Cohen

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

I want to get this out of the way before this series and the
rest of the year. I don’t like how Cohen
coaches,the lack of respect he seems to have for the game and his
players. I am glad we are having some
success and I hope that success continues.I will always pull for State regardless for my feelings for the
coach. At the same time my feelings for
Cohen will not change regardless for how much success he has, unless he
changes.



I recently watched the ESPN special on Augie Garrido, I know
it is several years old but after watching it I was jealous of their
coach. I also recently watched the Real
Sports (HBO) episode on Joe Madden. They both know how to motivate and they understand
how to get the most out of their player’s abilities. Cohen knows how to intimidate. His coaching style appears to me to be more
suited for football than baseball and I don’t think that in the long term that
style will be successful. He says that
he just being competitive and can’t stand losing. I don’t like to lose either and I think that
in order to be successful that your players have to play loose and not be afraid
to make a mistake. 



Just my two cents worth. Flame away

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

I want to get this out of the way before this series and the
rest of the year. I don’t like how Cohen
coaches,the lack of respect he seems to have for the game and his
players. I am glad we are having some
success and I hope that success continues.I will always pull for State regardless for my feelings for the
coach. At the same time my feelings for
Cohen will not change regardless for how much success he has, unless he
changes.



I recently watched the ESPN special on Augie Garrido, I know
it is several years old but after watching it I was jealous of their
coach. I also recently watched the Real
Sports (HBO) episode on Joe Madden. They both know how to motivate and they understand
how to get the most out of their player’s abilities. Cohen knows how to intimidate. His coaching style appears to me to be more
suited for football than baseball and I don’t think that in the long term that
style will be successful. He says that
he just being competitive and can’t stand losing. I don’t like to lose either and I think that
in order to be successful that your players have to play loose and not be afraid
to make a mistake. 



Just my two cents worth. Flame away

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

I want to get this out of the way before this series and the
rest of the year. I don’t like how Cohen
coaches,the lack of respect he seems to have for the game and his
players. I am glad we are having some
success and I hope that success continues.I will always pull for State regardless for my feelings for the
coach. At the same time my feelings for
Cohen will not change regardless for how much success he has, unless he
changes.



I recently watched the ESPN special on Augie Garrido, I know
it is several years old but after watching it I was jealous of their
coach. I also recently watched the Real
Sports (HBO) episode on Joe Madden. They both know how to motivate and they understand
how to get the most out of their player’s abilities. Cohen knows how to intimidate. His coaching style appears to me to be more
suited for football than baseball and I don’t think that in the long term that
style will be successful. He says that
he just being competitive and can’t stand losing. I don’t like to lose either and I think that
in order to be successful that your players have to play loose and not be afraid
to make a mistake. 



Just my two cents worth. Flame away

shotgunDawg · May 11, 2012

Is this the Augie Garrido you were talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAvga-4wYz0

Brahmabull · May 11, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY0_jeOUB6Q&feature=related

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</div><div>and by the way, I have no problem with any of this. I have a problem with all the people who do!!!</div><div>
</div><div>If John Cohen acts like this every single game but is successful in taking us to Omaha and winning it all, then he has done his job and I will be thankful. For those that don't like it, go support somebody else!!!</div>

engie · May 11, 2012

Polk thinks even less of him than he does of Cohen***

Of course, that hasn't stopped Garrido from becoming the winningest college coach of all time...with how many titles?

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

I never said there isn't a time to show your ***. In the special they showed the first clip and said that he rarely raises his voice but when he does he gets his moneys worth. My son has played for coaches that only motivate by yelling. They yell so much, like Cohen, that he tunes them out and all he hears blah blah blah.

CadaverDawg · May 11, 2012

If you have to go with Madden (won a World Series at Tampa Bay!), or Garrido (winningest of all time) in order to explain why you dislike Cohen......then you will NEVER be happy with anybody. Cohen's style is different, but come on, have you ever played for a guy like Cohen? Or played at all? I would have killed to play for a guy that competes and cares as much as Cohen. Not to say other approaches don't work as well or better, but just bc it's different doesn't mean it can't be as effective or more effective long term as the two you mentioned.

