Collegiate Baseball ranks incoming class 18th...
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Im not real sure how much that matters. I think those first 5 classes or so are a level above. After that, Im not sure how much difference there is. If we were 7th in the country but 6 SEC teams were ahead of us, I'd be pumped.We are 18th. That's a nice step up from what led to this debacle. Nice class, just no pitching.
that was lower than I thought it would be.
It is what it is, and it's still better than what we were getting.
What's odd to me and why I thought it would be better was because we had five guys that got drafted that made it to school, whereas last year we only had two guys in the higher rated class.
Of course, that's variable to what everyone else brings in to.
For the record, I was expecting at least top 15 so that everyone knows what I was expecting. I'm still pleased with the class overall, and I do concur that I would have liked to have seen us get some more pitching in the last class. Other than that, we filled pretty much every need at the other positions, and despite the lack of pitching, we didn't totally neglect it either- Daryl Norris and Taylor Stark should be able to help us out as both were drafted by MLB as pitchers. What remains to be seen is how soon can they help us and if Norris is a starter or a relief pitcher. Also, if you are in the Harrison Central area, please hit whatever football coach that hurt Wes Rea's arm in the head with a blunt object for me. Wes will help us out at first base, but we could really use him in the bullpen to. That coach is lucky that the Rea family doesn't sue him for child abuse.
It is what it is, and it's still better than what we were getting.
What's odd to me and why I thought it would be better was because we had five guys that got drafted that made it to school, whereas last year we only had two guys in the higher rated class.
Of course, that's variable to what everyone else brings in to.
For the record, I was expecting at least top 15 so that everyone knows what I was expecting. I'm still pleased with the class overall, and I do concur that I would have liked to have seen us get some more pitching in the last class. Other than that, we filled pretty much every need at the other positions, and despite the lack of pitching, we didn't totally neglect it either- Daryl Norris and Taylor Stark should be able to help us out as both were drafted by MLB as pitchers. What remains to be seen is how soon can they help us and if Norris is a starter or a relief pitcher. Also, if you are in the Harrison Central area, please hit whatever football coach that hurt Wes Rea's arm in the head with a blunt object for me. Wes will help us out at first base, but we could really use him in the bullpen to. That coach is lucky that the Rea family doesn't sue him for child abuse.
under Cohen? Is he using that famous 10 year rebuilding plan in baseball that Croom supposedly was working under in football? Seriously, I really like Cohen but he needs to start showing improvement SOON!
I like Cohen as much as anybody, but when the rubber meets the road, he's got to win. I've said it before about other coaches, and the same holds true about Cohen as well, there is no excuse for a coach to have three straight losing seasons.
I can buy a losing season in year one. That's not that unusual. Also, I can even tolerate a losing season in year two. Augie Garrido had that happen to him at TEXAS and that was after he had a winning season in year one.
These are his players, he is going to have an easier schedule. To me, while we may not be a reincarnation of the 85 team, and may not be a very good team, but a winning season is still not unreasonable to expect in year three.
If we have a losing season, MSU needs to either make a coaching change or at the very least bring in some new assistants.
I can buy a losing season in year one. That's not that unusual. Also, I can even tolerate a losing season in year two. Augie Garrido had that happen to him at TEXAS and that was after he had a winning season in year one.
These are his players, he is going to have an easier schedule. To me, while we may not be a reincarnation of the 85 team, and may not be a very good team, but a winning season is still not unreasonable to expect in year three.
If we have a losing season, MSU needs to either make a coaching change or at the very least bring in some new assistants.
Or we need to be looking for a new coach. I know Polk left our program in shambles, but Cohen will be playing with 2 of HIS recruiting classes this spring in a sport that if a player is halfway worth a **** he's gone after 3 years. He doesn't have to make the NCAA tournament, but he'd goddamn better show some improvement. From what I've seen of his first 2 years, we may as well have kept Polk.
patdog said:
we did keep Polk's players.
But to further your point, as it was pointed out in another thread, there are only seven players as of now with any ties whatsoever to Polk. We need to see improvement starting now.
We should have seen far, far more improvement last year than we saw. From what I've seen of Cohen, I don't have any reason to believe that he will ever put our baseball program back at the level we once had it. Maybe Polk wasn't as big a nut job as he appeared.
Polk was an even bigger nutjob than he appeared (at least until his tiradeafter we hired Cohen). I doubt we would have won more than 15 games last year if he'd stayed. I have some doubts about Cohen, but I haven't given up onhim yet. But the time has come for him to either show some improvement orlet someone else get the job done.OrrDawg said:
This is turning into one of the biggest coaching busts we've seen in a while. It's worse than Croom. Nobody had any idea what to expect from Croom. But people expected Cohen to have a clue what he's doing. So far, not so much.
that has NO bearing on the damage that was done to every aspect of our baseball program during Polk's last stint as the HC. Time will tell whether we have the right man now but let there be no doubt that Polk needed to go and should have never been brought back by LT.
..about a recruiting class (a class they still rank in the top 20), Cohen is "worst than Croom" & "we are really going to suck this year."
