Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

[squirldawg]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

we stop selling out season tickets for basketball. It is a matter of dollars and cents at MSU and Byrne isn't going to pull the plug on the revenue that basketball is generating. If we stop selling out the hump, then a red flag will come up and Byrne will make a move. We weren't living up to our potential revenue growth in Football and Baseball. Basketball is living up to those expectations and until that changes Stansbury will be here. The question to ask is how long will the fans put up with it. It will probably be a mute point after next year as the team should be NCAA tournament bound with high expectations leading to another sell out of season tickets.

 

[squirldawg]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

we stop selling out season tickets for basketball. It is a matter of dollars and cents at MSU and Byrne isn't going to pull the plug on the revenue that basketball is generating. If we stop selling out the hump, then a red flag will come up and Byrne will make a move. We weren't living up to our potential revenue growth in Football and Baseball. Basketball is living up to those expectations and until that changes Stansbury will be here. The question to ask is how long will the fans put up with it. It will probably be a mute point after next year as the team should be NCAA tournament bound with high expectations leading to another sell out of season tickets.

 

[Coach34]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

or maybe you just missed all the excitement from hiring our two new coaches. A new coach would create revenue, not lose it.

 

[BlindDawg]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

The excitement generated by the new hires had more to do with who we replaced than who was replacing them. Sure Byrne hit home runs with both hiring, but I'd guess most of the revenue would come in as long as we hired a decent coach. If Stansbury were to be fired, many fans would be pretty upset and could potentially not re-up their season tickets. Add on the fact that there is a much bigger chance of us not hitting a home run than there was with football and baseball. Considering that we could end up making a less than stellar hiring and people would be upset about Stansbury being canned, the chances of losing revenue is pretty high I'd say.

 

[jamdawg96]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

that would generate excitement? Or better yet, who do you want coaching our team? Realistically? I'm perfectly happy with Stans right now and I'm curious as to how far you've thought this through.

 

[MSUCostanza]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

he said he would answer that question in March of 2010.

Translation: He has no idea who we could bring in that would be a clear upgrade from Stansbury. He just doesn't like Stansbury.

 

[Coach34]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

that would generate excitement? Or better yet, who do you want coaching our team? Realistically? I'm perfectly happy with Stans right now and I'm curious as to how far you've thought this through.

NCAA Tourney this year or next, or he is gone.</p>

Why keep asking me about coaches? I didnt provide a list of football coaches either, yet we managed to hire one.</p>

 

[onewoof]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

Recruit, get them there, let them play, stand back and watch the show

The role of the "coach" during the game is getting less and less.

Stans and Kirby have players choosing MSU over Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee and even Kentucky. But the expectations of this has been "coach34" are higher than the recent results in Lexington.

Yes, its still all about the coach, coach. Let's "coach them up" and win some games for the gipper and run the 4 corners.

Go watch Princeton and keep fantasizing. Basketball coaches change everything and we at MSU expect to out play Roy Williams and Coach K with our fantastic basketball history in the deep south.

Coach 'em up, coach.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

I didnt provide a list of football coaches either, yet we managed to hire one.

That hasn't proven anything to show he will win.

 

[Coach34]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

we have been to the NCAA's 8 times- 45% of the time

"But the expectations of this has been "coach34" are higher than the recent results in Lexington."

If we dont make it this year or next- thats 1 out of 5- 20% (edited for McClurian math)

You people need to quit bitching- if he makes the Tourney, he keeps his job...if he does what he is paid to do, he has nothing to worry about

 

[MSUArrowCS]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

But I do agree with C34 on that one - once out of five years is not acceptable. I don't think that should be grounds for firing, but it shouldn't be seen as "the best we can do".

 

[Frances Drebin]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

...as the resident Calipari apologist, I guess I need to step in here.

First of all, comparing Stans to Calipari is a joke. Calipari accomplished more before he was 35 than Stans has accomplished in his entire illustrious career.

Secondly, anyone who thinks Calipari isn't a good coach or his team doesn't play a structured, disciplined style of basketball is either biased or retarded.

That is all.

