Conference Expansion($$-related)

[engie]

Back when A&M and Mizzou first got on board, to mixed reviews around here, I theorized that it'd take us from about 17 mil/yr in tv money to 27-30 mil/yr in the first few years, with the ability to go higher, due to tv footprint, but had no way to actually prove such statements. Some were concerned that we'd actually make less money due to a 14-way split of the pie...

At any rate, it appears that they (may) be even more valuable to us than I thought...
http://outkickthecoverage...illion-a-year-to-sec.php

To show why this helps US more than it helps the top-end of our conference is simple(even though the money figures are the same). Their current athletics budget is ~ $100 mil/yr. Assuming a 13 mil increase, that gives them an additional 11-12% more money. Our current athletics budget is ~ $40 mil/yr. Assuming the same increase, that gives us an additional ~ 28-30% more money....

 

[engie]

Back when A&M and Mizzou first got on board, to mixed reviews around here, I theorized that it'd take us from about 17 mil/yr in tv money to 27-30 mil/yr in the first few years, with the ability to go higher, due to tv footprint, but had no way to actually prove such statements. Some were concerned that we'd actually make less money due to a 14-way split of the pie...

At any rate, it appears that they (may) be even more valuable to us than I thought...
http://outkickthecoverage...illion-a-year-to-sec.php

To show why this helps US more than it helps the top-end of our conference is simple(even though the money figures are the same). Their current athletics budget is ~ $100 mil/yr. Assuming a 13 mil increase, that gives them an additional 11-12% more money. Our current athletics budget is ~ $40 mil/yr. Assuming the same increase, that gives us an additional ~ 28-30% more money....

 

[tenureplan]

thanks

 

[patdog]

that the SEC wouldn't have added anybody unless it meant more money for everybody. I just skimmed the article, but I've thought since we added them that an SEC Network like the Big 10 Network was probably coming. I'm coming up with about $8M more per school, but that's still huge. It's a 20% raise for us, and that's on top of a big raise when the SEC signed the current deal.

 

[AssEndDawg]

Showing old games and call-in shows and a SEC specific type of SportsCenter that channel would be my default 'nothing is on" channel. They need to do this tomorrow.

 

[engie]

is the base line for a network, or just the money paid directly by the subscribers, assuming the cheapest it'll possibly be... That doesn't touch the all the auxillary revenue expected, such as advertising, etc on said network....

 

[shsdawg]

realistically available I think we got the best two for us. A&M is a no brainer. Missouri is certainly better than the other real option, West Virginia. TV market alone says that. If VA Tech or NC State had been availible then maybe them. I think that if the SEC ever goes to 16 those two would have to be #1 on the hit list. I agree that there are others who are more attractive for football on the field, esp over NC State. But this is about money and always has been. Maryland would'nt be a bad option either.

 

[engie]

There is nothing in the world they will be able to do to stop it. We will take whichever two teams we want from them. The bs about UNC/Duke being inseparable is exactly that, BS. People thought the same thing about Texas/A&M as recently as 3-4 years ago. In the current tv contracts, they make 13 mil to our 17 mil. Surely, they will be renegotiating this with the additions of Pitt/Syracuse, to try to stay competitive with us moneywise, IF they were smart enough to design "look-ins". However, with those teams stuck in the Big East until the 2014 season, we have a 2 year head-start on them. By adding two top acc programs in the correct markets, they can come to the SEC and make 40mil/yr vs 13mil/yr in the current ACC. Even after they renegotiate, they'll be lucky to get $30 mil/team. Their $20mil conference buyout is not NEARLY enough to prevent us from taking any team we want from their conference when the time comes....

 

[patdog]

Nobody in the ACC is going anywhere. And you can bet the farm that they were smart enough to design "look-ins" to their TV contract.</p>

 

[thatsbaseball]

while contributing ~5% of the income based on number of cable and satellite households. Nice

 

[engie]

What dollar figure do they top out at? It won't even remotely touch ours, 14 teams vs 14 teams. When this first round of smoke clears, we will make AT LEAST $7 mil/school more than they will, up from the $3 mil/yr more now.

There is a reason that they bumped their buyout to $20 mil...because they KNOW they are in danger of being raided by us, not the other way around. Care to guess what the SEC buyout is?

 

[patdog]

The ACC schools that would leave for the SEC are the ones the SEC wouldn't take. If we could raid them that easily, why don't you see a North Carolina in the SEC today? Answer is, it's not anywhere near that easy. And UNC/Duke is nothing like Texas A&M/Texas. No comparison at all. You do realize they just brought in New York state and Pennsylvania into their market and they're looking to add UConn and one other. Plus they're about to kick the Big East conference tournament out of Madison Square Garden. And yes, I know the SEC buyout is $0.

 

[shsdawg]

the ACC is a really strong league now. The basketball is going to be out of sight. It won't be easy to get anyonew out of there that we would take. I think Clemson would jump in a heartbeat. Florida State, Va Tech and NC State might. The rest, not much chance other than maybe Maryland.

 

[engie]

won't even be a blip on the radar toward expansion. It plays almost NO role.

If the ACC is strong right now, why would they up the buyout? Why not leave it where it is or better yet remove it? They expanded to 14 and upped the buyout because they fear losing at least two teams and being back at 12 in the near future. More teams ensures the conference survival long-term.

I'll stick by my prediction that 2 teams from the ACC will be in the SEC before the 2015 football season, one of which will be Virginia Tech and the other will be a representative from the state of North Carolina.

