Congrats Chicken Sword,SEC Freshmens of the Week...
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I've said that before. They both have some long, big *** arms.Chicken is a baller. Congrats to him. Does anyone else ever see this resemblance?
If Sword can elevate his game I think he could be an all-time great here.
Sword is shooting 20% from 3, 55% from the free-throw line and has a negative assist to turnover ratio. Tyson Cunningham has more offensive rebounds than Sword and destroys him in all those categories. Think about that for a second before you deem him the next Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade. Craig Sword has 69 assists and 119 turnovers. Please just stop with the unwarranted praise of statistically the worst shooter and worst assist/turnover ratio of any player I've ever seen at any school. Find me one worse than 20% 3's, 55% free throws and a worse negative assist to turnover ratio. Please find me just one player in the history of basketball with worse numbers than that that plays the same minutes as Sword. Just one player, please. I don't hate Sword but seriously wtf are you guys watching?
Who has deemed him the next Kobe or Wade?
It was posted that IF he can improve his outside shooting, you know that stat which you harp on so much, then he could be really dangerous.
We get it- he has areas to improve on.
Even though you are a broken record, you seem to be at least mildly competent when it comes to basketball. Honestly, consider that a compliment since being even mildly competent makes you better than most here.
Since you are mildly competent, i will ask you- would you rather have Sword or Cunningham out there playing? Say you have 4 players on the floor and need to put a 5th in. Who will you send in?
If you say Cunningham, you will lose the title of mild competence and be downgraded to an outright moron.
Basic statistics tell maybe 15% of the story. If you really are mildly competent, you already understand this.
You point to Cunningham having a better 3pt%, but ignore his almost total reluctance to shoot even when wide open. You point to Cunningham having a better FT%, but ignore that he has been to the line a whopping 11 times this entire season. Thats basically 1 FT every 3 games. What the 17 good does his FT% do us when he doesnt even get to the line more than once every week and a half?!?
Yep, Cunningham has more offensive rebounds than Sword. Super. Let me know when guards are judged by how many offensive rebounds they grab.
Why do you ignore the most basic offensive stat- FG%? Is it because Sword is at 40% and Cunningham is at 37%?
I hear there is an entire other side of the game called defense. How do they compare on D? Basic stat time- steals- who has more per game or even minute? Thats actually something which guards should be compared on, unlike offensive boards.
Sword hit 46% of his 2s. Thats fine with me.
55% of his FT shots being made is lower than i would like. i hope he focuses on his shot during the spring and summer and improves.
As for his A/TO ratio...yep, thats called a player playing out of position and being tasked with trying to do more than he is ready to do.
Your ****** comp of Sword to Cunningham needs to stop. You dont prove anything, other than you are able to highlight simple stats, even if they are meaningless to the players you are discussing(o rebounds? really?).
If Cunningham were responsible for handling the ball as much as Sword, creating as much offense as Sword, and defending at the level Sword defends, it would be a bloodbath out there.
We all get that Sword has holes in his game. He wasnt an elite recruit, he wasnt expected to come in and dominate college basketball, yet by default he was tasked with handling the majority of a major conference team's offense from the start.
This is a guy that usually would get 15min and on a decent team, his limitations could be masked by those around him.
We also all get that though you dont hate Sword, you have no love for him. Really, we get it.
It was posted that IF he can improve his outside shooting, you know that stat which you harp on so much, then he could be really dangerous.
We get it- he has areas to improve on.
Even though you are a broken record, you seem to be at least mildly competent when it comes to basketball. Honestly, consider that a compliment since being even mildly competent makes you better than most here.
Since you are mildly competent, i will ask you- would you rather have Sword or Cunningham out there playing? Say you have 4 players on the floor and need to put a 5th in. Who will you send in?
If you say Cunningham, you will lose the title of mild competence and be downgraded to an outright moron.
Basic statistics tell maybe 15% of the story. If you really are mildly competent, you already understand this.