Shmuley · May 11, 2012

you did a ****** job raising your son.

[see, that was me using your f'n ****** logic to prove a point. I don't know **** about you or how you raised your son. But it didn't stop me from pointing out your fatherly attributes as ******. Maybe since I don't know **** about your fathering ability, or your son for that matter, I should probably just shut the f@ck up about it].

spacecataz · May 11, 2012

NTDawg said:
My son has played for coaches that only motivate by yelling.

You can do better than this. You mean to tell me that you don't personally know some former players who played under Cohenand can't stand him? You should go with that, it sounds better and it seems to be the most popular anti-Cohen thing going.***************************

Maroon Flounder · May 11, 2012

And I like that kind of style. These are NOT minor leaguers. I want a Pete Rose kind of player that plays his 17n *** off and doesn't take any ****.

Like someone nicknamed him here on SPS as the INTENSE BASTARD. Loved Cohen's style as a player. Love his coaching style even more.

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

and you right about my parenting skills. It will be a
miracle he is not screwed up by the time he leaves the house. But you are missing
the point. If scream at him (and he hears plenty from me) or anyone else that I
have authority over all time they will eventually tune you out.

spacecataz · May 11, 2012

NTDawg said:
If scream at him (and he hears plenty from me) or anyone else that I have authority over all time they will eventually tune you out.

Well if they're too 17'n dumb and/or lazy not to get the point the first few times you yell at themthen they are going to be failures at life no matter what.

Shmuley · May 11, 2012

And I gave an example of an uninformed opinion on your parenting skills. I think you don't know much of anything about how Cohen deals with his players on a day to day basis.

Beretta.sixpack · May 11, 2012

cohen does some dumb ****, but as a whole, i love his emotional ties to the game and MSU

Coach34 · May 11, 2012

NTDawg said:
I never said there isn't a time to show your ***. In the special they showed the first clip and said that he rarely raises his voice but when he does he gets his moneys worth. My son has played for coaches that only motivate by yelling. They yell so much, like Cohen, that he tunes them out and all he hears blah blah blah.

are tuning Cohen out. They play hard as hell out there on the field. He let Norris stay out there long enough to make 3 errors in one game- I'd say that's being pretty damn patient.

You brought up Garrido because you saw something on him- but had no idea these rants existed. It just goes to show you- no matter the program, this is big boy baseball and not just some activity. If guys cant handle someone getting on their ***, they need to get out of the sport.

aerodawg.sixpack · May 11, 2012

and gives pats on the back for those backwards K's, probably a hug if they strike out swinging, and a week off practice if they get a hit.**

What is up with all these people that can't handle an intense coach. Hell I thrived off of intense coaches and it made me feel like the other guys were just happy to be there when they were so laid back. Cohen is intense when he gets pissed, and he has a reason to get pissed every time that he does.

I have said it for years, but I think I read someone on here post about the pussification of America and 18-22 year old men that can't handle or get their feelings hurt by an intense coach when they 17 up is a prime example. 17ing **** is going to get youth football banned.

Hanmudog · May 11, 2012

Fans get frustrated when the coach does not seem to get pissed off over a loss. Croom,Polk, and Stansbury just never seemed to get upset over losses and that drove me nuts. I want to see a coach that cares even if he does express it with four letter words.

I have had some doubts about Cohen but one thing I do not doubt is his ability to get his players to play hard. It is a freaking miracle what he has done this year with the youth and injuries on our team.

Todd4State · May 11, 2012

You admit that we are having success. You also say that you will not like Cohen no matter how much success he has.

So, if we won a National Championship, you still wouldn't like John Cohen?

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but you sound pretty closed minded to me.

But I do love that you said that he should be more like Augie Garrido.

patdog · May 11, 2012

And it's hilarious that you're bitching about Cohen and praising Garrido in the same post. We desperately needed a coachwho coaches the wayCohen does. My only problem in the world with him is his hitters are even worse than Polk II hitters were. I hope that changes real soon.

