis that contended PSU's success was merely recruiting.

then David went to OKST and raised their profile (with great recruits) in year 1 & 2, which was good evidence to support your position.

but that doesn't make it true.

Cael recruits well AND elevates his guys thru development and a number of other things.

David seems to be doing it as well but it's early.

Some of the names you've been throwing out over the years....i just don't have confidence they could do the same. There are guys out there that can. Some of them are the 'big names'. Some aren't.

Love many of your contributions, Willie, but this one was a turd.

"You guys," "your fallacy". Who are the "you guys"? For a bunch of years now, there's been a steady drumbeat on this board of, not just that Cael recruits better, but that he develops better. Just one data point among hundreds: all the interest on this board in seeing whether Iowa might be able to poach Casey Cunningham so we can spread some of the PSU secret sauce on our team. No one here was interested in Casey because we thought he was an ace recruiter.

The rest of your comment -- some of the names "you guys" throw out don't make any sense -- but I won't say who and I can't tell you why. Ok. Fine. You have relationships in the wrestling community and you don't want to burn them or insult anyone. I get it. But then you might spare us the shtick that you know better than the rest of us rubes but you can't bother to explain why we're wrong. That part of your comment should have been left on the cutting room floor.