You point to Cunningham having a better 3pt%, but ignore his almost total reluctance to shoot even when wide open. You point to Cunningham having a better FT%, but ignore that he has been to the line a whopping 11 times this entire season. Thats basically 1 FT every 3 games. What the 17 good does his FT% do us when he doesnt even get to the line more than once every week and a half?!?
Yep, Cunningham has more offensive rebounds than Sword. Super. Let me know when guards are judged by how many offensive rebounds they grab.
Why do you ignore the most basic offensive stat- FG%? Is it because Sword is at 40% and Cunningham is at 37%?
I hear there is an entire other side of the game called defense. How do they compare on D? Basic stat time- steals- who has more per game or even minute? Thats actually something which guards should be compared on, unlike offensive boards.
Sword hit 46% of his 2s. Thats fine with me.
55% of his FT shots being made is lower than i would like. i hope he focuses on his shot during the spring and summer and improves.
As for his A/TO ratio...yep, thats called a player playing out of position and being tasked with trying to do more than he is ready to do.
Your ****** comp of Sword to Cunningham needs to stop. You dont prove anything, other than you are able to highlight simple stats, even if they are meaningless to the players you are discussing(o rebounds? really?).
If Cunningham were responsible for handling the ball as much as Sword, creating as much offense as Sword, and defending at the level Sword defends, it would be a bloodbath out there.
We all get that Sword has holes in his game. He wasnt an elite recruit, he wasnt expected to come in and dominate college basketball, yet by default he was tasked with handling the majority of a major conference team's offense from the start.
This is a guy that usually would get 15min and on a decent team, his limitations could be masked by those around him.
We also all get that though you dont hate Sword, you have no love for him. Really, we get it.
I just want everyone to call a spade a spade and quit with the man crushing of Craig Sword. He has an absolutely 17ing horrendous assist/turnover margin and 3 point %. Stop placing him above the other players. How can you discount offensive rebounds when Sword is missing layups left and right leaving him right underneath the basket yet Cunningham, a player that is asked to roam the 3 point line, has more of them? I like Swords first step and ability to drive and get to the line but I'm very disappointed in his inability to dump off a simple pass to Ware or Johnson or Borchert underneath which would give him a **** ton more assists and for a guard that gets to the line so much how on earth can he have such horrible shooting mechanics? I'll stop hating on Sword when he can learn how to get assists and fix his shooting mechanics. You guys threw up the pics of Kobe well someone needs to get video of Kobe shooting free throws and get Sword to watch it over and over and over and try to mimic it. Kobe shooting is a joy to watch. Sword shooting is painful to watch. I am always hardest on the players with the most potential.
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Um...the pic of Kobe wasnt to compare their games, it was to compare their resemlance.
Its not that their games look similar, its that the two of them literally look simialr.
Its not that their games look similar, its that the two of them literally look simialr.
Duh I got that part and I took it a step further and said Sword could actually really benefit as a player by looking exactly like Kobe when shooting a basketball. The mimic game. Can you shoot a free throw just like Kobe Bryant, Craig Sword? How about you shoot 10,000 of them this off-season and try to mimic his mechanics and mannerisms when he shoots.
I appreciate the passion, but I think you're being waaaay over critical of a freshman. Sword was not a Rodney Hood type of prospect. Nobody expected him to have to come in and be "the guy" from day one...but our 17ed up situation kept him from getting that developmental year to start off with. Now he will be forced to develop on the fly, and will have to put in major work during the off season. I think he can correct the things your talking about, but bashing his stats as a true freshman that was one of the only players that could get his own shot, is a little over the top. If he comes out the same exact player next year, fire away...but you haven't given him any time to make those changes your talking about.
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Did you not see the two replies to your pic with the escalating man crushing of the great Craig Sword? I simply stepped in before he got inducted into the hall of fame by the posters on here and we had to listen to his Michael Jordan acceptance speech. Last year it was the all-time greatest ever Rodney Hood and this year it's Craig Sword. Whose getting the title next year? It'll be IJ Ready I'm sure.
Your and idiot..
Sword was forced to play point guard this year b/c we didn't have anyone else to play there, he is not a point guard.