Uncle Ruckus · May 11, 2012

they ended up losing to philly in '08 i believe

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

it stated that he rarely shows his *** but when he does he gets everyones attention. Look I want to win them all not just this week-end and I don't think that in the long run that you can be successful in baseball unless you can get your players to play loose. Intense is good sometimes but being intense all time is called being an *******.

I don't that he can when a NC. I made the statement so that when we fall short of our lon term goals no one can say I was fine with Cohen when we were winning.

CadaverDawg · May 11, 2012

thinking about their appearance in the World Series. Thanks for the info

CadaverDawg · May 11, 2012

If you're wanting to say, "I told you so" if we DON'T get to where we want to go....and you're admitting to that in this last post....then you just made an already terrible thread even worse. I thought your OP was uninformed....I think this last post is just dumb as 17

missouridawg · May 11, 2012

best quote from this one.

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

all of the Cohen lovers coming on here saying where are the hatersand vice versa. Sounless he changes I will not like his style of coaching period.I don't think that it works in the long run.

BillBraskyDOG · May 11, 2012

The only problem I have with Cohen is Nick Mingione and his bush league behavior. The stuff he does reflects poorly on cohen and he's lost a lot of respect from coaches because of it.

patdog · May 11, 2012

So what if Cohen's an *******? Plenty of great coaches are ********. I you don't like the Cohen lovers, then ***** about them. Or ***** about something substantive about Cohen.

CadaverDawg · May 11, 2012

I mean, if you don't like him that's fine, but for goodness sake come up with a better reason why. So far you've used a documentary on Garrido first, then you said bc you want to be able to say you never liked him if we don't succeed, and now you're posting this bc you "hate when people say where are the Cohen bashers now"???? Seriously? Maybe you should quit putting so much stock into what this board thinks of you.

patdog · May 11, 2012

Mignione is an embarrassment.

spacecataz · May 11, 2012

NTDawg said:
the lack of respect he seems to have for the game and his players.

"Seems" is the key word. I think the bottom line here is that you more than likely don't know **** about Cohen personally, the way he coaches,or the way he treats his players.

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

I just not going to wait for todays results to express my opinion like the rest of you *** wipes

patdog · May 11, 2012

somebody has to be the ******* and I'm the *******. Well, our baseball program needed an ******* (the good kind, Polk was the completely wrong kind of *******) and Cohen's the *******. We needed that attitude in our program and he brought it. Now, if he could just recruit and coach some hitters.

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

thank you very much

patdog · May 11, 2012

I was just trying to help you not look like even more of an idiot. Seriously, I'm one of the biggest Cohen critics there is. When I'm telling you you're way off base, that's a pretty good sign that you're way off base and should just try to cut your losses. But like I said, have at it.

NTDawg · May 11, 2012

thanksdontneedyourhelp

engie · May 11, 2012

ALL top coaches in college baseball today have the a-hole gene in them. Its how they got to the top. How often they show it is up for debate...

Think Bianco is a nice guy? Think he won't cuss a mf in the dugout? You've lost your mind. I've personally known too many people that played for him. Cohen isn't all that much different of a coach.

Good "ahole" coaches put more pressure on you in practice than you could ever hope to see in a game. With a little maturity and 1-2 years of practicing "the right way", they can literally turn you into a machine.

I'm sorry we no longer have Ron Polk patting them on the back for falling miles short of our expectations.

Uncle Ruckus · May 12, 2012

Comparing cohen and maddon is 17in stupid. Maddon may be the best coach in baseball today. I don't think there's a coach I'd rather have for my team.

BulldogBlitz · May 12, 2012

engie said:
Polk thinks even less of him than he does of Cohen***

Of course, that hasn't stopped Garrido from becoming the winningest college coach of all time...with how many titles?

...and he seems to get away with a hell of a lot of crappy "personal" behavior that would have most coaches run out of town. amazing the amount of double standards and blinders that a fanbase will have as long as they have "the winningest college coach of all time".

BulldogBlitz · May 12, 2012

NTDawg said:
it stated that he rarely shows his *** but when he does he gets everyones attention.

he saves that for when he's at restaurants and has been drinking since 8:30 am. at that point, he's a huge a$$ and loves to get in his car and go to the next bar.

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