Their ninth string defense is nothing but 4 stars so what are you saying?Was he playing against the 9th string defense ?
Their ninth string defense is nothing but 4 stars so what are you saying?Was he playing against the 9th string defense ?
Why do you think coaches are so perfect? There's a reason a bunch of them get fired every year. And as much as I like Greg , he has too from his last 2 gigs before 2.0.If it makes sense to play other QBs, the coaching staff will do so. Presumably, the younger QBs are developing and getting better. So at some point, unless they are really bad at the other stuff required of QBs in Gleason's system, perhaps another QB will show enough to the coaches to earn more playing time.
I didn’t say anything remotely close to “coaches are perfect“. Not even in the same hemisphere as that.Why do you think coaches are so perfect? There's a reason a bunch of them get fired every year. And as much as I like Greg , he has too from his last 2 gigs before 2.0.
they can also be too close or too biased to see what even a novice can see. This has ample evidence in historyI didn’t say anything remotely close to “coaches are perfect“. Not even in the same hemisphere as that.
All coaches make all kinds of mistakes all the time. Just ask them.
But even at their most imperfect, D1 coaches have vastly more experience (99.9% of the time) and vastly more information (100% of the time) to decide who to play than any fan. Sports fans thinking they know better is one of the silliest gross misconceptions I ever hear. It’s a completely indefensible position.
Yeah, coaches gets fired all the time. But sports fans don’t even ever get hired. It’s no contest.
I used to believe this until yesterday. He chucked up a few into double coverage and, that is not taking care of the ball.I think some fans need to accept what’s going on here — GS is not trying to win 10 games because he knows we can’t. He’s trying to scrap together 6 and maybe 7, and he knows that for all of his limitations Vedral is the best option to do that. He generally takes care of the ball and he understands the value in living for another series.
Just re-watched the first half of Ohio State. Noah's first half was terrible. Overthrown balls, off-target, and he threw once pass in the flat to Pacheco, and don't know how he did not see Pacheco was going to get steamrolled.Noah is inconsistent. When he’s good he’s pretty good. But when he’s bad we are non-functional. I wouldn’t mind seeing a little cole mixed in but I have no idea if it’s the right decision.
I was really surprised the safety didn't bite on the play action fake to.... nobody.His third INT was just awful. Deep ball that was horribly underthrown.
That's a fair take for next year.Like I said the other day, albeit somewhat differently, Vedral doesn’t have a high ceiling but his floor is higher than the other options. And that floor can get us to 6-7 wins. So, while of course GS wants to win every game, he’s not risking 6-7 wins to develop these other guys hoping he can get to 9-10. We’re simply not at that level yet. And, let’s be clear, Wimstatt or Vedral will be our QB next year — not Simon nor Synder.
That's a fair take for next year.
What if Vedral has another sputtering performance against Michigan State, or one of the other upcoming games where we should have a chance to win? At what point do Greg and Sean sub in Snyder or Simon?
In a similar way, Bielema has steadfastly stood by Brandon Peters. The BTN crew was saying Art should get reps, and during their game, the announcers were saying Art had better stats. Since coming back from his injury, Peter has:We all know that historically GS is extremely loyal to his QB. And, while some disagree (and that’s ok), I believe GS knows OSU is simply at another level. So, I don’t think he’ll hold that against Vedral or anyone else. That’s a long way of saying it would be 2 more bad performances rather than just 1 before he starts to think about someone else.
If we look at Cole Snyder’s results on the field, even though we don’t have a large body of work, he simply drives the ball down the field and scores touchdowns almost every time he touches the ball….if I were the coaches, I would be sitting up and taking notes!!! #freesnyder
"If it makes sense to play other QBs, the coaching staff will do so."I didn’t say anything remotely close to “coaches are perfect“. Not even in the same hemisphere as that.
All coaches make all kinds of mistakes all the time. Just ask them.
But even at their most imperfect, D1 coaches have vastly more experience (99.9% of the time) and vastly more information (100% of the time) to decide who to play than any fan. Sports fans thinking they know better is one of the silliest gross misconceptions I ever hear. It’s a completely indefensible position.
Yeah, coaches gets fired all the time. But sports fans don’t even ever get hired. It’s no contest.
why i said earlier he's a victim of the scheme bias. He should start regardless imhothe thing is, ‘84, is that the 2 deep is practicing read option full-time each week and that’s not Snyder’s skill set. I’m sure he does get limited reps but he’d only be permitted a very limited set of plays. Schiano is Uber conservative even with the starter so imagine how little Snyder would be allowed to do in a game.
I can't believe we don't play Youngblood more often. The kid is fast as **** and the defense can't defend both him and AC in the open field. Instead we run 4 yard passes to Langan which are going to be tackled almost immediately.The key is arm strength. All these sideline screen throws --- Vedrals ball takes ten minutes to get there and our receiver is taken down right away much of the time. Snider comes in and zips the ball to the same spots and the YAC is significant. And for Christ's sake look at what Youngblood can do. Word is he doesn't run great patterns. Who cares...throw him the bubble and let him go.
Getting better?Rutgers, always a backup QB away from a national championship. So frustrating.
