For your 5th place finish in the West in a rebuilding SEC year. Oh, your 3rd worst record in the SEC is extremely impressive too. You are such a good coach and great recruiter. You have clearly passed Rick Stanbury.
Clearly.
Clearly.
Congratulations Andy Kennedy!
- Thread starter BriantheDawg
- Start date
For your 5th place finish in the West in a rebuilding SEC year. Oh, your 3rd worst record in the SEC is extremely impressive too. You are such a good coach and great recruiter. You have clearly passed Rick Stanbury.
Clearly.
Clearly.
BriantheDawg said:
You're right. Our finish this season was all coaching. Everyone was thinking we'd win the West, maybe even the SEC outright coming into SEC play. Man, we underachieved big time. Fire that coach.
Take Barry Stewart, Ravern Johnson, and Jarvis Varnado off your team for all of SEC play, and tell me how many games you'd have won.
he should be considered for COY because of what he's done with your team with all the injuries, blah blah blah, and that y'all were now the bball school in MS. So which is it? And Bruiser, this was not a shot at you or another of the somewhat level-headed rebs that post here. It's for Thick, KB34, and all the other jackasses who think your racist coach is so much better than what we have in Stans.
I said after Warren went down that the season was no longer about wins and losses. It was about developing talent for next year, and we definitely did that. Any wins we got (7 in the SEC) were gravy.
Holloway developed into a double-double machine. Malcolm White actually learned how to play at an SEC level after looking like a clumsy idiot most of the OOC season. Terrico White was one of the leading scorers in the SEC during SEC play. So, I'm definitely seeing the close to our season as a positive. We developed quite a few players who will be ready to contribute next year when we're back to full strength. That was the goal, and I think we exceeded it in my eyes.
And of course, in the win column, I was one of the most optimistic Rebel fans saying that I thought we'd go 5-11 somehow. We bested that by two wins, so we exceeded those expectations as well.
Holloway developed into a double-double machine. Malcolm White actually learned how to play at an SEC level after looking like a clumsy idiot most of the OOC season. Terrico White was one of the leading scorers in the SEC during SEC play. So, I'm definitely seeing the close to our season as a positive. We developed quite a few players who will be ready to contribute next year when we're back to full strength. That was the goal, and I think we exceeded it in my eyes.
And of course, in the win column, I was one of the most optimistic Rebel fans saying that I thought we'd go 5-11 somehow. We bested that by two wins, so we exceeded those expectations as well.
BriantheDawg said:
I've seen some of our fans say the COY ********, and I'll agree with you on that. It's ********. Kennedy has done a good job keeping the team together and getting them to actually win some games, but it's not deserving of coach of the year. If we were 9-7 or 10-6 and sitting on the NCAA bubble despite the injuries, then yes, he'd definitely deserve it. But at 7-9, it's a quality job of keeping things together, but not COY worthy. Those kool-aid filled COY type comments come from fans of ours that basically ignore anything that goes on outside of Oxford.
And for that matter, I don't see why so many people here are upset with Stans all the time. As I've said, I think he does a pretty good job of putting a quality team out there every year regardless of what happens. He isn't an elite coach, and he rarely has elite level teams, but he's always got you in the mix. The big knock on him (like Bianco for us) is lack of post-season success. Other than that, I don't see why so many people would be against what he's done.
BriantheDawg said:
Kennedy pulled off a pretty amazing accomplishment this year despite the fifth place West finish. After losing three players to injury, including two believed to be is best players, few expected the Rebs to win an SEC game. The fact that they won seven proves that he is a very fine coach--and recruiter. He has found and signed players that were not heavily recruited but who will be first tier SEC talent--Terrico White, Malcolm White, Terrance Henry, Murphy Holloway, et al. You don't give him any credit whereas he is deserving of alot.
Had the roles been reversed though, the 'young' and 'too many injuries' excuse just wouldn't fly with some of the dumbfukcs here. Rick Stansbury would be the worst coach in the SEC and he should have been fired yesterday. Period!
the NBA draft and bleeding of the ******, he somehow doesn't get a pass? You can't have it both ways.
but he definitely has more talent then we do. Recruiting is part of coaching, either him or his staff is getting it done. RS and co. have only SS (bad hip) on the books for next year. Who is going to bring in, another BJ or maybe RB? Guys who really get after you "quality" 5 minutes per game. I love how our basketball program has flourished under RS, but it has reached it's potential with Stans and now it's time to expect more then just the West Division crown. Who knows maybe it come next year, but you yourself have to admit that the program has gotten pretty predictable over the past several years.
Our NBA draftee is now playing in Italy. He clearly could have come back. Hansbrough's ****** was losing about a pint a day, so there was no hope for her. So yes, we lost our 3 BEST PLAYERS, were supposed to be in a rebuilding year, developing our young talent. Yet, we still managed to go 9-7 and win 19 games. I would say your injuries were unfortunate, but yes, our situations were still somewhat comparable.
almost every single year, I'm a happy camper. We just had another coach in football whose seasons were pretty predictable. I'll take Stans' predictability every day of the week and twice on Sunday than that other kind of predictability.
