Coal mine celebrated by Trump opens in Pennsylvania...70 jobs @ $100k
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This is the power of the free market at work. As more coal mines come back on line since Trump has now made it economically viable to both mine and burn coal as a cheap, reliable energy source, this dynamic will multiply since cost is as important a factor in supplying energy as any other factor.
It's in fact THE most important factor, because if cost were no object alternative and ostensibly cheaper more plentiful sources of energy would already be available in the market. The fact that there are still no better or cheaper or more available energy sources than coal speaks well for its future.
Trump gets all the credit for whatever comeback coal is in store for, and I think it's going to be HUGE.
Good post.
Pretty funny that you're cheering elimination of 78 jobs as a Dumb Donald MAGA. How stupid and delusional can you get? Your $100,000 a year coal mining jobs are a farce. Do you know how many overtime hours those miners are going to have to work to make that sum? lol They're not hiring miners at $49 an hour you imbecile.
$100,000 a year jobs in coal mining is hardly a farce. 5 of the last 10 years I worked in the mines I made over 100,000 and there were hundreds of people at the same mine that did the same. True you've got to put in the time to do it, I worked six 12 hour shifts per week when I did it. The last five years I worked I stopped working OT and still made in the $70,000 range. That, coupled with 32 days vacation time, 10 paid holidays, 6 paid personal days, a decent pension, and a "Cadillac" health insurance plan.....
That coal mine isn't hiring 70 people at $100,000 a year. That's a farce. When I said "Your $100,000 a year coal mining jobs are a farce." I was referring to that idiotic claim...
"Coal mine celebrated by Trump opens in Pennsylvania...70 jobs @ $100k" .
The OP has made this claim multiple times in this forum. I did not say no coal miner can make $100,000 a year, as a matter of fact, I referenced that it is possible with overtime. You're trying too hard to rearrange and eliminate part of what I wrote to prove me wrong and the OP right. That's the type of dishonesty of the Dumb Donald's that I hate.
I did not rearrange anything from your post. I simply deleted the parts that weren't relative to the point I was making. I also acknowledged that it takes a lot of OT for a miner to make six figures but the possibility is there for those that want to put in the time. You call that dishonesty, I call it informing you on something you obviously know nothing about.
Another lie from the "American Fraud". Evidently you don't know jack sh*t about coal mining jobs.
Question for you. Your $100,000 a year coal mining salary... what was your occupation/job title and were you union?
The left hates coal and coal miners. That is why Hillary and Obama said what they said. They wanted to bankrupt coal companies and put coal miners out of work. I'm not sure why so many libs on this board that claim they support WV and WVU would be so gleeful at the supposed demise of coal? It's like they are rooting against the state and its people.
They claim they want to diversify business in WV which is great. But diversification comes much easier when the market forces changes in an industry (usually changes that occur over time) not when the government destroys the industry with regulations over a very short period of time. They claim nat gas destroyed coal, which is simply not true. Nat gas provides great competition to be sure but regulations shuttered nearly 100 coal fired plants, not nat gas.
Here you go Dumb Donald lover. Let me guess... BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS is "fake news".