He will not be playing point guard next year. He is a freshman and will turn out okay, once he plays in the 2 or 3.
Sword was forced to play point guard this year b/c we didn't have anyone else to play there, he is not a point guard.
He will not be playing point guard next year. He is a freshman and will turn out okay, once he plays in the 2 or 3.
I get annoyed with the looooooooveeeeeeee that posters find in players that haven't earned it. It seems to happen with one player every year in almost every sport. Chill the 17 out with the man crush on Craig Sword everyone please. It's like the guy in recruiting that everyone blows their wad over every year but he's really not that great. Like Devonta Pollard.
I just read this whole thread, and saw nobody acting like Sword was a hall of famer. A few said "if he elevates his game, he has the tools" to be great...but I think you're exaggerating.
You have some kind of serious beef with Sword man, why? Did you really expect him to be better than he was this year? He has some form issues, sure, but he is not the slouch you are making him out to be...especially as a freshman.
I have no beef with Sword other than his turnovers, 20% 3's and bad mechanics. And yes I expected Sword and Thomas to be better than they are. I actually had higher expectations of Fred than Craig before the season started. I'm not waiting to get on Sword. He can fix his holes and actually be great but that ain't happening if everyone calls him great now and walks on egg shells with him. Him and Thomas need to put in a lot of work this offseason shooting the ball and Ware and Johnson need to be in the gym like some roid freaks.
Agreed. But nobody is calling him great. Just saying if he improves he can be great. In other words, the praise has been far less exaggerated than your criticism has. Not that I really care, and I hope you don't think I'm trying to argue bc it's really not a big deal. Just pointing out my observations.
Did you guys notice how motivated Ray and the players were to not be labeled the worst SEC team ever? He tweeted about it right after the game and he, Sword and Borchert mentioned it in the post game press conference. If criticism is what they need to fuel their fires than so be it. Telling someone they are great at the present state leads to a relaxation effect. It's usually not a healthy fire that makes an athlete superior. Greatness doesn't come easy and it's not for the faint of heart. Therefore when I see greatness potential I will add those logs that that athlete so desperately needs to push himself to that level.
Craig Sword has potential greatness in him. I see it, you see it, we all see it. Now are we going to let the fat Sidney get away with not bringing it out again? Not me. I was loud on Sidney. Now I'm being even more loud on Sword. His amazing first step and ability to drive the ball does him jack **** when his shooting mechanics look worse than a 6th grade girl and he turns the ball over twice as much as he gets assists. How's that for motivation? Fix your janked up shooting mechanics Sword. You've got 8 months. Get it crackin.
Craig Sword has potential greatness in him. I see it, you see it, we all see it. Now are we going to let the fat Sidney get away with not bringing it out again? Not me. I was loud on Sidney. Now I'm being even more loud on Sword. His amazing first step and ability to drive the ball does him jack **** when his shooting mechanics look worse than a 6th grade girl and he turns the ball over twice as much as he gets assists. How's that for motivation? Fix your janked up shooting mechanics Sword. You've got 8 months. Get it crackin.
Again, who said he was "great"? You mention these "people" but I can't find them. Plus I doubt Sword gets his motivation from SPS, but who knows.....this board has done bigger.
Pay attention cause it's coming. You'll see it. He'll get first team All-SEC freshman. He should let someone pick up his trophy for him cause he's too busy watching great shooters shoot the ball and he's in the gym putting up a thousand shots a day trying to copy their mechanics.
For the love of God, please just quit posting about basketball
we get it. you and your minimal amount basketball knowledge are not happy about basketball. no one gives a **** what you think. there is no need to bait every basketball thread into a 3 pager just because you don't know what you are talking about.
we get it. you and your minimal amount basketball knowledge are not happy about basketball. no one gives a **** what you think. there is no need to bait every basketball thread into a 3 pager just because you don't know what you are talking about.
No you just want to troll and continue to make yourself look like an idiot. It's obvious he has some things to work on but for a true FR who should be playing about 12 min per game instead of having to be a key player while playing out of position he done a pretty damn good job.
