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Cleisthenes said:
Smoking is a personal choice. I should be allowed to smoke everywhere. I should be a smoke machine pumping out all the black lung cancer causing billowing smoke I can blow. Just to make my point I rolled up all the windows in my car, took my seatbelts off, and drove 1200 miles with my family in the car just to test my theory. They look OK so all this "smoking causes cancer" stuff is another lib hoax just to try to control us and make me watch HGTV.
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Nbacats said:
Natural immunity doesn’t work 💯

And they are a vaccine. Vaccine ≠ immunization. Just because lay people use the terms interchangeably doesn't mean they are the same thing. Immunizations provide immunity, vaccinations provide protection. Always has been that way.
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Nbacats said:
Same. I wasn’t anti flu vaccine, just was lazy about it and not getting it. Then I got the flu one year and **** that **** I’m getting the vaccine every year. I got it bad. Out if work for like 2 weeks, had to go to the ER one night.
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After 33 pages you all finally convinced me. Vaccination HERE I COME!!!!
 
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I think it's quaint when the left defends electing the most dim-witted President since Andrew Johnson and then makes fun of MAGA etc.

Partisans just truly do not get it. LOL

I wish the zealots from both sides would just take a break, and let the adults run things for a while.
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Trump takes that crown with the whole injecting disinfectant to treat COVID thing. What a ******* dumbass.
 
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Nbacats said:
Hospital beds and ICU beds aren’t the same thing.
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Met a nurse from northern Cali last month. They aren't using a lot of ICU beds from staffing issues. Btw, ground zero of covid in the US I'm NY never overran a hospital. Cross those fingers, though. May get lucking with the new, scarier variant.
 
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Nbacats said:
Hospital beds and ICU beds aren’t the same thing.
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82,000 ICU beds, 65k in use, 13k used for COVID. Still not taking anyone’s beds but nice try. Listen to Andy, CNN or any other propaganda distributor and you think every single bed is taken and the vast majority of them are by COVID patients. These percentages weren’t much different even during delta and at he height of COVID In 2020. Don’t believe everything you hear. Do some research and form your own opinion.
 
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HymanKaplan said:
Stain on me for the typo.

While it doesn't invalidate my opinion, it makes the fall off of my high horse a little more painful. LOL
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while we’re here , brother

let’s talk “Stairway...”

SURE it’s an overplayed song - and i know some of the imagery has lost its aura and settled into silver -n- turquoise 70s goofiness....

but it’s really was a heck of a creation from the standpoint of writing, recording and production -

i just hate how musicians work and output sometimes become victims of their own success

and i also think “Stairway “ still has an underlying creepy aspect that’s uniquely cool


but you called it a TURD
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LOL - I don't know what to say. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me. Always has been. I freely admit I'm in a very small minority, which is a position I've found myself in a LOT over the years.

Speaking of, I'm starting to think that my off-brand sense of humor and story-telling is wearing thin in GYERO. It's been a common refrain that I should clam up.
 
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sambowieshin said:
I care because I believe in science and live in reality unlike the Trumpanzees swinging in the trees screaming at the clouds.

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Interesting. The hospital HHS.gov website has the following stats for Louisiana:

Inpatient
12,885 Total Inpatient beds
9,016 Beds in use
192 beds in use for COVID

ICU
1,466 Staffed ICU beds
1,114 Beds in use
70 ICU beds in use for COVID

Updated as of 12/6/21

Again, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

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Hospital Utilization

This page displays visualizations on the utilization and capacity status of hospitals in the United States.
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sambowieshin said:
I care because I believe in science and live in reality unlike the Trumpanzees swinging in the trees screaming at the clouds.

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False, you live in a false world that has been constructed to undermine this country in favor of a more dictatorial government and you are just stupid enough to believe they have your best interest at heart. But, living in your parents basement or safe room has kept you in the dark and I can't blame you for being ignorant or corrupt.
 
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8titles said:
Interesting. The hospital HHS.gov website has the following stats for Louisiana:

Inpatient
12,885 Total Inpatient beds
9,016 Beds in use
192 beds in use for COVID

ICU
1,466 Staffed ICU beds
1,114 Beds in use
70 ICU beds in use for COVID

Updated as of 12/6/21

Again, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

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Hospital Utilization

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Bingo.
 