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

The ACC schools that would leave for the SEC are the ones the SEC wouldn't take. If we could raid them that easily, why don't you see a North Carolina in the SEC today? Answer is, it's not anywhere near that easy. And UNC/Duke is nothing like Texas A&M/Texas. No comparison at all. You do realize they just brought in New York state and Pennsylvania into their market and they're looking to add UConn and one other. Plus they're about to kick the Big East conference tournament out of Madison Square Garden. And yes, I know the SEC buyout is $0.

The ACC just completed a huge 12 year deal with ESPN which willgrow whenPitt and Syracuse come on board. They also raised their exit fee to $20MM.

And engie thinks its a slam dunk that "we" get whomever we want. Gotta love the SEC homers.

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

won't even be a blip on the radar toward expansion. It plays almost NO role.

If the ACC is strong right now, why would they up the buyout? Why not leave it where it is or better yet remove it? They expanded to 14 and upped the buyout because they fear losing at least two teams and being back at 12 in the near future. More teams ensures the conference survival long-term.

I'll stick by my prediction that 2 teams from the ACC will be in the SEC before the 2015 football season, one of which will be Virginia Tech and the other will be a representative from the state of North Carolina.

You clearly don't know anything about the political hoops Va Tech had to jump through to get into the SEC.

And basketball ALWAYS plays a role when the ACC is involved.

 

[engie]

The ACC schools that would leave for the SEC are the ones the SEC wouldn't take. If we could raid them that easily, why don't you see a North Carolina in the SEC today? Answer is, it's not anywhere near that easy. And UNC/Duke is nothing like Texas A&M/Texas. No comparison at all. You do realize they just brought in New York state and Pennsylvania into their market and they're looking to add UConn and one other. Plus they're about to kick the Big East conference tournament out of Madison Square Garden. And yes, I know the SEC buyout is $0.

The ACC just completed a huge 12 year deal with ESPN which willgrow whenPitt and Syracuse come on board. They also raised their exit fee to $20MM.

And engie thinks its a slam dunk that "we" get whomever we want. Gotta love the SEC homers.

"Homer?" I've given you nothing but hard numbers. Their "HUGE" new deal is worth $1.86 billion over 12 years, but by all means, that is absolutely comparable to our $3 billion over 15 years.

When VaTech played political roulette to get into the ACC, their share of the entire tv deal was worth $5.5 mil/year. It went up to $13mil/yr last year, with the ability to go to ~ 25 mil/yr(being generous) with Pitt/Syracuse playing their first games in 2014. You can not even BEGIN to compare that to the ~ $35+mil/yr they could potentially earn in the SEC, starting in the 2013 season, which would allow them to make $2mil/yr more than they would in the ACC AFTER paying the entire sum of their buyout, before continuing to make ~ $7-10 million/yr more from then on.

I'm by no means questioning the strength of the ACC as a basketball or baseball conference. They are absolutely top-notch, always have been. I question their financial power, and I question the fiscal responsibility of those that would accept ~ $10mil/yr less than they could make elsewhere...

 

[oem]

The ACC schools that would leave for the SEC are the ones the SEC wouldn't take. If we could raid them that easily, why don't you see a North Carolina in the SEC today? Answer is, it's not anywhere near that easy. And UNC/Duke is nothing like Texas A&M/Texas. No comparison at all. You do realize they just brought in New York state and Pennsylvania into their market and they're looking to add UConn and one other. Plus they're about to kick the Big East conference tournament out of Madison Square Garden. And yes, I know the SEC buyout is $0.

The ACC just completed a huge 12 year deal with ESPN which willgrow whenPitt and Syracuse come on board. They also raised their exit fee to $20MM.

And engie thinks its a slam dunk that "we" get whomever we want. Gotta love the SEC homers.

"Homer?" I've given you nothing but hard numbers. Their "HUGE" new deal is worth $1.86 billion over 12 years, but by all means, that is absolutely comparable to our $3 billion over 15 years.

When VaTech played political roulette to get into the ACC, their share of the entire tv deal was worth $5.5 mil/year. It went up to $13mil/yr last year, with the ability to go to ~ 25 mil/yr(being generous) with Pitt/Syracuse playing their first games in 2014. You can not even BEGIN to compare that to the ~ $35+mil/yr they could potentially earn in the SEC, starting in the 2013 season, which would allow them to make $2mil/yr more than they would in the ACC AFTER paying the entire sum of their buyout, before continuing to make ~ $7-10 million/yr more from then on.

I'm by no means questioning the strength of the ACC as a basketball or baseball conference. They are absolutely top-notch, always have been. I question their financial power, and I question the fiscal responsibility of those that would accept ~ $10mil/yr less than they could make elsewhere...

I'm pretty sure that whatever deal Va Tech could cut with the SEC would be not be worth the risk of the political damage such a move could cost them in Richmond. <div>
</div><div>Conference $$$$ are good. Tax $$$$ are better.</div>

 

[patdog]

If you think basketball doesn't matter to the ACC teams, you're just showing that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. It's a hell of a lot more than a blip to them, I can tell you that. Their current contract isn't far behind the SEC at $13M per team vs. $17M. And they just added Syracuse and Pitt, so they've actually added MORE TV households to their footprint than the SEC has. Nobody in the ACC has any interest in the SEC, or any other conference, at all.

 

[Big3Lurker]

while contributing ~5% of the income based on number of cable and satellite households. Nice

How long will it last?

 

[BehrDawg]

But our budget will continue to go up. Especially after the stadium expansion and having to continually raising our coaches salaries, etc.

 

[engie]

Apparently the $$ and Clay Travis for the most part agree with me...

http://outkickthecoverage...ur-divisions-of-four.php

 

[patdog]

But that's all it is. A fantasy. We're going to stay at 14 with a 6-1-1 schedule rotation for the foreseeable future.

 

[oem]

Neither you or Clay Travis get a vote.