"Cohen ball"
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is there some point where the reputation of reaching base of HBP will eventually catch up with you?
the umpire has the authority to call you back if he thinks you leaned in. If you start bailing out on inside pitches you're letting the pitcher have far too much liberty in working you inside. Its not just about getting on base, its about forcing the pitcher to work the outer 2/3 of the plate.
I did not think any of them looked like we were trying to be hit except once with Goforth and he was not given the base. The rest just looked like our guys were not giving away the inside of the plate. I don't see why it would come back and bite us. I like our hustle on the bases. If we're going to be thrown out four times at third in four games at least it is now instead of SEC games.
throw try to brush our hitters back and knock them down. The other coaches will ***** about it to the umpires to the point where they may not allow a hitter to go to first base if he gets plunked.
The rule, as I have had it explained to me, and I think Patdog kind of alluded to this, is that the hitter has to make an effort to get out of the way of the pitch. That's very subjective, of course, and this weekend, one of our hitters was indeed not allowed to go to first base because of this. Of course, Cohen is well aware of this, and I'm 100% sure that he has made it known to our hitters that if they get hit to make sure that they do something to at least try to make it look like we are getting out of the way.
The thing I like about it is that when you have a reputation for doing something like leaning in, it gives the other team something else to think about. It also puts a thought in the back of the pitcher's mind, "Hey, if I go inside they might lean into the pitch." You're essentially taking away half of the plate. Putting thoughts like that into a pitcher's head make it harder for them to execute their pitches and puts more pressure on them to make an even more perfect pitch.
The rule, as I have had it explained to me, and I think Patdog kind of alluded to this, is that the hitter has to make an effort to get out of the way of the pitch. That's very subjective, of course, and this weekend, one of our hitters was indeed not allowed to go to first base because of this. Of course, Cohen is well aware of this, and I'm 100% sure that he has made it known to our hitters that if they get hit to make sure that they do something to at least try to make it look like we are getting out of the way.
The thing I like about it is that when you have a reputation for doing something like leaning in, it gives the other team something else to think about. It also puts a thought in the back of the pitcher's mind, "Hey, if I go inside they might lean into the pitch." You're essentially taking away half of the plate. Putting thoughts like that into a pitcher's head make it harder for them to execute their pitches and puts more pressure on them to make an even more perfect pitch.
then I think we'll be okay:
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(this clip never gets old)
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(this clip never gets old)
"You're essentially taking away half of the plate. Putting thoughts like that into a pitcher's head make it harder for them to execute their pitches and puts more pressure on them to make an even more perfect pitch."
Exactly. Plus you will always have umpires whose strike zones reach 6 inches off the plate and now you have the advantage of not only reaching outside pitches but making solid contact.
Exactly. Plus you will always have umpires whose strike zones reach 6 inches off the plate and now you have the advantage of not only reaching outside pitches but making solid contact.
allows the batter to "freeze" and get hit if the ball is clearly within the batters box. Seems to me that you would really have to crowd the plate to get hit by a ball not clearly within the batters box.
What's funny is, when we hit another teams batter, the last thing I do is blame the batter or the opposing coach.
What's funny is, when we hit another teams batter, the last thing I do is blame the batter or the opposing coach.
Per baseball official rule 6.08(b), a batter becomes a baserunner and is awarded first base when he or his equipment (except for his bat):
If a batter is hit by a fastball right at him, it will usually be ruled that he didn't have the opportunity to avoid it. But you can't just stand there and let a curve or a changeup hit you and get first base, according to the rule.</p>
- is touched by a pitched ball outside of the strike zone,
- and he attempts to avoid it (or had no opportunity to avoid it),
- and he did not swing at the pitch.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-0"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span>
If a batter is hit by a fastball right at him, it will usually be ruled that he didn't have the opportunity to avoid it. But you can't just stand there and let a curve or a changeup hit you and get first base, according to the rule.</p>
I have seen teams lean into a few, the opposing coach complains, then later in the game the Ump would not award a borderline legitimate HBP when he thinks they are just leaning into the pitch. That doesn't happen often though.
Its an effective way to get a few extra runners on base per game, and it can completely frustrate a pitcher to the point he loses command of his pitches. I have seen pitches blow up after letting a few runners on base like that. It is smart, aggressive baseball.
Its an effective way to get a few extra runners on base per game, and it can completely frustrate a pitcher to the point he loses command of his pitches. I have seen pitches blow up after letting a few runners on base like that. It is smart, aggressive baseball.
page 87 in this attachment. Maybe Im looking at the wrong thing:
http://www.ncaapublicatio...22f-9485-e7318255488f.pdf
http://www.ncaapublicatio...22f-9485-e7318255488f.pdf
I agree.
However, to answer DS' question......a disadvandage is if you face a picture who can throw heat and paint the inside corner. You could be looking at some weak ground balls off the handle.
With that said, I am sure Cohen and company will move them back if the pitcher is hitting the inside corner and the ump favors the inside portion of the plate.
good coaches take advantages of the rules whether it be basketball, football or basketball. If the umpire allows the batter to get hit by a pitch with little or no effort to get out of the way, then it's legal and players should take advantage as well.
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