Coaching Staff Next Year

[TherealGrip220]

He landed Jayden James (flipped to PSU), landed Bo and Melvin, Seidel, Burton, Gaj, probably was Angelo's #2 choice. I have a feeling you are being sarcastic but regardless.......

Holy Crap dude if you did not catch that sarcasm then I can't help you.

First time Im saying this and there is no sarcasm in this statement at all!
If the Entire Iowa staff is out after next season my first and only call is Tony Robie! He made 210k last year and his contract goes till 2028, He would have a off the record offer of 500k right now to take over after next season. This offer would also include top salaries for his pick of assistant coaches, with a strong suggestion that the university would like Mike Kemerer as part of his staff.

 

[UNIHawk]

Holy Crap dude if you did not catch that sarcasm then I can't help you.

First time Im saying this and there is no sarcasm in this statement at all!
If the Entire Iowa staff is out after next season my first and only call is Tony Robie! He made 210k last year and his contract goes till 2028, He would have a off the record offer of 500k right now to take over after next season. This offer would also include top salaries for his pick of assistant coaches, with a strong suggestion that the university would like Mike Kemerer as part of his staff.

I agree, if the job is open that's my first call also.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

Yes it is a message board and people keep commenting about what I have to say so obviously I'm gonna respond it is a message board and all remember. When people tell me what I should or shouldn't think I tend to did the same that's how it works. Also you ever heard of devils advocate . And correct I'm not actually an Iowa fan I'm a fan of wrestling and individuals. I'm not a fan of any one team

We agree more than we don’t. You’re just choosing some very weird and small hills to die on.

 

[CP84]

Yep I'm clueless . Will let you guys go back to naming people with little experience I mean DT is doing it anyone can

They think just because they have a "big name" they can recruit, coach, develop, and raise funds lmao

 

[GLC1969]

Again what makes anyone think Lee can coach? If JB can’t neither can Spencer. To say high schools kids still look up to lee might be a stretch. Last college match anyone saw of his he was pinned. Then he took his ball and went home. Excuses? Iowa is not going to do anything TNT will stay until they want to leave. PSU,tOSU and OST Are loving it. Who’s going to tell them the emperor has no clothes?

 

[psuslu]

This gets used WAY too often and it simply is NOT true. Compared to PSU, they are way behind, but that is only because PSU recruits so much better than any team should realistically expect.

Iowa currently has Ferrari and Kueter, who were both top 1-2 lb4lb in their respective classes. Ayala, Kennedy and Arnold were all Top 5 lb4lb in their classes. So that is FIVE top 5's, so far. Ryder Block was #22 lb4lb in '23. DeLuca was #9, Ludington top 15 and Mocco currently sits 13th.

After that, they added Caliendo for 3 years and he has scored 33 NCAA points so far, with 1 year left. They also brought in Bailey with 3 years left to wrestle 2 seasons, having already AA'd. Peterson has proven to be a very solid stop gap to let DeLuca redshirt.

After all that they currently have the #3, 5, 14, 24 and 34 in the class of '27, with a lot of moving around left to be done. As of now, the class of 2028 nets them the #3 and #5.

On top of that they had Bassett, but decided the juice wasn't worth the squeeze.

Now, they don't seem to land the SUPER ELITE, other than Spencer, when there seems to be 1 or 2 per year over the past 10 years or so, like PSU seems to and OkState looks to have done this year with Forrest. But, it simply is NOT true that they don't recruit VERY well.

If anything, their biggest knock is that they simply DO NOT get all their guys to March healthy and most of them are very beat up by their senior years. This especially sucks as PSU's top guys almost always have their best seasons as seniors...