Percent of total employment/ Median hourly wage / Mean hourly wage/ Annual mean wage/ Mean wage RSE
Mining Machine Operators
broad 18,460 5.7% 9.87% $25.03 $25.04 $52,090 1.5%
47-5041 Continuous Mining Machine Operators detail 11,270 8.3% 6.02% $25.18 $25.46 $52,950 1.7%
47-5042 Mine Cutting and Channeling Machine Operators detail 5,730 10.4% 3.06% $25.15 $24.47 $50,900 2.8%
47-5049 Mining Machine Operators, All Other detail 1,460 10.4% 0.78% $23.30 $24.10 $50,140 3.5%
47-5051 Rock Splitters, Quarry detail (8) (8) (8) $16.25 $16.67 $34,670 2.0%
47-5061 Roof Bolters, Mining detail (8) (8) (8) $27.30 $27.99 $58,220 1.2%
47-5071 Roustabouts, Oil and Gas detail 40 28.7% 0.02% $25.46 $22.43 $46,650 22.2%
47-5081 Helpers--Extraction Workers detail 3,020 8.4% 1.61% $20.28 $19.68 $40,930 2.0%
47-5099 Extraction Workers, All Other detail 960 13.3% 0.51% $26.67 $26.74 $55,630 3.8%
49-0000 Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations major 25,840 2.6% 13.81% $25.13 $26.19 $54,480 1.5%
49-1011 First-Line Supervisors of Mechanics, Installers, and Repairers detail 2,510 3.7% 1.34% $37.77 $37.51 $78,020 1.5%
49-2000 Electrical and Electronic Equipment Mechanics, Installers, and Repairers minor 230 18.0% 0.12% $28.02 $27.76 $57,750 2.2%
49-2090 Miscellaneous Electrical and Electronic Equipment Mechanics, Installers, and Repairers broad 220 18.7% 0.12% $27.79 $27.53 $57,270 2.3%
49-2092 Electric Motor, Power Tool, and Related Repairers detail 60 39.0% 0.03% $23.37 $22.51 $46,820 4.8%
49-2094 Electrical and Electronics Repairers, Commercial and Industrial Equipment detail 150 22.0% 0.08% $28.98 $29.66 $61,680 2.4%
49-3000 Vehicle and Mobile Equipment Mechanics, Installers, and Repairers minor 9,970 3.4% 5.33% $25.16 $25.91 $53,900 1.8%
49-3020 Automotive Technicians and Repairers broad 50 11.7% 0.03% $30.54 $28.89 $60,090 5.6%
49-3023 Automotive Service Technicians and Mechanics detail 50 11.7% 0.03% $30.54 $28.89 $60,090 5.6%
49-3031 Bus and Truck Mechanics and Diesel Engine Specialists detail 2,030 12.7% 1.08% $24.08 $24.29 $50,510 2.9%
49-3040 Heavy Vehicle and Mobile Equipment Service Technicians and Mechanics broad 7,820 4.5% 4.18% $25.40 $26.29 $54,670 2.0%
49-3042 Mobile Heavy Equipment Mechanics, Except Engines detail 7,760 4.5% 4.15% $25.32 $26.25 $54,590 2.0%
49-3043 Rail Car Repairers detail 60 24.8% 0.03% $32.26 $31.25 $65,010 7.0%
49-3090 Miscellaneous Vehicle and Mobile Equipment Mechanics, Installers, and Repairers broad 60 10.1% 0.03% $32.74 $29.99 $62,380 4.6%
49-3093 Tire Repairers and Changers detail 60 10.1% 0.03% $32.74 $29.99 $62,380 4.6%
49-9000 Other Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations minor 13,130 3.8% 7.02% $23.46 $24.21 $50,360 1.9%
49-9040 Industrial Machinery Installation, Repair, and Maintenance Workers broad 7,440 4.4% 3.97% $25.64 $26.39 $54,880 1.9%
49-9041 Industrial Machinery Mechanics detail 4,990 6.1% 2.67% $26.46 $27.05 $56,260 2.0%
49-9043 Maintenance Workers, Machinery detail 2,130 14.5% 1.14% $23.05 $24.38 $50,700 3.2%
49-9044 Millwrights detail 310 9.3% 0.17% $31.19 $29.50 $61,360 4.4%
49-9071 Maintenance and Repair Workers, General detail 4,440 9.9% 2.37% $20.65 $21.84 $45,430 3.1%
49-9090 Miscellaneous Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Workers broad 1,210 14.1% 0.64% $17.15 $19.23 $40,010 6.0%
49-9098 Helpers--Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Workers detail 1,010 16.7% 0.54% $16.04 $16.58 $34,490 5.0%
49-9099 Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Workers, All Other detail 190 5.8% 0.10% $33.98 $33.26 $69,190 2.4%
51-0000 Production Occupations major 19,720 4.4% 10.53% $21.63 $23.37 $48,610 1.3%
Well, I'm a Democrat......I live in West Virginia......and my father was a coal miner. Do I hate it? Nope. But for you all to claim that miners will make "$100,000/year" is ridiculous. In order for my dad to bring home $60,000/year he had to work 60 hrs/week. Mine bosses, electricians, etc. can make $100,000.......but not your normal, broken-back coal miner.