You use simple statistics to show Cunningham is better than him while ignoring glaringly obvious reasons behind some of those stats. You continually tear his down as a player and rip on his shot, free throw shooting, and ability(or lack of) to finish and/or dump it off in the lane. You continually harp on his flying elbow. You have continually said you expected more of him, even though he wasnt an elite recruit and was never projected to be an impact player at the SEC level as a freshman. Your continual complaining about his A/TO ratio, while accurate, has been beaten to death.
You dont have to call someone terrible for everyone around you to draw the conclusion that you think they are terrible.
I'm not calling him terrible because he is not terrible. He plays very hard and he doesn't complain. He has tremendous potential. I complain because I don't want him to settle. He just got SEC 1st team freshman. He doesn't deserve it and it will only hurt his development if he thinks he does deserve it. Find me just one single player in the history of the SEC to shoot 20% 3's, 55% ft, and have almost twice as many turnovers as assists that got named ALL SEC. Is that really fair that he gets that award when there's been hundreds better than him that got nothing? What exactly did Sword do well that got him this award? Are they throwing out pity awards now because Ray had a depleted squad and they feel bad for him? Why do they love Sword and not Thomas? Thomas worked just as hard and didn't complain once either.
Dude, come on. You're being critical of an 18 year old for jacking up 3's every second because we're playing down. Does he have terrible statistics? Yeah. But how much of a story does that actually tell?
We have one big man who really should be at the PF position and he's playing C. Other than that we have zero rebounders, so we shoot and run down the court before it even hits the basket. There's where your bad rebounding figures come from, #1. When comparing them to Tyson, he plays the 3 and 4 for us. Don't believe me? Read Ray's comments about how we suck and play a 6-2 guard at the 3 and 4. He's in a position to get the ball more so than Sword who plays a lot of the 1.......... Which leads me to my next point.
His assist/turnover ratio would be the worst all-time.... If he were actually a PG. He's not, but unfortunately he plays it for us about half the game.
Is he "Kobe"? No. He looks like him physically, which is the point of that post.
But get off his dick. Everything considered he's a very good SG for us. Do you think with a full roster he'd dish the ball out 188 times? More often than not he'll be on the other side of the assists next year, and then we can talk about how Davis or Ready are the worst and how Stans would have had better players.
I'm tired of people who watched a grand total of 10 minutes of MSU basketball this year acting like they have some insight to our players. His stats don't tell the whole story, which is why he was named part of the All-SEC freshmen team by media members who have those same statistics in front of them and have seen most if not all MSU games and still chose him.
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I know you dont actually think Thomas should get it, but ill attempt to explain the difference anyways.
Sword has a higher FG%. They are basically the same player, expect for that. 23% from deep or 20% from deep is no difference. 3.5rpg or 2.9 rpg is no difference. Thomas turns it over less, but handles it less. Sword has more assists, but handles it more. Sword scores 1ppg more.
Yep, pretty damn identical, save a slight difference in overall shooting %.
Its 9 freshmen that make the team. I am just not sure who else to pick besides him. I get that he cant shoot well. I also get that you refuse to acknowledge there is an entire other side of the game besides just offense.
Sword has a higher FG%. They are basically the same player, expect for that. 23% from deep or 20% from deep is no difference. 3.5rpg or 2.9 rpg is no difference. Thomas turns it over less, but handles it less. Sword has more assists, but handles it more. Sword scores 1ppg more.
Yep, pretty damn identical, save a slight difference in overall shooting %.
Its 9 freshmen that make the team. I am just not sure who else to pick besides him. I get that he cant shoot well. I also get that you refuse to acknowledge there is an entire other side of the game besides just offense.
Shaq his freshman and Jr years at LSU..
0% from 3
55% from the FT line
93 TO's to 61 assists (fr)
103 TO's to 46 assist (jr)
He won the Rupp Trophy as a Jr too.
0% from 3
55% from the FT line
93 TO's to 61 assists (fr)
103 TO's to 46 assist (jr)
He won the Rupp Trophy as a Jr too.