Cohen's explanation

[Todd4State]

"We just aren't good enough to win these kind of games yet," MSU head coach John Cohen said. "Our kids put a lot pressure on themselves to compete. We are learning how to compete. But for every step we take forward, we take a couple of steps backwards."

I find the pressure comment interesting. But I will say this- and probably didn't because it would be dogging his players- but talent comes into the equation at some point as well.

 

[Thick]

we were talented enough to have a 3 run lead going into the ninth. They let Crosswhite go too long, and I know the bullpen is thin but he got his *** handed to him during a mid-week game. Then again, if we wouldn't have booted a grounder at short there would be no explanation needed. Just sucks that we are as bad as we are even with Cohen as the HC. All I know is that there better be some hellatious changes in results when "his boys" get into the program, because this isn't UK.

 

[jbulldog]

we were talented enough to have a 3 run lead going into the ninth. They let Crosswhite go too long, and I know the bullpen is thin but he got his *** handed to him during a mid-week game. Then again, if we wouldn't have booted a grounder at short there would be no explanation needed. Just sucks that we are as bad as we are even with Cohen as the HC. All I know is that there better be some hellatious changes in results when "his boys" get into the program, because this isn't UK.

he can blame not being good enough all he wants but last night is on Coach Cohen and he should have "manned up" and taken responsibility. I support him but he blew it last night by leaving Crosswhite in way too long....reminded me of Coach Polk. Regardless of what little talent may have been in the bullpen, anyone would have been better than a pitcher who pitched to NINE batters in one inning. Wow...it had to be crushing for the team, but imagine what it felt like for Chad Crosswhite; he had to be devastated. He will feel like he let his team down when in fact, his coach let him and the team down and then proceeded to blame a lack of talent.

 

[rhs43]

I guess I'm on Cohen's side, b/c I'm only 23, and I have never really known when Miss. State was just bad *** at anything, maybe a couple years in football, but when your team has a bunch of players that just 17ing suck, **** like this happens. Let's face it, anyone in that bullpen would have blown it, and there are a bunch of pussies dressed in maroon and white. It is just absurd to me that people are already threatening Coach that he better perform better when his players get here. Well I know this much, it's gonna take a couple years before he gets that one class that is just gonna turn this program around, so be patient.

 

[jbulldog]

I guess I'm on Cohen's side, b/c I'm only 23, and I have never really known when Miss. State was just bad *** at anything, maybe a couple years in football, but when your team has a bunch of players that just 17ing suck, **** like this happens. Let's face it, anyone in that bullpen would have blown it, and there are a bunch of pussies dressed in maroon and white. It is just absurd to me that people are already threatening Coach that he better perform better when his players get here. Well I know this much, it's gonna take a couple years before he gets that one class that is just gonna turn this program around, so be patient.

you "guess" you are Cohen's side? I know I am on his side and like you I believe he will be successful. I think Cohen should be given way more than two years to restore a program that is obviously depleted. That said, our coach should take responsibility for the loss last night and move on. Your description of them as "pussies" is way out of line. As for the bullpen, we will never know if anyone out there could have blown it or not.

 

[basedog]

Crosswhite didn't lose the game by himself last night, as for as we had talent good enough for a 3 run lead is a retarded statement. You play 27 outs, come on, it ain't how you start but how you finish!

 

[dawgoneyall]

This loss was largely on the back of the coaching staff.

Bad decisions happen in baseball. It's the sum at the end that counts.

Two to three years and this type stuff is still happening and we aren't competing then I will be the biggest bitcher on this board. When I say this loss is on the staff that is just a statement. Not bitching.......much.

 

[WPDawg]

Cohen has the credentials to say that he knows what it takes to be successful. He knows his players and knows what arms he has to work with for the weekend. If you have coached baseball at an age where pitching has to be used stategically then you understand sometimes your pitching moves work and sometime they dont.