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You can't just look at total number of beds and make a decision about capacity and staffing for a disease like covid. You can't pass along a heart attack or a stroke to other patients around you. Because this is communicable, there are specific protocols that go into effect. So, for example, every Covid patient has to go into a negative pressure room to reduce the chance of spread. Not every room in the ICU is set up for that, and the HHS data does not allow you to sort by number of negative pressure rooms available.

The next problem is that not all ICU staff have the specialization needed to deal with Covid. HHS data doesn't tell you how many respiratory therapists are on staff at each of these hospitals. They may not have any, which means that those ICU beds are useless because they don't have anyone on staff who can handle the problem.

Then you start getting into ventilators, and the number of staff who are trained on how to manage those devices. The other problem with Covid is how it reacts in the body. It starts impacting multiple organs, and it is that multi-organ failure that eventually leads to death. Covid patients take much more staffing to deal than many other patients in the ICU as a result of this. Just because an ICU bed is available doesn't mean that a hospital isn't at capacity. They simply may not have the staffing, or a safe environment to put a new patient.
 
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sambowieshin said:
I care because I believe in science and live in reality unlike the Trumpanzees swinging in the trees screaming at the clouds.

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No you don't; you don't actuallycare about anyone but yourself, like all leftists.

The average person should get vaccinated because the average person isn't in great shape to begin with. Someone fit, healthy and young however, should be allowed to make their own decision baseed on whatever reason they deem valid.

Your health is not their responsibility.
 
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SDC8888 said:
No you don't; you don't actuallycare about anyone but yourself, like all leftists.

The average person should get vaccinated because the average person isn't in great shape to begin with. Someone fit, healthy and young however, should be allowed to make their own decision baseed on whatever reason they deem valid.

Your health is not their responsibility.
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Me....me....me....mentality. Typical of the Red Hat Society. Don't give a crap about anyone but themselves.
I vaccinate so I don't get deathly ill and clog up the medical system making it more difficult for the car crash victims, stroke victims, heart attack victims, the elderly or immunocompromised to receive the proper care they need in a hospital.
I vaccinate so that a nurse is not having to hook me up to a ventilator while a stroke victim down the hall needs a diaper change or a cancer patient needs pain meds.
But of course this won't register with you because you don't have a clue that younger, healthy people are getting Covid, you're a frightened child around needles that give you boo boos, and you also couldn't care less about anyone else including your own grandparents.
I am a patriot that loves his country and fellow Americans. That's why I vax.
 
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warrior-cat said:
False, you live in a false world that has been constructed to undermine this country in favor of a more dictatorial government and you are just stupid enough to believe they have your best interest at heart. But, living in your parents basement or safe room has kept you in the dark and I can't blame you for being ignorant or corrupt.
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Haven't lived with my parents since I left for college at age 18. That was 39 years ago.
Show me some facts from a source other than YouTube, My Pillow guy or Joe Rogan that says unvaxxed Covid patients aren't making up over 80 percent of Covid patients in the ICU and are not negatively impacting quality of care for others needing care.
It's just common sense that the Red Hat Society is completely missing for some reason.
 
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Cruise required proof of vax and negative test before boarding but already 17 positives. But yes....keep pushing those mandates that keep legally getting struck down and also don't work at all vs infection.

Like many said for at least a year, stop wringing hands over cases and focus on serious cases. Of course that would mean the government gets their tyranny toys taken away so it won't happen
 
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sambowieshin said:
Me....me....me....mentality. Typical of the Red Hat Society. Don't give a crap about anyone but themselves.
I vaccinate so I don't get deathly ill and clog up the medical system making it more difficult for the car crash victims, stroke victims, heart attack victims, the elderly or immunocompromised to receive the proper care they need in a hospital.
I vaccinate so that a nurse is not having to hook me up to a ventilator while a stroke victim down the hall needs a diaper change or a cancer patient needs pain meds.
But of course this won't register with you because you don't have a clue that younger, healthy people are getting Covid, you're a frightened child around needles that give you boo boos, and you also couldn't care less about anyone else including your own grandparents.
I am a patriot that loves his country and fellow Americans. That's why I vax.
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Yeah, right
 
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Perrin75 said:
You can't just look at total number of beds and make a decision about capacity and staffing for a disease like covid. You can't pass along a heart attack or a stroke to other patients around you. Because this is communicable, there are specific protocols that go into effect. So, for example, every Covid patient has to go into a negative pressure room to reduce the chance of spread. Not every room in the ICU is set up for that, and the HHS data does not allow you to sort by number of negative pressure rooms available.