Recruiting has two components yes getting top lb4lb guys is so important but also that these guys have the ability to develop into champions or at least finalists. Long story short they have not done that to date. Sad thing is wrestling needs Iowa to be the Iowa of old winning titles and developing national champions. Wrestling needs Iowa to be at or above the level of PSU or OSU to bring a sense competition back to college wrestling. Iowa has so much going for it in terms of history and fan support and the Brands have done a great job of following in the footsteps of Gable. However, that no longer seems to be the case as recruiting has not been good and development has suffered because of it. The transfers should not be in this discussion as like every other team they are bought not recruited.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

Again what makes anyone think Lee can coach? If JB can’t neither can Spencer. To say high schools kids still look up to lee might be a stretch. Last college match anyone saw of his he was pinned. Then he took his ball and went home. Excuses? Iowa is not going to do anything TNT will stay until they want to leave. PSU,tOSU and OST Are loving it. Who’s going to tell them the emperor has no clothes?

Yeah I’m sure no one knows anything else about Lee or what he did before or since. It’s that one match and everything else has been removed or expunged from memories and the internet.

Also, Goetz is a grown adult AD. She might hold different opinions than many (including me) about current leadership of the wrestling program, but she’s not one to let a coach dictate who leads a program.

 

[Gusaford1]

HS kids today are looking up to Jax and Spencer and guys like that. When was Burroughs last world medal? Just not sure his name holds the weight you think it does with the HS kids.

Seems like an odd take. Totally fair to debate whether Burroughs would be a good coach. I see some pros and cons. But to suggest high school kids don't look up to Burroughs because his string of ten olympic and world medals ended four years ago in 2022? If that's the case, they sure don't give a rip about TnT's success on the world stage in the 1990s.

 

[bnicolls]

You're wrong about rev share . The # will be way more then what you said . Triple that at least . Donors will help but with NIL Go now NIL has to be legit business not just donor $. And the average NIL Go deal now is under 10K

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of an Athletic Departments ability to fund the court mandated agreement of Rev Share without borrowing or donors. Immediately after the settlement, their expenditures rose by 20 some million (Rev Share to athletes). How did their revenue rise to compensate?

Why would the Big Ten contemplate selling 10% of their media rights at a very high discount rate for 1.8 billion? Why would any entity do that for a very cheap price?

You too are badly wrong about Rev Share from Iowa.

There are 5 buckets now for Schools and donors to pay athletes. One is illegal. Two go thru the CSC board.

Follow the money grasshopper

 

[Anon1750896976]

They think just because they have a "big name" they can recruit, coach, develop, and raise funds lmao

Trust me if brands can JD dake or nolf can

 

[Corby2]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of an Athletic Departments ability to fund the court mandated agreement of Rev Share without borrowing or donors. Immediately after the settlement, their expenditures rose by 20 some million (Rev Share to athletes). How did their revenue rise to compensate?

Why would the Big Ten contemplate selling 10% of their media rights at a very high discount rate for 1.8 billion? Why would any entity do that for a very cheap price?

You too are badly wrong about Rev Share from Iowa.

There are 5 buckets now for Schools and donors to pay athletes. One is illegal. Two go thru the CSC board.

Follow the money grasshopper

What am I badly wrong about ? The # wrestling will receive?
I know donations can be made to the athletic department and they can then give the $ back as rev share Iowa st did that. Every AD wants to say we raised all the rev share $.
What other ways are they paying for rev share besides donations and borrowing?

 

[Anon1750896976]

Trust me if brands can JD dake or nolf can

Meant JB before the grammar teachers on here correct it

 

[SJP80]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of an Athletic Departments ability to fund the court mandated agreement of Rev Share without borrowing or donors. Immediately after the settlement, their expenditures rose by 20 some million (Rev Share to athletes). How did their revenue rise to compensate?

Why would the Big Ten contemplate selling 10% of their media rights at a very high discount rate for 1.8 billion? Why would any entity do that for a very cheap price?

You too are badly wrong about Rev Share from Iowa.

There are 5 buckets now for Schools and donors to pay athletes. One is illegal. Two go thru the CSC board.

Follow the money grasshopper

Sorry Bob, you are wrong. I know that because Corby is never wrong, especially badly wrong. You may have more access and truly understand, but you not the Devil’s Advocate Corby. Sorry.

 

[whejoe]

Trust me if brands can JD dake or nolf can

JD? Jordan Devlin?

