Cohen at Kentucky and ****ing vs. Cohen at MSU and ****ing

[AlSwearengen]

Can someone tell me how much ****ing Cohen did when he had that really good team at Kentucky? I'm speaking of the team that had a middle of the order that crushed the ball and I believe three of them were drafted in the first ten rounds with one of them in the first round. I imagine that team didn't do near the ****ing that we do right now.

If you look at our lineup, the only player that could be drafted in the first five rounds would be Hunter Renfroe, and he hasn't even sniffed a .350 batting avg. yet. Adam Frazier hits for a good avg. but he is a singles hitter for the most part. C.T. is a really good all around player, but to this point, he is a .300 hitter which is good considering the other things he brings to the game, but he is a table setter for the most part. Wes Rea wasn't even mentioned for the major league draft out of high school. Trey Porter walked on out of juco.

In a nutshell, the middle of our order is not bad, but they would be be bottom of the order for a typical good offensive sec club. And Porter, being a DH probably wouldn't play much. Hopefully, they continue to improve, but at this point, we still don't hit the ball with alot of authority, and because of that, Cohen will **** over and over and over again, playing for a run here and a run there. He will hope to get four or five runs for our pitchers and many times, that will be enough.

The good news is that lately, our position recruits are rated higher, with more draft potential than most of our lineup currently playing. So, I'll say it AGAIN, get used to the ****ing because it gives us our best chance to score runs with the lineup we have at this time.

 

[YardBarker]

He's playing and recruiting to our large ballpark. Kentucky had a crackerjack box for a ballpark so he recruited to play gorilla ball and did it well.

 

[Spidey.sixpack]

I remember watching us play on TV at UK a few years ago. That park was small. Measurements are 340-365-390-350-310. 310?! I bet those lefties had a field day.

 

[GTAdawg]

So when did saying the word ****ing

On SPS become as taboo as saying bomb on a plane. I just want to type out ****ing in real letters in caps like 500 times but I'll save someone the editing time.

 

[Will James]

Can someone tell me how much ****ing Cohen did when he had that really good team at Kentucky? I'm speaking of the team that had a middle of the order that crushed the ball and I believe three of them were drafted in the first ten rounds with one of them in the first round. I imagine that team didn't do near the ****ing that we do right now.

If you look at our lineup, the only player that could be drafted in the first five rounds would be Hunter Renfroe, and he hasn't even sniffed a .350 batting avg. yet. Adam Frazier hits for a good avg. but he is a singles hitter for the most part. C.T. is a really good all around player, but to this point, he is a .300 hitter which is good considering the other things he brings to the game, but he is a table setter for the most part. Wes Rea wasn't even mentioned for the major league draft out of high school. Trey Porter walked on out of juco.

In a nutshell, the middle of our order is not bad, but they would be be bottom of the order for a typical good offensive sec club. And Porter, being a DH probably wouldn't play much. Hopefully, they continue to improve, but at this point, we still don't hit the ball with alot of authority, and because of that, Cohen will **** over and over and over again, playing for a run here and a run there. He will hope to get four or five runs for our pitchers and many times, that will be enough.

The good news is that lately, our position recruits are rated higher, with more draft potential than most of our lineup currently playing. So, I'll say it AGAIN, get used to the ****ing because it gives us our best chance to score runs with the lineup we have at this time.

Kentucky's 2006 team had the exact same number of bnuts as our team had last year, 67 and one more in conference than our team last year 34. And that was with the monster bats in a small park! It's him not our team. The difference was that those monster bats could bail his bad decisions out whereas ours cannot.

Thats why I told Cadaver that a worse hitting team makes the man on first no out bnut even more of a liability

 

[Will James]

He's playing and recruiting to our large ballpark. Kentucky had a crackerjack box for a ballpark so he recruited to play gorilla ball and did it well.

No he didn't he bnuted the same exact amount of times as we did last year. His gorillas just bailed his *** out!

 

[JackShephard]

if this was football, we'd just say he was playing vanilla against inferior opponents.

 

[toxdog45]

Less now

In the five years Cohen was at Kentucky, they ****ed an average of 63.4 times per year. In his time at State, we average 49.75 times per year.

 

[Will James]

He's playing and recruiting to our large ballpark. Kentucky had a crackerjack box for a ballpark so he recruited to play gorilla ball and did it well.