BriantheDawg said:
That's much different. For one, you know when players are going to graduate, so you have the opportunity to recruit replacements for them. And with a player like Gordon, you had to know that it was a possibility he'd leave a year early, leaving you a chance to replace him through recruiting.
If you lose players to injury that you were planning on being a part of your season, that's much different.
For the record, I think Stans did a pretty good job this year. His problem is that his SEC schedule was back loaded with the tough games, so the losses came at the end of the year instead of early in SEC play. You were never a team that was a true contender in the SEC West, but a lot of your fans got that idea early in the year because you built up a record against the weaker half of your schedule. In reality, you were probably a 7-9, maybe 8-8 team, that played or was coached to a 9-7 team.
then you better be going to the big dance and getting some results. Not winning 20 and hoping, wishing, or having a shot to get in the tourney. That's what Coach34 has been saying all along. Out of those 20 wins, how many are against quality competition, under RS not many. But maybe we will have shot next year to make it. By the way, the Croom hire was a dumb hire, and was done by the worst AD in the history of this school. Please don't compare GB and Keenum to the previous regime. Difference is that want to win, and they will make the effort necessary to compile a search to get the right coach.
players last year was expected and known by the RS and company. That came from one of the assistants. If you are going to be RS's personal defender then at least know your facts. They knew the Jmoney was not coming back, of course Rhodes was a sr., and they knew of the issues with Hans. Damn, stop taking everything so personal, but I bet you were a Rick's Rowdy weren't you?
The point is, we lost our 3 best players. 2 of them should/could still be here. There's just a double standard for some of you people. Andy Kennedy has NEVER had a winning SEC record, yet he's clearly the better coach and better recruiter. Riiiight. He may be an upgrade from what OM has been used to in the recent past (which isn't saying a whole lot), but to make him out to be this great and wonderful coach that has clearly passed Stans, is just complete crap. Your hatred for him is obviously getting in the way of the FACTS.
I'll ask you the same question I always ask KB34 - Name me a coach that will be a DEFINITE UPGRADE than what we currently have in Stansbury that would no doubt leave his current job to take Ours. Just one, that's all. And don't go giving me names of mid-major coaches who 'may' do well in the SEC. If we're going to replace our all-time winningest coach who averages 20 wins a season and a Tourney trip one of every other year, I want a DEFINITE UPGRADE.
I'll ask you the same question I always ask KB34 - Name me a coach that will be a DEFINITE UPGRADE than what we currently have in Stansbury that would no doubt leave his current job to take Ours. Just one, that's all. And don't go giving me names of mid-major coaches who 'may' do well in the SEC. If we're going to replace our all-time winningest coach who averages 20 wins a season and a Tourney trip one of every other year, I want a DEFINITE UPGRADE.
I was going to ask you what your thoughts on that situation were. If he doesn't make the Tourney next year, he will be 0 for 4, 1 worse than what Stans has done should we not make it next season either. Personally, I wouldn't get rid of AK next year, just like I wouldn't get rid of Stans if either of us don't make it. Unless of course, we completely digress and have a losing record or something. If both coaches win 19 or 20 games next year and don't make The Dance, if I'm the AD, I really have a hard time letting either coach go. Both teams will be returning all of their talent the following season too. That next year would be do or die. That's just me though.
as a program, our goal is to get the dance. How far we advance is gravy. Sure, I would love for Stansbury to get to a Sweet 16 but make the tournament 60% of the time...everytime.
but all I am saying is that maybe it's time for RS to shake up his staff with some new assistants. I am not saying we should fire RS, just bring in a "x & o" guy. Let's set the bar higher for ourselves. No one can tell me that we can't be a year in year out contender for the SEC with the facilities we have along with a future practice facility. I understand the football argument with stadium size, etc., but I think that we can do better than "having a shot at making the tourney" in basketball. I am not bashing Stans, but I think he could do MSU better if he would do something about his staff. For Pete's sake, his assistants have interviewed for hc several hc jobs and can't make the final cut. Kirby has been turned down by several SWAC schools, even they see it.
What the hell is wrong with Western Division Championships and SEC tournament titles. Not to mention the overall championship a few years back. Alot of this presumed "lack of postseason victories" has to do with really crappy luck in the tournament seeding. drawing the 9(?) last year killed us. we deserved higher. To even suggest that we NEED to make a coaching change is ludicrous. Yes, there may be a better coach out there, but the chances of us finding that person and then convincing then to move to starkville for a very average salary are slim to none.
be happy, we have a top notch basketball program that will only get better when the next monta ellis comes along.
be happy, we have a top notch basketball program that will only get better when the next monta ellis comes along.
and the fact that our assistants are even being interviewed for head coaching jobs speaks well of the quality of the staff, even if they don't end up getting the job.