 

[JoeBagobagels]

Recruiting has two components yes getting top lb4lb guys is so important but also that these guys have the ability to develop into champions or at least finalists. Long story short they have not done that to date. Sad thing is wrestling needs Iowa to be the Iowa of old winning titles and developing national champions. Wrestling needs Iowa to be at or above the level of PSU or OSU to bring a sense competition back to college wrestling. Iowa has so much going for it in terms of history and fan support and the Brands have done a great job of following in the footsteps of Gable. However, that no longer seems to be the case as recruiting has not been good and development has suffered because of it. The transfers should not be in this discussion as like every other team they are bought not recruited.

Wrestling doesn't need anyone necessarily.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

They think just because they have a "big name" they can recruit, coach, develop, and raise funds lmao

It is just very difficult to ignore that the greatest coaches of the modern era were also multiple time NCAA champs and World/Olympic gold medalists: Gable, Sanderson, Smith, and Brands. It is also difficult to ignore JB's personality, reputation, attitude, etc. It certainly seems like if anyone can do it, he would be the guy.

However, even acknowledging that wrestling is different from sports like football and hoops when it comes to coaching, it would certainly be a leap of faith/swing for the fences. Given the landscape of college wrestling today, and current perceptions of the Iowa program, a disruptive force like JB rightfully has an appeal to me.

Personally, I'd be very up for it. Though it does seem unlikely. There are also other good coaches mentioned in this thread that I'd be happy with.

 

[Corby2]

Sorry Bob, you are wrong. I know that because Corby is never wrong, especially badly wrong. You may have more access and truly understand, but you not the Devil’s Advocate Corby. Sorry.

He's obviously involved in the $ side of things and knows way more about the rev share situation hence why I asked him some questions. Been wrong plenty have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. When someone knows more about something you close your mouth and open your ears wish more here understood that

 

[TheREALSpooner]

He's obviously involved in the $ side of things and knows way more about the rev share situation hence why I asked him some questions. Been wrong plenty have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. When someone knows more about something you close your mouth and open your ears wish more here understood that

Says the guy who claims to know more about Jordan Burroughs than Jordan Burroughs...

 

[HugoHugo]

He has $. He has kids he wants to raise. D1 head job is 5am until bed 365 days year.

 

[Corby2]

Says the guy who claims to know more about Jordan Burroughs than Jordan Burroughs...

I'm not putting words in his mouth and saying he definitely wants to be a D1 head coach

 

[Corby2]

He's won 12 of the last 15 he's allowed to do that. It's a figure of speech but A for effort @HugoHugo

 

[LIV4GOD]

I'm not putting words in his mouth and saying he definitely wants to be a D1 head coach

Would you please stop with the inane emoji?

 

[TheREALSpooner]

I'm not putting words in his mouth and saying he definitely wants to be a D1 head coach

 

[Slim45]

It is just very difficult to ignore that the greatest coaches of the modern era were also multiple time NCAA champs and World/Olympic gold medalists: Gable, Sanderson, Smith, and Brands. It is also difficult to ignore JB's personality, reputation, attitude, etc. It certainly seems like if anyone can do it, he would be the guy.

However, even acknowledging that wrestling is different from sports like football and hoops when it comes to coaching, it would certainly be a leap of faith/swing for the fences. Given the landscape of college wrestling today, and current perceptions of the Iowa program, a disruptive force like JB rightfully has an appeal to me.

Personally, I'd be very up for it. Though it does seem unlikely. There are also other good coaches mentioned in this thread that I'd be happy with.

I think when it comes to Burroughs, you get him in the room and make him turn the job down if he’s the guy you want. He says if he takes a college position he wants the resources, well get him in the room and lay out those resources. We’re Iowa, that in itself should be very enticing

 

[TheREALSpooner]

I think when it comes to Burroughs, you get him in the room and make him turn the job down if he’s the guy you want. He says if he takes a college position he wants the resources, well get him in the room and lay out those resources. We’re Iowa, that in itself should be very enticing

Why get him in the room? You can just DM Corby through Hawkeye Report. Much easier. I'll let Beth know.