Hillary is knitting and Obama is golfing... probably less than Dumb Donald but never the less. Seems extremely mental for your kind to still be obsessing over them. You should talk to someone about that.
Certified diesel mechanic, certified mine foreman, certified electrician underground and surface - high, medium, and low voltage. Yes, I was union. Non union companies tend to pay more but don't offer the same benefits.
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Who did your dad work for and how long ago was it that he worked 60 hours a week and only made 60,000 ?
Charleston area......non-union worker. Underground miner, ran about every piece of equipment underground over his 20+ years of working.
Your dad sounds like a good man. Too bad he never found a job at a UMWA represented mine or a larger company where he would have been better rewarded for his efforts.
Notice you never got the answers you were looking for. I knew plenty of workers in the coal mining business that made in excess of 100,000 a year.
I was a bit of a slacker during my 6 figure years being as I never once worked a Sunday (which payed double), or a holiday (which payed triple). The last few years I worked I put in the least amount of time I could get by with and still made in the 70 thousand ballpark.
You basically called Old Buzzard a liar when he told your lying *** he made 100,000 plus for several years. He exposed you for what you are....A lying fraud.
I respect the job you did and I believe what you said. Its really sad that we have the likes of "American Fraud" on this board that are sooooo filled with hate and base everything on their politics.
Even if they only made 70k that is 55 more than American Fablepuss makes flipping burgers.
I didn't take his comments as him calling me a liar, I just viewed them as someone commenting on something they know nothing about. He can choose to believe me or not, I really don't care other than he should do a little fact checking before he calls $100,000 coal mining jobs a farce.
Also should be pointed out that whatever number is net or gross salary that there is a good value on top of that in benefits whether the job is union or non union.
Dave, I had to wonder about a boy who would list all those job titles? Did his dad work in the entire industry during 20 years. What kind of mine was he referring to. I had a couple continuous miner operations. Everybody was paid top wage and they worked different positons. Union trouble and happy crew are things that have to be addressed. I liked a man who came to work whistling. Tried to stay on top of disgruntled section. It is good to let a man make a few extra dollars to take home to momma.
Talking about a few mines opening here or closing there is a diversion from the larger picture. Here is a graph of the number of coal miners employed from 1890 onward. The maximum number employed in the coal industry in the last 20 years is less than at any time before 1970. And that's despite the fact that the US population is growing over time. (The US population at the right hand side of the graph is five times that at the left hand side of the graph.
The message is clear. The glory days of coal are over. And considering fracking and the developing of renewables, the glory days of coal are never coming back.
That's not to say some people can't be employed by the coal industry. They can and that's fine. But what about the masses that can't be employed by the coal industry and must be employed by something else? The constant focusing on coal is a diversion from what is happening with those other people.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/US_Coal_Mining_Employment_1890-2014.png
The message is clear. The glory days of coal are over. And considering fracking and the developing of renewables, the glory days of coal are never coming back.
That's not to say some people can't be employed by the coal industry. They can and that's fine. But what about the masses that can't be employed by the coal industry and must be employed by something else? The constant focusing on coal is a diversion from what is happening with those other people.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/US_Coal_Mining_Employment_1890-2014.png
Talking about a few mines opening here or closing there is a diversion from the larger picture. Here is a graph of the number of coal miners employed from 1890 onward. The maximum number employed in the coal industry in the last 20 years is less than at any time before 1970. And that's despite the fact that the US population is growing over time. (The US population at the right hand side of the graph is five times that at the left hand side of the graph.
The message is clear. The glory days of coal are over. And considering fracking and the developing of renewables, the glory days of coal are never coming back.
That's not to say some people can't be employed by the coal industry. They can and that's fine. But what about the masses that can't be employed by the coal industry and must be employed by something else? The constant focusing on coal is a diversion from what is happening with those other people.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/US_Coal_Mining_Employment_1890-2014.png
The message is clear. The glory days of coal are over. And considering fracking and the developing of renewables, the glory days of coal are never coming back.