Bump for Yard Bark who should do some research the next time he tries to prove me wrong

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

He must be a heck of a baseball coach to give away that many outs and STILL win the Southeastern Conference.

BFB

 

[CadaverDawg]

Kentucky's 2006 team had the exact same number of bnuts as our team had last year, 67 and one more in conference than our team last year 34. And that was with the monster bats in a small park! It's him not our team. The difference was that those monster bats could bail his bad decisions out whereas ours cannot.

Thats why I told Cadaver that a worse hitting team makes the man on first no out bnut even more of a liability

So....you say we **** too much, yet we **** less than his team did in the small ball park. You say that Cohen is "the problem"...yet he won the SEC at UK and the SEC Tourney at MSU last year. i think you may be the only one that thinks there is some big "problem".

We **** LESS than SEC Champion UK did with Cohen as Coach....yet you continuously say we **** too much to win the SEC. Are you not completely contradicting yourself and proving yourself wrong?

What am I missing?

 

[Will James]

If you look at man on first no out opportunities I would guess Kentucky in 06 had twice as many than us last year. So while the numbers were even, our percentage was much higher. Same for total years.

Ad I've said twice to you now having the big bats lessens the damage from ****ing while it hurts MORE if you can't hit. I figured those results would shine the light on you but being willfully ignorant is fine as you grasp for straws to contradict me. Cause you sure as **** can't debate Boyd or our numbers from last year

 

[CadaverDawg]

If you look at man on first no out opportunities I would guess Kentucky in 06 had twice as many than us last year. So while the numbers were even, our percentage was much higher. Same for total years.

Well you sure as hell weren't going to "guess" at stats to prove your point about Cohen at MSU...so maybe you should check the stats to make sure you're right on this one. You say "I would guess" as a way of calling me "ignorant"? And you quickly changed the subject back to Boyd after my last post, so why are you dodging that? I thought name calling was a form of knowing you're wrong? Do those rules you try to impose not apply to you?

And yes, I will argue Boyd's numbers because they're averages. I agree that we **** too much with a man n 1st no outs...where I disagree, as I've said before, is that there ARE times to **** in that situation. You say never. And if you're going to be argumentative with EVERYBODY about EVERY baseball topic, then don't get upset and start calling people ignorant when they pick your posts apart. If you're going to be a know-it-all *** then be prepared to know-it-17ing-all when questioned.

 

[shoeless joe]

here's the thing...

If you look at man on first no out opportunities I would guess Kentucky in 06 had twice as many than us last year. So while the numbers were even, our percentage was much higher. Same for total years.

Ad I've said twice to you now having the big bats lessens the damage from ****ing while it hurts MORE if you can't hit. I figured those results would shine the light on you but being willfully ignorant is fine as you grasp for straws to contradict me. Cause you sure as **** can't debate Boyd or our numbers from last year

you dont know **** about baseball

 

[Will James]

Well you sure as hell weren't going to "guess" at stats to prove your point about Cohen at MSU...so maybe you should check the stats to make sure you're right on this one. You say "I would guess" as a way of calling me "ignorant"? And you quickly changed the subject back to Boyd after my last post, so why are you dodging that? I thought name calling was a form of knowing you're wrong? Do those rules you try to impose not apply to you?

And yes, I will argue Boyd's numbers because they're averages. I agree that we **** too much with a man n 1st no outs...where I disagree, as I've said before, is that there ARE times to **** in that situation. You say never. And if you're going to be argumentative with EVERYBODY about EVERY baseball topic, then don't get upset and start calling people ignorant when they pick your posts apart. If you're going to be a know-it-all *** then be prepared to know-it-17ing-all when questioned.

It was a throwaway line... I've said if he limited it to late in games it wouldn't be an issue. Our problem stems from losing big innings when we need them.

Wanna know the % of man on first no out ****s we have this year 38%

Wanna know the other 13 teams % ****ing w man on 1, zero outs 9%

But yes we only do it "a little" too much ***

 

[CadaverDawg]

It was a throwaway line... I've said if he limited it to late in games it wouldn't be an issue. Our problem stems from losing big innings when we need them.

Wanna know the % of man on first no out ****s we have this year 38%

Wanna know the other 13 teams % ****ing w man on 1, zero outs 9%

But yes we only do it "a little" too much ***

Wanna know how many of those 13 teams are undefeated? 5
And we're the only one that has won 5 games.

