Cole Payton
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Sure, I guess. But that didn't stop Frost from signing Hunter Haarberg who had worse mechanics. Either way, it's dumb that Nebraska hasn't beaten a rated team in 10 years and we continue to make excuses for these guys. But as I said before, it's a given that Cole Payton would be a worse QB if he went to Nebraska. We care more about stars out of HS than actual talent.
Well there is a very good correlation with star rankings and collegiate production, as well as NFL status. So yeah, I’d rather recruit and sign a 4 star over a 2 star, especially when we can’t develop players worth a lick anyways. But I don’t fully disagree with your response.
Haarberg was also a higher rated recruit somehow, despite not being the Gatorade player of the year in Nebraska. They were in the same class as well.
That is true. Guess it doesn't matter as much to me. I'm still trying to take the best guy I can get. ESPECIALLY if you are gonna draft more than one guy at said position. Imagine we go out and sign 2 or 3 really good WRs and then simply "take a lessor guy" regardless of where he's from . Again I'm saying you "know" he's not the best you can get but you take him anyways? Just never made sense to me. Of course we all miss sometimes so there is that. But "knowingly" taking a lessor guy than you could is just messy work to me. Just get the best guys you can and let em compete.
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I'll never win an argument that two stars are better than four stars, but on a case by case basis it just comes down to how you develop them. We've struck out with kids who need to be "coached up". And the four star kids who are flat out studs do not come to Nebraska. The same pattern is repeating itself with the transfer portal. Our transfers are not going to the combine like they do at other schools. Regardless of stars, we need *** kickers-- just my opinion.
Did Haarberg get higher rated because he got an offer from B.C. out of HS and then Nebraska? That's it really. Meanwhile Cole Payton was better in high school, better in college and a better athlete. In truth, I think we should have recruited both Haarberg and Payton-- elite athletes who can play multiple positions. But in reality, Payton would not be where he is today if he came to Nebraska.
Hindsight is always 20/20. I'm not sure who was the better player or the better prospect was in HS.
For me the better question would've been were these the best two guys that we could've signed out of HS? I would seriously doubt that was the case in either.
I also would agree with the fact that once these guys touch campus everything is NOT equal when comparing development of either with Nebraska vs other schools. It's been proven over numerous years that just because a guy became great elsewhere definitely doesn't mean it would've happened at Nebraska. In fact it's pretty much been the opposite.
I liked HH but more as. TE from day 1. Imo he would've been a much better player than he ended up being here. For CP I can't even say because I don't remember. But I will say he wouldn't have gotten developed as well at Nebraska as he did.
Like I said hindsight is easy. Some guys wanna take every player in Nebraska that is has a D1 offer..and even some that don't. You can't want that and ALSO wanna win at a high level in today's climate. My opinion of course.
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Did not know this kid existed (missed any board talk of his recruiting). An FCS site lists him as the #9 overall prospect coming out of FCS. The combine performance numbers show an elite athlete for the position. His size is prototypical for the position in the NFL.
Frost blew a recruiting opportunity that a bunch of other schools also whiffed on. However, the kid probably would have been on the roster during the TO years.
Frost blew a recruiting opportunity that a bunch of other schools also whiffed on. However, the kid probably would have been on the roster during the TO years.
The kid’s a flat out jock. Without doubt a better athlete than Raiola. I wonder if anyone would want to take bets over which one of the two has a better career in the NFL. Here’s what ChatGPT tells us about him athletically.
While official NFL Combine numbers vary by source, the most consistent reported athletic performance details include:
- 40-Yard Dash: ~4.56 seconds — a very good time for a quarterback, showing above-average straight-line speed.
- Vertical Jump: 40 inches — excellent explosiveness.
- Broad Jump: 10′10″ — strong lower-body power and burst.
- Throwing Drills: Scouts noted good accuracy on short/intermediate throws with a smooth motion on drills, but less consistent deep-ball arm strength at the Combine.
We can only wish that Nebraska was doing as well at developing top tier NFL talent, as, say, NC State. We aren’t even within sniffing distance of the top of the Big Ten.
Ideally, yeah. Recruit better guys. But I'm convinced that development is more important right now than recruiting. Just look at Cole Payton, who at this moment is considered by a few to be the #2 QB in this weak draft class. Iowa's line kicked our *** with guys from KC, Council Bluffs and rural Illinois. No fanfare with their recruitment, but now all this year all three will be drafted by round four.
We fans think our heads are in the clouds, not wanting to give up on past glory. And most people think that it's all about recruiting rankings, but we've forgotten how we used to win in the first place! Have an eye for talent and develop them into a smart, hard working and extremely physical football team.