 

[beachbumdawg]

we were talented enough to have a 3 run lead going into the ninth. <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">They let Crosswhite go too long,</span> and I know the bullpen is thin but he got his *** handed to him during a mid-week game. Then again, if we wouldn't have booted a grounder at short there would be no explanation needed. Just sucks that we are as bad as we are even with Cohen as the HC. All I know is that there better be some hellatious changes in results when "his boys" get into the program, because this isn't UK.

he can blame not being good enough all he wants but last night is on Coach Cohen and he should have "manned up" and taken responsibility. <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(204, 0, 51);">I support him but he blew it last night by <span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span> leaving Crosswhite in way too long</span>....reminded me of Coach Polk. Regardless of what little talent may have been in the bullpen, anyone would have been better than a pitcher who pitched to NINE batters in one inning. Wow...it had to be crushing for the team, <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(204, 0, 51);">but imagine what it felt like for Chad Crosswhite</span>; <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(204, 0, 51);">he had to be devastated</span>. He will feel like he let his team down when in fact, his coach let him and the team down and then proceeded to <span style="font-weight: bold;">blame a lack of talent.</span>

Blue: Possibly

Red: So did he leave in too long or not long enough?

Well he had his SENIOR out there and expected him to perform like a SENIOR should in that situation and nut up and get the job done....obviously Crosswhite didnt perform under pressure.......maybe it was the 3200 fans at the game that got to him......i mean polk told us as much

Bold:
Well that is blatantly obvious

 

[8dog]

First: "They let Crosswhite go too long, and I know the bullpen is thin but he got his *** handed to him during a mid-week game."

Crosswhite has pitched in one midweek game in the last month, and he gave up no runs.

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but no matter who we put in not named Routt, Whitney, or Moore, we get lit.

The biggest mistake was throwing Moore against La Monroe, but I think Cohen is making an honest effort to win as many games as possible with 3 pitchers.

But I'd rather throw our garbage against midweek and hope we can score runs and save Moore for the pen or Sunday on weekends.

But we're nitpicking b/c w/our players, the decisions have to be flawless.

 

[8dog]

says this: "we were talented enough to have a 3 run lead going into the ninth"

Unbelievable.

 

[rhs43]

that way, I was in a hurry this morning, and the fact that I think that some of them are pussies is my opinion that I'm going to stand by.

 

[TilloDawg]

by Powers on a groundball to SS let the 5th run score from second base, then Collins muffed the same ball in LF to let the tying run score from 1st base. Hard to blame him for not one <17>-up, but two by the defense.

Crosswhite did lose it after that, but he should have been in the lockeroom celebrating long before all that happened.

 

[Todd4State]

per Veazey. But you have to wonder how long he can go on short rest.

 

[Todd4State]

here between Polk and Cohen as far as this decision is this- it was the defense that let us down. Here's what I think Cohen was thinking. Chad made the pitch to get the guy out, and the defense kicked it around, so let's see if he can get the next guy out. Walk, and then home run later, he looks bad.

I think the defense making the errors affected Cohen's decision more than anything, plus the lack of effectiveness in the bullpen.

Something similar happened against Georgia. Crosswhite struggled, and we brought in Houston and Houston got lit up to. I have to believe that had to be in the back of Cohen's mind as well.

 

[Thick]

How's that asshat?

 

[basedog]

just saying we lost as a team not by the coach or Crosswhite. Back to you "asshat".</p>

 

[jbulldog]

that way, I was in a hurry this morning, and the fact that I think that some of them are pussies is my opinion that I'm going to stand by.

it would be my guess that you are not willing to call them pussies to their face. If any one player on this team came calling to your door it also would be my guess that would get in a hurry again and go out the back door. Maybe the next game you attend you can just stand up and yell to the top of your voice what you think they are. That way you wouldn't have to deal with the player directly...you can just have your mouth closed by one of their 40-50 yr old fathers. There is no good reason in the world to name call players doing the best with what they have...even if the skill level isn't what you prefer it to be.