Seems like if you could give Flrida, UGA, USC, etc, etc, etc, more ****s if it meant they were still undefeated...they would take it.

Once again, I agree that we do it a little too much...but when you have a lights out pitching staff, and a poor hitting team (especially gap hitters and power hitters), you're going to need to manufacture more runs. It is that simple. We are either going to win with small ball, great pitching, and great defense....or we aren't going to win. Might as well quit kicking the damn horse.

 

[Will James]

Wanna know how many of those 13 teams are undefeated? 5
And we're the only one that has won 5 games.

Seems like if you could give Flrida, UGA, USC, etc, etc, etc, more ****s if it meant they were still undefeated...they would take it.

Once again, I agree that we do it a little too much...but when you have a lights out pitching staff, and a poor hitting team (especially gap hitters and power hitters), you're going to need to manufacture more runs. It is that simple. We are either going to win with small ball, great pitching, and great defense....or we aren't going to win. Might as well quit kicking the damn horse.

We don't need to manufacture runs we need to score runs. The term "manufacturing runs" is just a meme that people like to feel nostalgic about. Scoring the most runs is what matters and how you score the most as shown by Boyd and OVERWHELMINGLY by my research from last season is not ****ing over one man all 17ing game long. Everyone reassured me that this year we have the speed and bats to not do that. Well Cohen has so far done it with Rea and 17ing Frazier. We are on pace to lead the nation in sacs.

I don't want to repeat Tallahassee again... Runs in regionals and Supers are a must.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Scoring the most runs is what matters

Yea genius, we know that... And obviously Cohen does too since he's been doing it a majority of his time as a head coach.

Manufacturing runs IS scoring runs...and for you to claim that manufacturing runs isn't real, is just a horse **** comment from somebody who knows they're wrong. Manufacturing runs is using ****s, hit and runs, steals, etc, to SCORE RUNS. If you'd like an example, see 2 nights ago when we manufactured 2 runs to keep from losing to Grambling.

Your problem is that you have zero ability to be objective, and can never admit you're wrong. Your overall premise is correct, but your stubbornness and inability to say certain situations call for ****s with a man on 1st and no outs, is what makes you wrong.

And don't think I didn't notice that you have changed from "never" **** with a man on 1st and no outs...to "only after the 7th inning in a tight game"

 

[Will James]

Yea genius, we know that... And obviously Cohen does too since he's been doing it a majority of his time as a head coach.

Manufacturing runs IS scoring runs...and for you to claim that manufacturing runs isn't real, is just a horse **** comment from somebody who knows they're wrong. Manufacturing runs is using ****s, hit and runs, steals, etc, to SCORE RUNS. If you'd like an example, see 2 nights ago when we manufactured 2 runs to keep from losing to Grambling.

Your problem is that you have zero ability to be objective, and can never admit you're wrong. Your overall premise is correct, but your stubbornness and inability to say certain situations call for ****s with a man on 1st and no outs, is what makes you wrong.

And don't think I didn't notice that you have changed from "never" **** with a man on 1st and no outs...to "only after the 7th inning in a tight game"

I don't think you should then either in most cases. Find my quote where I say it should never ever be done. You can't. And no, scoring runs is scoring runs. Hit and runs, steals, etc is part of scoring runs. Manufacturing runs is like 'assault weapons' both are made up terms. In most cases ****ing one man over takes away from the scoring runs tally.

As Rouge pointed out to some other poster there is no way of saying we don't score in those innings as the odds say we are more likely to.. Especially against GramBling

 

[CadaverDawg]

As Rouge pointed out to some other poster there is no way of saying we don't score in those innings as the odds say we are more likely to.. Especially against GramBling

That's what is so funny though....there's also nothing that DOES say we score without ****ing. And how many hits did we get in all of those at bats against Grambling that we DIDN'T ****??

You act like those stats are facts of how things will turn out. They aren't. They're averages. We could have lost against Grambling if we went by your boy Boyd's theory only. That is why you have to pay attention to situations in baseball. Situations, personnel, opponent, etc, all go in to the decision to Manufacture Runs or not. We manufacture runs sometimes whether you want to say it's a real term or not. Scoring runs is scoring runs, and we scored two runs by ****ing with a man on first and no outs against Grambling. We scored ZERO runs swinging away. So once again, while I don't agree with doing it a lot...it worked this week. And unlike you, I would rather beat Grambling by going against you and Boyd's theory, than to lose to them while playing the law of averages.