 

[Todd4State]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

If we dont make it this year or next- thats 1 out of 5- 25%

 

[Todd4State]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

Knowing that the fact of the matter is Stansbury has been successful overall as a HC, and if we do underachieve next year, which I certainly don't think is not out of the realm of possibility, it would be one of the very few teams that he has had that underachieved.

Would it not make more sense to fire the assistants and see if some new assistants could make a difference?

And this is different from Sherrill because it's not like we're have 10 win seasons (somewhat equivalent to 3 win seasons in football) in basketball year in and year out. Heck, odds are we are going to the NIT this year with a very slim chance at going to the big dance, and would be two years removed from a Tournament appearance.

 

[MSUCostanza]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

replacing Croom does not compare with replacing Stansbury, and you know it.

We could've replaced Croom with any of hundreds of coaches and upgraded. The same cannot be said for Stansbury. That's why people ask you for names. You feel so certain we can upgrade from Stansbury, and a lot of folks don't see who we realistically could get to come here that would be a certain upgrade. When you have won as much as Stans has won, if you replace him, you must upgrade. You can't risk a bad hire.

 

[Coach34]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

Knowing that the fact of the matter is Stansbury has been successful overall as a HC, and if we do underachieve next year, which I certainly don't think is not out of the realm of possibility, it would be one of the very few teams that he has had that underachieved.

Would it not make more sense to fire the assistants and see if some new assistants could make a difference?

And this is different from Sherrill because it's not like we're have 10 win seasons (somewhat equivalent to 3 win seasons in football) in basketball year in and year out. Heck, odds are we are going to the NIT this year with a very slim chance at going to the big dance, and would be two years removed from a Tournament appearance.

We started SEC play 6-2, how we finish wont be indicative of our start- expectations changed from preseason after that happened
Many people I know consider last season an underachievement
Butler? Xavier?

Plus, there are others factors I'm told...money spent vs actual returns aren't sitting well with many boosters

 

[MSUCostanza]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

Rick Stansbury was on the coaching staff for all 8 of those appearances, 5 as head coach.

We appeared in 1 tourney the previous 100 years. Even if we had snuck out of town the other years we might've gone, you're looking at 3-4 appearances tops in our entire history before Richard Williams (and Stansbury) came to town.

Something to consider.

 

[Coach34]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

if he makes the Tourney- he keeps his job. End of story.

If he doesn't, thats one time in 5 years. Alot of coaches can be hired to make the NCAA Tourney at least once every 5 years...alot..

Quit acting like he is John Wooden- "When you have won as much as Stans has won"

If we miss the Tourney this year, thats 3 of the last 4 years we werent one of the top 5-6 teams in the SEC, because the NCAA selects the top teams for the Tourney.

 

[Frances Drebin]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

....but I have to say that even though Stans' accomplishments are artificially inflated frequently over here, he's exactly right that the situation is nothing like the Croom situation was. Hell, I think that's why everyone is so tolerant of Stans...the product he put out wasn't nearly as bad as the football and baseball teams. Now, this may likely change if Mullen is any good, but still, you don't need to be equating the Stans situation to the Croom situation. I can come up with a list of positives Stans has brought to the program.....but not with Croom.

 

[mstateglfr]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

<span class="post-title">Stans is the Calipari of MSU</span>

Recruit, get them there, let them play, stand back and watch the show

The role of the "coach" during the game is getting less and less.

Stans and Kirby have players choosing MSU over Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee and even Kentucky. But the expectations of this has been "coach34" are higher than the recent results in Lexington.

Yes, its still all about the coach, coach. Let's "coach them up" and win some games for the gipper and run the 4 corners.

Go watch Princeton and keep fantasizing. Basketball coaches change everything and we at MSU expect to out play Roy Williams and Coach K with our fantastic basketball history in the deep south.

Coach 'em up, coach.

1- That subject line was damn funny, thanks for the chuckle.

2- Memphis runs an offense. Apparently you have avoided reading any college basketball stories over the last few years, since their Dribble Drive Motion offense has been written about ad naus.
Now i would love to hear what offense Stans and Co actually uses. At times its the "Stand 4 and Move 1" and other times its the "Jack up the 3 within 5 seconds, Regardless of Where You are on the Floor". My personal favorite is the "Give it to Randy for the Last Shot" offense...its worked so well for us.