Not a single post in this thread intimated such a scenario. The general theme is why wouldn't a backup QB get more meaningful reps early in the game when the starting QB has clear limitations and is struggling in a game, especially when one has demonstrated ability on multiple occasions.Rutgers, always a backup QB away from a national championship. So frustrating.
Nine times out of ten, when the back up gets a chance to play against a first team defense, early or when the outcome hasn’t been decided.I’ll agree with you on that. But you should agree with me on my point, which is that barely has a time existed when there isn’t a thread on this board about the backup quarterback. The biggest rooting cliche of all is ever present here. I’m not saying that Vedral doesn’t have drawbacks. He’s got several, some big. But I’ll defer to the coaches on whether the ever-changing guy (of whom they’ve seen only glimpses) that fans on this board want to take-over the job should actually take-over the job. And I don’t accept “well just try something” as an answer.
Don't have time to look up each case, but willing to bet this is a common theme for all teams.I’ll agree with you on that. But you should agree with me on my point, which is that barely has a time existed when there isn’t a thread on this board about the backup quarterback. The biggest rooting cliche of all is ever present here. I’m not saying that Vedral doesn’t have drawbacks. He’s got several, some big. But I’ll defer to the coaches on whether the ever-changing guy (of whom they’ve seen only glimpses) that fans on this board want to take-over the job should actually take-over the job. And I don’t accept “well just try something” as an answer.
Honestly, the QB is probably the OC's call. Snyder has better physical tools, Vedral had a bad day (really bad), but Snyder played when Ohio St. foot was clearly off the accelerator. Ha, ha, the game was over in like ten minutes. Someone wrote that Teel as a commentator mentioned (the famous double hearsay) that Snyder's passes were one read options. Still ... there is the eyeball test, and given RU's history of QB mismanagement ...I live Schiano (no homo) but he has a clear history of mismanaging the QB position. Vedral is a good kid and a good game manager but he cannot make the throws that enable this offense to keep a defense honest. I cannot believe we don’t have several pick sixes by now. Its too easy.
Yes, we agree that it's the thing that lots and lots of fan bases do. Here, we've got a guy who in his career has thrown for 20 something yards and run for maybe 1, and fans on message boards believe that the coach should play him instead. Wash, rinse, repeat.Don't have time to look up each case, but willing to bet this is a common theme for all teams.
Wisconsin fans are questioning Mertz.
Illinois fans have to be questioning Peters.
This has not been the year of great QBs in the B1G.
Curious on this travel. When my son RS’d in 05, he traveled to all the away games.2nd string and first string mix most likely.
I doubt they travel with their 3rd string defense.
Visiting teams can't bring their entire team on away games.
Snyder had better throwing mechanics and velocity on his balls and accuracy than Vedral has shown all season.
He is slower than Vedral so would be more of a liability when asked to run though, but not by much when you factor in Vedral's passing ability.
Didn’t he leave the Patriots on his own?Why do you think coaches are so perfect? There's a reason a bunch of them get fired every year. And as much as I like Greg , he has too from his last 2 gigs before 2.0.
Got it, but what some here (and me) are advocating is to maybe pull the plug earlier on Vedral in a game where he is struggling and the game is out of hand. The OP said: "I'd like to see the coaches use Snyder more and add him to the mix"Yes, we agree that it's the thing that lots and lots of fan bases do. Here, we've got a guy who in his career has thrown for 20 something yards and run for maybe 1, and fans on message boards believe that the coach should play him instead. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Now, if Schiano and Gleeson, after seeing the kid in practice and/or the position room, decide to start Evan Snyder Simon Cole, OK. They have a better basis to make that decision than the internet. And I know that coaches get things wrong, but it's hard not to chuckle when fans think 5 passes in a blowout make them right. Schiano and Gleeson have consistently moved other players up the depth chart based principally on practice performance, most recently on the OLine. So I'll credit that rather than the incessant internet hum of fans calling for the latest backup QB.
This is usually the retreat position for those who push for the backup QB. OK, so don’t start him but just play him more. But it’s really just the same argument, an argument to get to see the guy he hasn’t seen much and thinks is better. You never hear these fans make the same argument about all the other positions. It’s always the fixation on the QB. So now the fan knows more about the proper balance between continuity of the offensive personnel and getting the backups work in an actual game. Of course, these same fans in some different argument will claim that a group playing together for a long time creates long-term benefits. But here, that isn’t so important. Why? Same reason as always. The backup QB syndrome.Got it, but what some here (and me) are advocating is to maybe pull the plug earlier on Vedral in a game where he is struggling and the game is out of hand. The OP said: "I'd like to see the coaches use Snyder more and add him to the mix"
Snyder's stats are better than 20 something yards :
Cole Snyder 2021:
Passing: 9/10, 63 yards, 1TD
Career:
Passing: 12/13, 100 yds, 1 TD
Not sure anyone said Snyder or Simon should start. That is all. Will give Vedral a lot of credit--he gained some yards on a few punishing runs. He certainly reads the defense very well.
You may remember that Chas Dodd was forced into action in 2010 in the Tulane game and did OK after Savage was injured, but then he took over the starting job.
Anyway, maybe we are just picking nits.
yeah, I was referring to TB and OSU.Didn’t he leave the Patriots on his own?
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