That's not to say some people can't be employed by the coal industry. They can and that's fine. But what about the masses that can't be employed by the coal industry and must be employed by something else? The constant focusing on coal is a diversion from what is happening with those other people.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/US_Coal_Mining_Employment_1890-2014.png
Opie, I am not sure what you are referring to as "glory days" in coal mining. 100,000 employed at $15 a day probably would not be considered glory other than so damned happy to be working and feeding family. Probably in era of late 40s to early 50s.
Now you have 15,000 employed making $100,000 plus fringes. Realistically, I would have to say today would constitute "glory days". People work and have a pretty good life. Production is pretty good and can satisfy demand. Coal is still probably the cheapest form of energy per unit. Coal is instrumental in production of steel.
Now why don't you ***** people who know nothing about the industry walk away and keep mouth shut. I trust people will consume coal as needed and stop the **** of government declaing war on the industry. We can live with nearly all industry-save pig farming. Just go away and shut the *** up and allow the market to set supply and wages. Why can't we all get along?
Now you have 15,000 employed making $100,000 plus fringes. Realistically, I would have to say today would constitute "glory days". People work and have a pretty good life. Production is pretty good and can satisfy demand. Coal is still probably the cheapest form of energy per unit. Coal is instrumental in production of steel.
Now why don't you ***** people who know nothing about the industry walk away and keep mouth shut. I trust people will consume coal as needed and stop the **** of government declaing war on the industry. We can live with nearly all industry-save pig farming. Just go away and shut the *** up and allow the market to set supply and wages. Why can't we all get along?
Speaking for myself I'm talking gross pay but also had the benefits of 32 paid vacation days, 10 paid holidays, 6 paid personal days, "cadillac" health coverage for life, paid up life insurance, 401-k plan, and a decent pension plan. Ma
Since Trumps election a few new mines are opening up, formerly laid off coal miners are returning to work, those who had been working four days a week before the election are now working six days a week - all to the benefit of the economy of the regions surrounding the coal mine communities.
No one is saying that every town will have a coal mine like they did in the boom times. No one is saying that every one who needs a job will find it at the local coal mine like they once could.
A couple of things are certain. One being that Obama's EPA was running a well documented war on coal and Hillary promised to bankrupt the coal companies and put miners out of work had she been elected.
Trump won't bring coal back to the so-called "glory days", but he can stop the bleeding that has been going on in the past eight years. In fact, he's already taking steps to do just that. 70 well paying jobs in a rural Pennsylvania county may not seem like much, but to that local economy it's going to have a big impact and it never would have happened without Trump.
I think the "fraud" makes most of his money "servicing" people. He's the one that is always talking about his service.
Everybody made less money back then. That's mixing apples and oranges. Where I grew up and where lots of others on this board grew up coal provided the livelihood of a lot of people. While it still provides the livelihood for some, it's much less now and even more so on a percentage basis (which is how it makes sense to look at it...you know, "per capita" and all that).
and BEHIND THOSE 70 JOBS @ $100,000...
are 400 MORE JOBS SUPPORTING THOSE 70 MINERS...
WINNING!!!
are 400 MORE JOBS SUPPORTING THOSE 70 MINERS...
WINNING!!!
I know coal mining pays very well. Making even $75K in WV for a man without a college diploma is very, very good. What choice does that man have if that job goes away? Where is he going to work to make that kind of money.
Libs say he needs to move. But what about responsibilities to parents, siblings, children, love of WV, friends, WVU sports, etc. Not as easy as many libs make it out to be.
Far too many libs on this board seem almost gleeful at the prospect of these guys losing their jobs.
This link says that on average an average miner makes $50K at $23.50/hour although many other mining jobs make much more. The problem with this link is that I don't know if the respondents are above ground or below ground.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Industry=Coal_Mining/Salary
The average starting salary for a coal mine worker is $60,000. "You can come right out of high school and make $70,000 a year," said Missy Perdue, 22, a stay-at-home mother whose husband, Jeff Perdue, Jr., 22, is a miner.Apr 7, 2010