Cooper Flagg officially to the draft

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Can't see how they don't take a step back next year. Lost Flagg, Nipple and I believe Maluach.. They lost Shelton, they didn't land Ament, and I believe Proctor is heading to the draft as well. I also believe Mason Gillis is out of eligibility. They add the Boozer twins, and Khamenia. Also seems they haven't made any adds in the transfer portal just yet.

That's an awful lot of outgoing production and not really enough coming in to replace it.
 

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Can't see how they don't take a step back next year. Lost Flagg, Nipple and I believe Maluach.. They lost Shelton, they didn't land Ament, and I believe Proctor is heading to the draft as well. I also believe Mason Gillis is out of eligibility. They add the Boozer twins, and Khamenia. Also seems they haven't made any adds in the transfer portal just yet.

That's an awful lot of outgoing production and not really enough coming in to replace it.
Does Lewis end up their?
 

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Does Lewis end up their?

Meh. He would help for sure. But also a freshman. I'm not sure what their answer is for starting PG, because they kind of struggled with PG as well last year at times.. so they probably could use him.

But that still doesn't equate to what they're losing, which seems to be about 5 guys, 3 of which are lottery picks. The boozer twins, khamenia and even adding in Lewis, doesn't overcome that.
 
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Meh. He would help for sure. But also a freshman. I'm not sure what their answer is for starting PG, because they kind of struggled with PG as well last year at times.. so they probably could use him.

But that still doesn't equate to what they're losing, which seems to be about 5 guys, 3 of which are lottery picks. The boozer twins, khamenia and even adding in Lewis, doesn't overcome that.
Forgot Caden Boozer was a PG. Technically, I think it would work, because Caden is big enough to guard the 2G. I still think both of them want the ball in their hands too much to play together.
 

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Forgot Caden Boozer was a PG. Technically, I think it would work, because Caden is big enough to guard the 2G. I still think both of them want the ball in their hands too much to play together.

And who knows how they will pan out as freshman. For Duke to have 3 freshman last year wind up being lottery picks.. that's kind of like striking gold. There were many Kentucky (and Duke) classes that high better ranked classes, but players who didn't live up to the loft expectations. We know that Boozer is not on Flagg's level, and I'd be very shocked if Khamenia and the other Boozer prove to be as valuable in year 1 as Nipple and Maluach... I'd say Duke was VERY fortunate to have last years freshman perform as well as they did
 

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Knueppel (sp?) also already declared. Looks like a UK roster with a bunch leaving and all brand-new faces for next year. It can be successful, but, imo, having 3-4 returnees and some continuity would seem to be the best mix. A couple of transfers, some HS recruits and a few core returnees would be ideal.
 
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Meh. He would help for sure. But also a freshman. I'm not sure what their answer is for starting PG, because they kind of struggled with PG as well last year at times.. so they probably could use him.

But that still doesn't equate to what they're losing, which seems to be about 5 guys, 3 of which are lottery picks. The boozer twins, khamenia and even adding in Lewis, doesn't overcome that.
Scheyer doesn't play a deep bench and Lewis isn't taking many minutes away from the lesser of the 2 Boozer Boys.
 

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And who knows how they will pan out as freshman. For Duke to have 3 freshman last year wind up being lottery picks.. that's kind of like striking gold. There were many Kentucky (and Duke) classes that high better ranked classes, but players who didn't live up to the loft expectations. We know that Boozer is not on Flagg's level, and I'd be very shocked if Khamenia and the other Boozer prove to be as valuable in year 1 as Nipple and Maluach... I'd say Duke was VERY fortunate to have last years freshman perform as well as they did
Three lottery picks and no championship. Freshmen, no matter how good, are playing against grown men.
 

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Three lottery picks and no championship. Freshmen, no matter how good, are playing against grown men.

The crazy part is, they had that game 99.9% won. Which I guess emphasizes your point that freshman are just too inexperienced to win 6-games in a row against the best of the best teams in March.. But I also believe a lot of it was on Scheyer, and the simple fact that they just flat out choked, and Houston made some big time shots. Its wild to think, but IMO, you play that game 1,000 times from the 2min mark, and Duke wins 995 times. It just so happened to be the day where Houston had one of those 5 wins out of 1000.
 

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I hate Duke as much as anyone, but people have been dismissing their chances ever since K announced he was leaving. It obviously didn't work out that way. Scheyer is a good coach, who will only improve. They will continue to get 5-star recruits and get solid portal transfers.

I would be stunned if they are even close to as good as they were this season. But they will still be good.

Now that I've paid them a compliment or two, I'm going to go wash my mouth out with soap and ask for your forgiveness.
 

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The crazy part is, they had that game 99.9% won. Which I guess emphasizes your point that freshman are just too inexperienced to win 6-games in a row against the best of the best teams in March.. But I also believe a lot of it was on Scheyer, and the simple fact that they just flat out choked, and Houston made some big time shots. Its wild to think, but IMO, you play that game 1,000 times from the 2min mark, and Duke wins 995 times. It just so happened to be the day where Houston had one of those 5 wins out of 1000.
It can't be overstated how bad Flagg performed down the stretch in close games. I recently rewatched the end of our game with them, and I only remembered the 2 turnovers he had the last 2 possessions, but he also made another one. 3 turnovers in the last 2 mins I think. And he also let Oweh get the missed FT rebound over him too. And he had similar meltdowns in other games.
 