Welcome to the well-reasoned, rational debate one is always apt to find on sixpackspeak.com.
Welcome to the well-reasoned, rational debate one is always apt to find on sixpackspeak.com.
after reading that article on how polk had refused to adapt to modern recruiting and how that was now all changed, I had baseball wool...
this thread is depressing to say the least.. I can not for the life of me begin to believe that we don't have the coach right now that will get us where we need to be..
cohen just simply HAS to be the guy... I still believe..
this thread is depressing to say the least.. I can not for the life of me begin to believe that we don't have the coach right now that will get us where we need to be..
cohen just simply HAS to be the guy... I still believe..
is he is a dual postion guy. He can play first base, and he is very strong with legit power, and is pretty good defensively at first. I saw him hit a home run off of Taylor Stark at Trustmark Park off of the back of the bullpen wall in a high school all-star game.
Here's the story I heard- and I've heard a couple- but Rea was being punished by a high school football coach for something- I don't know what- and as punishment, he had to run with a dumbbell held behind his head, and then he messed his shoulder up. What I do know is that he hurt his arm in a weight lifting/football related thing.
Rea didn't pitch last year except for one inning. His arm still had not healed, and so they did surgery on it this summer, and he is supposed to start a throwing program very soon- I believe Cohen said about a month- but he can not pitch this spring. He can play first base, and he can hit. He can throw, but he can not pitch yet. I don't know if he will ever pitch for us, to be honest.
Here's the story I heard- and I've heard a couple- but Rea was being punished by a high school football coach for something- I don't know what- and as punishment, he had to run with a dumbbell held behind his head, and then he messed his shoulder up. What I do know is that he hurt his arm in a weight lifting/football related thing.
Rea didn't pitch last year except for one inning. His arm still had not healed, and so they did surgery on it this summer, and he is supposed to start a throwing program very soon- I believe Cohen said about a month- but he can not pitch this spring. He can play first base, and he can hit. He can throw, but he can not pitch yet. I don't know if he will ever pitch for us, to be honest.
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Cohen has shown some semblance of recruiting capabilities, in comparison to the previous regime. So he should leave something in the cupboard for the the next guy, unlike what he had to deal with. Hope it doesn't come to that, but I am afraid that it will. Just don't know if it will be following this coming season or 2012. More than likely 2012.
11.2 scholies for 35 people != 85 scholies for 85 people. Feel free to tell me how Croom getting to sign 75 guys in the first 3 years is anywhere similar to having to limit your offers depending on who's coming back in the near future.
State82 said:
that our talent is better even at this point in time than it was when Cohen took over. Should we have to fire Cohen, we also won't have to deal with the myriad of attitude problems from players as well, among other things. Not to mention Polk going beserk complicating things.
That said, it would be preferable for Cohen to just win. Coaching changes, you never know what you are going to get. There is something to be said for stability. Of course, the winning is the bottom line, and we have to do what is best for our program. There is never a good excuse for having a long 10 year rebuilding project for really ANY baseball program in the country, much less MSU.
Like I've said several times, Cohen is at least trying to set himself up to win by watering down the schedule as well as bringing in talented players. Having a winning season in baseball at even crappy schools is not THAT hard to achieve. Having three straight losing seasons by one coach is unacceptable. Especially at a SEC school. Especially at MSU.
Should we have a third straight losing season under Cohen, I think you are probably right that he will still get one more year, which I would disagree with. However, I fully expect some coaches to be gone next year if that happens at the very least. Of course, you never know what the cigar boys will do- baseball is a little bit of a different animal at MSU.
the state scholarship programs in Georgia and Louisiana but the rest of the nation has to deal with 11.7 as well. And the rest of Div 1-A gets 85 scholarships for football so everyone is on the same page for those sports. As far as the first two years of results, is there really any difference between Cohen and Croom? I don't see any.
among others is that Croom actually did inherit talent and did nothing with it. We see that based on the NFL draft- Norwood, David Stewart, Dockery, etc.
Cohen inherited very little talent. We have had some guys drafted, but I doubt any will make it to MLB.
And as far as I know, at least Cohen hasn't called our fans blind yet.
Cohen inherited very little talent. We have had some guys drafted, but I doubt any will make it to MLB.
And as far as I know, at least Cohen hasn't called our fans blind yet.
Cohen doesn't spend his time in a 17ing golf cart.Not much, but as of right now, I don't think anybody can accuse Cohen of not caring enough to put in the required effort.Nor to my knowledge can they claim he'drather be stubborn than win.dawgstudent said:
Cohen's coaching pedigree is way beyond Croom's. He works his *** off. But he hasn't won - not even been really competitive.
And the difference between MSU football and baseball tradition wise is night and day.
And the difference between MSU football and baseball tradition wise is night and day.
dawgstudent said:
As bad as I hate to say it....no. I like Cohen alot and he is a really great guy but the results so far would entirely justify a firing if we don't at least finish over .500 this year. Fan apathy is setting in and we just can't have that.