Players choose MSU over those teams, and other players choose those teams over MSU. You apparently forgot that second point. Teams can only take so many players, both them and us.
You also forgot to mention that players are choosing MSU over William & Mary(Benock)l IUPUI, Ball State, Louisiana Monroe, Creighton, UNI(Beckham); Binghampton(Holcombe); East Carolina, MTSU(Stewart); SIU(Hansbrough); USM(Turner). Real perennial powerhouses right there. He has some players who chose MSU over solid options, and he also has a ton(all in recent years) where MSU was their best option.

 

[MSUCostanza]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

that you worship Jackie Sherrill and **** on Rick Stansbury.

Sherrill was 75-75-2 (.500). 74-76-2 on the field. He won 1 title of significance in 13 years. He went to the postseason less than half the time (6 out of 13), won 2 bowl games in 13 years, and also directed us to 4 seasons of 3-8 or worse. Oh, and got us on probation twice. What you're telling me by worshipping Sherrill is that if Dan Mullen goes .500 over his career and wins 2 bowl games in 13 years, you'll be a happy camper, right?

Stansbury is 224-124 (.644). He's won 1 league championship outright, a league tournament title and 4 division titles. Been to postseason 9 of his 11 seasons (counting this year) and 5 NCAA tournaments (out of our 9 all-time appearances). His absolute worst season at the helm, we were just 14-16, his only losing season in 11 years.

I'm not completely comparing the two sports, as I know they are inherently different. But we are at or near the bottom in SEC history in both sports in terms of win %, so there is some comparison there. Sherrill did accomplish a lot when you take into context our history. But so has Stansbury, and you refuse to admit or see that.

 

[patdog]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

I'm not completely comparing the two sports, as I know they are inherently different. But we are at or near the bottom in SEC history in both sports in terms of win %, so there is some comparison there. Sherrill did accomplish a lot when you take into context our history. But so has Stansbury, and you refuse to admit or see that.

The simple fact is, Stans has done a lot more at MSU than Jackie Sherrill ever did.

 

[dpaul798]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

i think jackie may have done more. he made us relevant in football and drove our expectations to the level they have become. stansbury has continued what richard williams started. wins and losses are easy to use as what the coaches have done and by only using that you are right- stans has done more. in the bigger picture however i believe jackie made a much larger impact on our university. fire away

 

[fishwater99]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

2- Memphis runs an offense. Apparently you have avoided reading any college basketball stories over the last few years, since their Dribble Drive Motion offense has been written about ad naus.
Now i would love to hear what offense Stans and Co actually uses. At times its the "Stand 4 and Move 1" and other times its the "Jack up the 3 within 5 seconds, Regardless of Where You are on the Floor". My personal favorite is the "Give it to Randy for the Last Shot" offense...its worked so well for us.

Players choose MSU over those teams, and other players choose those teams over MSU. You apparently forgot that second point. Teams can only take so many players, both them and us.
You also forgot to mention that players are choosing MSU over William & Mary(Benock)l IUPUI, Ball State, Louisiana Monroe, Creighton, UNI(Beckham); Binghampton(Holcombe); East Carolina, MTSU(Stewart); SIU(Hansbrough); USM(Turner). Real perennial powerhouses right there. He has some players who chose MSU over solid options, and he also has a ton(all in recent years) where MSU was their best option.

Why can't people see that Stans has no clue about installing an offense and now we have 4 guards starting and relying on 3 point shooting b/c he can't come up with an offensive plan for this team. If he does not have that "guy", like J-Money then let's just shoot 3 points and hope we make 40 %.

 

[rebelrouseri]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

I would think you could find someone off this list: </a><a href="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/16195-coaching-carousel-up-and-coming-college-basketball-coaches/page/2">http://bleacherreport.com...basketball-coaches/page/2</p>

 

[Berserker.sixpack]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

Just noticed your signature line - it's amazing how quickly some people forget that loss (and how bad Stansbury was).

 

[Dawgbreeze]

Contrary to what Coach34 thinks he knows, Stansbury is not going anywhere until...

So what is new? Do we have to go through this every 30 seconds? Gee, he is obsessed with running him off. We know that, so discuss something new.