Compare & contrast. Polk-Stans. To Mullen-Cohen

PETE2ALL

Redshirt
Dec 6, 2010
27
0
0
I think Stansbury coaches like Polk. Players coaches. Mullen and Cohens demands respect and effort or leave. Times have changed . Coach them hard are find a new career.
 

WPDawg

Redshirt
Mar 3, 2008
65
0
0
Polk knew baseball and how to coach it. Recruited well early before other SEC schools caught on to the baseball fever. Otherwise did not like to recruit and thought kids would show up because of Polk/MSU name. Eventually there were to many other choices and also hurt by scholarship changes.

Stansbury has been able to recruit consistently pretty decent talent. But he cant coach them up and not wise enough to bring in quality assistant coach who is good Xs and Os coach.

You dont have to be a hard *** to be a good coach. But you do have to know what you are talking about and how to teach it to 18-21 year olds.
 

Todd4State

Redshirt
Mar 3, 2008
17,411
1
0
First of all, Stansbury does not have a cult like following among some in our fanbase- at least not to the degree that Polk had.

The thing about Polk is he is a hall of fame coach. He is one of the top ten of all time. Stansbury- not so much. I don't think I have to expand on that. Polk had a much more successful career and impactful career at MSU and in his sport than Stansbury has.

Getting rid of Stansbury will be nothing like getting rid of Polk. He does have Bailey Howell in his corner, but Stricklin has the rest of the entire MSU fanbase in his.

Many people have forgotten, but when Polk was in his prime, he was a very good coach in terms of being much more aggressive- relative to the end of his career- and he was also at one time a great recruiter. You don't get a guy from Miami and named Rafael Palmeiro by hoping he shows up at your camp and falls in love with the place. In the 80's, Polk was cutting edge as far as baseball.

Stansbury to me has always been pretty much have a simple offense, and play good defense and rebound. He's no John Wooden. Just see how far you go with recruiting and what I said above.

Polk also turned us into a "what's wrong with the NCAA" case study and his priorities shifted over the years. He was simply not focused on MSU as much as he should have been, refused to change with the times of not only baseball, but society in general, hired a pitching coach that was in over his head and didn't know what he was doing and got most of our pitchers hurt and then the bottom fell out. Truth be told- McNickle ruined Polk as much as anyone. When we started to have our pitchers go down, and Polk refused to fire him when confronted by a couple of parents- it killed our recruiting as far as pitching goes. It almost ruined Butch in terms of the court of public opinion. Heck, next will be the first time since 2006 that we will have a fully functional pitching staff.

At least I feel like Rick has kept MSU in his focus the entire time no matter what. My biggest problem with Rick is the embarassment from the way his players act- namely Sidney/Bailey fighting and now signing a guard that has a prison record among other things. People at work know I am a MSU alum and when they ask me about what I think about the stuff that our basketball team does- it's embarassing to me. And yes, I know that players under Cohen, Polk and Dan have done things that are exactly angelic, but none of them have EVER had a player do something so bad that it makes national news.
 

PETE2ALL

Redshirt
Dec 6, 2010
27
0
0
I feel Coach Stansbury is a very good coach. However these young guys now days don't tend to respect Coaches the way I did. With that being said, my teams get the rath. Coach can do what ever he feel is correct but my guys better never never even look at me like they don't agree with my call. If we loose it my issue and problem. I really don't understand coaches that mke serious money not understandings this.
 

Todd4State

Redshirt
Mar 3, 2008
17,411
1
0
than the other two major sports in that the players are allowed to be disrespectful moreso than in the other sports in general.

Basketball has glorified the thug image. In football, you cuss the coach or are lazy- you're going to get chewed out. In baseball, you disrespect the coach or are lazy, you will get chewed out and you may not get to play again.

I'm speaking in general terms here- I know that there are people that act ridiculous in football and baseball as well.

That's why I'm not into basketball as much as the other two sports. The NBA in particular.
 

RougeDawg

Redshirt
Jul 12, 2010
1,474
0
0
His great recruiting in the early days consisted of asking Major League scouts who they intended on drafting in the upcoming draft. Polk would then go offer scholly's to these kids. A lot of these kids chose State over pro ball in the early days. Clark, Palmeiro, Thigpen, Etc. Hence the decline in his recruiting efforts over the years as scouts caught on to his tactics and stopped talking to him. I know a few scouts and they've all said the same thing about him. A lifelong family friend is a scout for Giants now, and was a Yankees scout for 20+ years and the scouts despised Polk. Makes you wonder why, late in his career, he seemed to only pluck players from a set group of high schools? Because his *** never went out and watched players. He went on hearsay.
 

esplanade91

Redshirt
Dec 9, 2010
5,656
0
0
RougeDawg said:
His great recruiting in the early days consisted of asking Major League scouts who they intended on drafting in the upcoming draft. Polk would then go offer scholly's to these kids. A lot of these kids chose State over pro ball in the early days. Clark, Palmeiro, Thigpen, Etc. Hence the decline in his recruiting efforts over the years as scouts caught on to his tactics and stopped talking to him. I know a few scouts and they've all said the same thing about him. A lifelong family friend is a scout for Giants now, and was a Yankees scout for 20+ years and the scouts despised Polk. Makes you wonder why, late in his career, he seemed to only pluck players from a set group of high schools? Because his *** never went out and watched players. <span style="font-weight: bold;">He went on hearsay.</span>
Cough, cough... Nick Ray.
 

maroonmania

Senior
Feb 23, 2008
11,053
700
113
its simply that the man is too insecure to put someone on his coaching staff that could actually help him improve the quality of our team's play on the court and that could supplement areas where Stans' coaching is lacking. Our staff was lacking even when Kirby was here, and he was the best of the bunch, as most are just assistant recruiters anyway. However, it was just the final straw to me that when Kirby left we replaced him with a guy coaching JUCO. I realize that part of the reason we hired that person was to seal the deal with a particular recruit, but at some point, if you are going to try to be a relative basketball program you have to have the quality of coaching to match wits with what other quality basketball programs have. I know people make fun about the Stan Jones situation quite a few years back but he probably was the best X and O asst Rick ever had and it was obvious Rick was ready to get rid of him as quickly as possible. I'm afraid Rick's insecurity with his staff and his ego in that area will end up being be his downfall.