 

[WillieTheBrain]

for like 6 years you guys have been throwing out names that don't make sense to me and i couldn't understand it.

i thought it was as simple as thinking "Awesome Wrestler = Awesome Coach"

but it really goes back to your fallacy that Cael isn't a difference-making coach in the room.

there's been 100 threads on this board with a thesis that contended PSU's success was merely recruiting.

then David went to OKST and raised their profile (with great recruits) in year 1 & 2, which was good evidence to support your position.

but that doesn't make it true.

Cael recruits well AND elevates his guys thru development and a number of other things.

David seems to be doing it as well but it's early.

Some of the names you've been throwing out over the years....i just don't have confidence they could do the same. There are guys out there that can. Some of them are the 'big names'. Some aren't.

 

[Corby2]

Why get him in the room? You can just DM Corby through Hawkeye Report. Much easier.

I'm a nobody don't waste your time thinking about me. I just happen to know wrestling no need to be jealous

 

[TheREALSpooner]

I'm a nobody don't waste your time thinking about me. I just happen to know wrestling no need to be jealous

You do know wrestling. No argument. Sometimes you just get ideas in your head and refuse to let them go. (So do I)

 

[Corby2]

for like 6 years you guys have been throwing out names that don't make sense to me and i couldn't understand it.

i thought it was as simple as thinking "Awesome Wrestler = Awesome Coach"

but it really goes back to your fallacy that Cael isn't a difference-making coach in the room.

there's been 100 threads on this board with a thesis that contended PSU's success was merely recruiting.

then David went to OKST and raised their profile (with great recruits) in year 1 & 2, which was good evidence to support your position.

but that doesn't make it true.

Cael recruits well AND elevates his guys thru development and a number of other things.

David seems to be doing it as well but it's early.

Some of the names you've been throwing out over the years....i just don't have confidence they could do the same. There are guys out there that can. Some of them are the 'big names'. Some aren't.

It's called the cesspool for a reason. Don't bring logic around here

 

[grasshawk40]

for like 6 years you guys have been throwing out names that don't make sense to me and i couldn't understand it.

i thought it was as simple as thinking "Awesome Wrestler = Awesome Coach"

but it really goes back to your fallacy that Cael isn't a difference-making coach in the room.

there's been 100 threads on this board with a thesis that contended PSU's success was merely recruiting.

then David went to OKST and raised their profile (with great recruits) in year 1 & 2, which was good evidence to support your position.

but that doesn't make it true.

Cael recruits well AND elevates his guys thru development and a number of other things.

David seems to be doing it as well but it's early.

Some of the names you've been throwing out over the years....i just don't have confidence they could do the same. There are guys out there that can. Some of them are the 'big names'. Some aren't.

like steroids.

 

[blcoach80]

for like 6 years you guys have been throwing out names that don't make sense to me and i couldn't understand it.

i thought it was as simple as thinking "Awesome Wrestler = Awesome Coach"

but it really goes back to your fallacy that Cael isn't a difference-making coach in the room.

there's been 100 threads on this board with a thesis that contended PSU's success was merely recruiting.

then David went to OKST and raised their profile (with great recruits) in year 1 & 2, which was good evidence to support your position.

but that doesn't make it true.

Cael recruits well AND elevates his guys thru development and a number of other things.

David seems to be doing it as well but it's early.

Some of the names you've been throwing out over the years....i just don't have confidence they could do the same. There are guys out there that can. Some of them are the 'big names'. Some aren't.

Who are the big names in your opinion?

 

[GLC1969]

Man I wish I was half as smart as you guys. Solving all the needs of Iowa wrestling on a simple board. Throwing names out as to who can coach and who can’t It’s fun to see animals eat their own. J Robinson was an assistant at Iowa and Minnesota got very lucky. Rob Koll had 2-4timers to build around. Luck and good people around you make good coaches. Recruits help a lot. Right now Iowa needs all of these things. Take a chance see what happens. Status Qu is not Working.