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Goodbye, good riddance

Dont want to see ESPN's shitshows about "greatest 18 years old college player ever"

(No doubt Flagg is a very very great player)
 

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I hate Duke as much as anyone, but people have been dismissing their chances ever since K announced he was leaving. It obviously didn't work out that way. Scheyer is a good coach, who will only improve. They will continue to get 5-star recruits and get solid portal transfers.

I would be stunned if they are even close to as good as they were this season. But they will still be good.

Now that I've paid them a compliment or two, I'm going to go wash my mouth out with soap and ask for your forgiveness.
Recruits go to Duke not because of scheyer,

it is because of Duke relationship to Nike, Duke relationship to USA basketball, Duke's alum in NBA, Duke's money...

Even if scheyer is not coach of Duke, Flagg, Boozer.. would still go to Duke...

Scheyer is not good game coach, glad he is Duke's coach, so Duke will never dominate college basketball (probably will not win even one championship) with huge resource and extremely favored whistle and schedule
 
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Recruits go to Duke not because of scheyer,

it is because of Duke relationship to Nike, Duke relationship to USA basketball, Duke's alum in NBA, Duke's money...

Even if scheyer is not coach of Duke, Flagg, Boozer.. would still go to Duke...

Scheyer is not good game coach, glad he is Duke's coach, so Duke will never dominate college basketball (probably will not win even one championship) with huge resource and extremely favored whistle and schedule
They may not go because of him, but they certainly would not go if they disliked the coach or if that coach were perceived as incompetent. And Scheyer is most definitely not incompetent. Plus, he'll continue to get better.

I won't downplay/downgrade Duke just because I hate 'em.
 

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They may not go because of him, but they certainly would not go if they disliked the coach or if that coach were perceived as incompetent. And Scheyer is most definitely not incompetent. Plus, he'll continue to get better.

I won't downplay/downgrade Duke just because I hate 'em.
It is more of Scheyer benefits from Duke brand rather than Scheyer elevates Duke like many good coaches do to other schools

As long as Scheyer is "likeable" in recuits, other "factors" will help Duke recuits well.

I would rank likes of Nate Oats, Todd Golden over Scheyer every day...He is not on their level
 

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Recruits go to Duke not because of scheyer,

it is because of Duke relationship to Nike, Duke relationship to USA basketball, Duke's alum in NBA, Duke's money...

Even if scheyer is not coach of Duke, Flagg, Boozer.. would still go to Duke...

Scheyer is not good game coach, glad he is Duke's coach, so Duke will never dominate college basketball (probably will not win even one championship) with huge resource and extremely favored whistle and schedule
I dont know if that's true. They just had a five star guy decommit and follow Jai Lucas to Miami. Players care a lot more about the coach than the school.
 

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I dont know if that's true. They just had a five star guy decommit and follow Jai Lucas to Miami. Players care a lot more about the coach than the school.

Henderson will not play any minutes at Duke

For example, if he can play 25 minutes, he will still stay at Duke despite the coaching change
 

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It can't be overstated how bad Flagg performed down the stretch in close games. I recently rewatched the end of our game with them, and I only remembered the 2 turnovers he had the last 2 possessions, but he also made another one. 3 turnovers in the last 2 mins I think. And he also let Oweh get the missed FT rebound over him too. And he had similar meltdowns in other games.

I saw that too when I went back and rewatched the end of our game and the end of the Houston game. Scheyer should have learned from the UK game (and a few others) that Flagg struggled under pressure. I think setting Flagg up for a shot rather than letting him create his own shot would have been a better strategy.
 

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As expected.

I can’t believe there’s folks out there who thought he was coming back.
Yeah, I'm sure a small part of him wanted to come back and potentially win a title at Duke, so soon after a loss he's running his mouth about it. But then you have to stop and think- "I'm likely the #1 pick in the NBA draft and I'm gonna be making millions from day one!" So, that's when reality sets in and the wishful thinking goes out the window. Duke fans wanted to believe, of course, just like I wanted to believe it about maybe 20+ players over the last 15 years, but rarely do my wants come to fruition. Call me cynical. I knew he was gone. And to be honest, who could really blame him for taking the leap? There are times when it's totally obvious this is the right choice. This is one of those times. I could name several others where it wasn't the right choice. They didn't listen to me, though. :D
 
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Can't see how they don't take a step back next year. Lost Flagg, Nipple and I believe Maluach.. They lost Shelton, they didn't land Ament, and I believe Proctor is heading to the draft as well. I also believe Mason Gillis is out of eligibility. They add the Boozer twins, and Khamenia. Also seems they haven't made any adds in the transfer portal just yet.

That's an awful lot of outgoing production and not really enough coming in to replace it.
What about Sion James as well he’s done. Looks like they could return Foster, Evans, Brown, Proctor( maybe), Harris, and Ngbonga.
 

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What about Sion James as well he’s done. Looks like they could return Foster, Evans, Brown, Proctor( maybe), Harris, and Ngbonga.

Is he? I thought he was coming back. But I honestly am never sure with the whole 5th year of eligibility, grad transfer, etc, etc.
 

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Over/under on how many times ESPN says Cooper Flag playing in NBA is only 18 years old. ?
 

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No one is turning down being the #1 pick to return to college. Just one more year closer to getting that 2nd contract than stalling for another year.