The next problem is that not all ICU staff have the specialization needed to deal with Covid. HHS data doesn't tell you how many respiratory therapists are on staff at each of these hospitals. They may not have any, which means that those ICU beds are useless because they don't have anyone on staff who can handle the problem.

Then you start getting into ventilators, and the number of staff who are trained on how to manage those devices. The other problem with Covid is how it reacts in the body. It starts impacting multiple organs, and it is that multi-organ failure that eventually leads to death. Covid patients take much more staffing to deal than many other patients in the ICU as a result of this. Just because an ICU bed is available doesn't mean that a hospital isn't at capacity. They simply may not have the staffing, or a safe environment to put a new patient.
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I understand your point, but I can't imagine that 192 patients out of 12K+ inpatient beds or 70 patients out of 1,466 available beds for ICU patients in the state of Louisiana is taxing their hospital resource in and of itself. It will get down to the hospital by hospital counts so if you fee like looking hard enough feel free to try to find a specific hospital where they are >90% and let me know. Then we can look at that hospital. If not, then I think it's safe to assume COVID isn't taxing the hospitals enough to warrant an article that blows it out of proportion like the one Sam's shin linked.
 
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sambowieshin said:
Haven't lived with my parents since I left for college at age 18. That was 39 years ago.
Show me some facts from a source other than YouTube, My Pillow guy or Joe Rogan that says unvaxxed Covid patients aren't making up over 80 percent of Covid patients in the ICU and are not negatively impacting quality of care for others needing care.
It's just common sense that the Red Hat Society is completely missing for some reason.
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False. Facts were already presented you just ignored them. You cited sources with your mindset that were debunked yet you refuse to acknowledge.
 
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warrior-cat said:
False. Facts were already presented you just ignored them. You cited sources with your mindset that were debunked yet you refuse to acknowledge.
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Facts that came from Health and Human Services, not YT, Rogan, etc.. Pathetic attempt to ignore it and then move on like he still knows what he is talking about.
 
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sambowieshin said:
Not sure what in the name of Joe Rogan those sources were that wouldn't even load on my phone but here are the numbers straight from the Louisiana state Dept of Health website.....
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They were from Health and Human Services which was linked in the post. And what do you think your numbers reflect? What you show actually looks like a comprehensive view which show's fewer patients, not more.

As for their "83% are unvaxed". Those numbers are from 11/18-11./24. Would love to see the week to week numbers given the overall numbers are so low it would only take a small number of people that are unvaxxed to sway those numbers. Regardless, those 83% also likely have multiple comorbidities, and have been at risk. If you paid any attention to any post I have made, and likely others have echoed, you will hear that most everyone AGREES that certain people should take the risk and get the vaccine, because even if they have side effects it will likely reduce their risk. My point is that I had COVID and it was less severe than some sinus infections I have had. Why should I be REQUIRED to get it when it's proven I can get through it with relative ease.
 
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8titles said:
Interesting. The hospital HHS.gov website has the following stats for Louisiana:

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Again, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

protect-public.hhs.gov

Hospital Utilization

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protect-public.hhs.gov
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But, I read this on the internet?
 
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8titles said:
They were from Health and Human Services which was linked in the post. And what do you think your numbers reflect? What you show actually looks like a comprehensive view which show's fewer patients, not more.

As for their "83% are unvaxed". Those numbers are from 11/18-11./24. Would love to see the week to week numbers given the overall numbers are so low it would only take a small number of people that are unvaxxed to sway those numbers. Regardless, those 83% also likely have multiple comorbidities, and have been at risk. If you paid any attention to any post I have made, and likely others have echoed, you will hear that most everyone AGREES that certain people should take the risk and get the vaccine, because even if they have side effects it will likely reduce their risk. My point is that I had COVID and it was less severe than some sinus infections I have had. Why should I be REQUIRED to get it when it's proven I can get through it with relative ease.
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Ok....on this we can probably agree. I'm not a big fan of government mandated vaccines either. I do think that if you are a healthcare worker or first responder who may be giving mouth to mouth resuscitation it's ok to require the vax. Schools require vaxxes but they have never required a flu vax and I do see the argument that this is a new vaccine so public schools probably shouldn't. Private should have the right if they choose to.
I also think a private business should be able to require or not require Covid related measures. The government should not be mandating or restricting the private sector imo.
I hate government mandated vax/mask laws that impact the private sector....that said, the stupid right wing state laws that prohibit the local government right to make mask laws are just as bad the stupid lib laws that require it. Let the locals decide for themselves.
 
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