 

[Mattski]

for like 6 years you guys have been throwing out names that don't make sense to me and i couldn't understand it.

i thought it was as simple as thinking "Awesome Wrestler = Awesome Coach"

but it really goes back to your fallacy that Cael isn't a difference-making coach in the room.

there's been 100 threads on this board with a thesis that contended PSU's success was merely recruiting.

then David went to OKST and raised their profile (with great recruits) in year 1 & 2, which was good evidence to support your position.

but that doesn't make it true.

Cael recruits well AND elevates his guys thru development and a number of other things.

David seems to be doing it as well but it's early.

Some of the names you've been throwing out over the years....i just don't have confidence they could do the same. There are guys out there that can. Some of them are the 'big names'. Some aren't.

Well if your goal is to get back on top, you can't do the 2nd part (elevating your talent) if you aren't doing the first at the top level (recruiting) as well.
I don't care who the next hire is, if he can't recruit at a level equal to or very close to psu/okst it won't matter.

 

[Praguehawk]

He's obviously involved in the $ side of things and knows way more about the rev share situation hence why I asked him some questions. Been wrong plenty have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. When someone knows more about something you close your mouth and open your ears wish more here understood that

I think what you discount in your NIL Go comment is the ability to contribute to the university raising the amount that NIL Go can be avoided. Particularly for the smaller sports. That’s my guess. It’s a bit of a shell game, but a legal one.

 

[maxpain]

Man I wish I was half as smart as you guys. Solving all the needs of Iowa wrestling on a simple board. Throwing names out as to who can coach and who can’t It’s fun to see animals eat their own. J Robinson was an assistant at Iowa and Minnesota got very lucky. Rob Koll had 2-4timers to build around. Luck and good people around you make good coaches. Recruits help a lot. Right now Iowa needs all of these things. Take a chance see what happens. Status Qu is not Working.

Taking a chance is where I am at. Is it a risk to go for JB? Sure. Is there a scenario where we fall down in the team race with him as HC? With the resources we have that’s unlikely in my opinion.

We have finished 5th and 4th with another 5th-8th place finish coming this year. Let’s say worse case we fall to 7th-10th. It’s not much of a difference anyways since we aren’t getting a trophy either way. You can give it 5 years and if it doesn’t work try again.

Speaking of trophy, good thing Dresser talked the NCAA into not getting rid of the 4th place trophy or we would have 3 straight years without one.

 

[Corby2]

I think what you discount in your NIL Go comment is the ability to contribute to the university raising the amount that NIL Go can be avoided. Particularly for the smaller sports. That’s my guess. It’s a bit of a shell game, but a legal one.

Finding loopholes and ways to pay are obviously happening and I'm not aware of all those work arounds.

 

[Slim45]

for like 6 years you guys have been throwing out names that don't make sense to me and i couldn't understand it.

i thought it was as simple as thinking "Awesome Wrestler = Awesome Coach"

but it really goes back to your fallacy that Cael isn't a difference-making coach in the room.

there's been 100 threads on this board with a thesis that contended PSU's success was merely recruiting.

then David went to OKST and raised their profile (with great recruits) in year 1 & 2, which was good evidence to support your position.

but that doesn't make it true.

Cael recruits well AND elevates his guys thru development and a number of other things.

David seems to be doing it as well but it's early.

Some of the names you've been throwing out over the years....i just don't have confidence they could do the same. There are guys out there that can. Some of them are the 'big names'. Some aren't.

Obviously it starts with recruiting and then elevating those guys you get in the program. But step 1 is getting those guys in the program to start with, and can you really argue that having a head coach that’s a really big name (whether that’s JB or someone else) isn’t a huge advantage in attracting those kids? Then hire really good assistants that can do a lot of the development

 

[CP84]

Trust me if brands can JD dake or nolf can

I don't think the brands have been doing a great job at all those lately..

 

[maxpain]

We're going to like the new hire. Pretty much done deal. Checks the boxes we've all asked for.

I just listened to Willie and Basch’s podcast from today and at the end Willie brought it up this rumor. He said his sources confirm Telford leaving is accurate but disputed the hire, who he identified as Yianni, was a done deal.

 

[GableBeer]

If we bring Yianni in I'd be over the moon excited.