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justa

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Same, fell out of a mid 70's Monte Carlo. Was riding on the drivers door armrest "helping" dad drive. Apparently my foot got caught on the handle and opened the door. Went tumbling out in the street. I rode in the rear window dash looking up at the night sky all the time in that thing.
 

MegaBlue05

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Please don't mock religious views. Either one believes in the Bible or they don't, but like many things in the Bible, this passage is open to some interpretation. That said, I do not believe this is the mark of the beast. So, don't worry, you won't grow horns.

My post above was the plot to an episode of Squidbillies where the son sells his soul to Satan for the ability to shred his axe.



And frankly, the poster’s ridiculous claim deserves to be mocked. I’m not a religious person. I never bought in. If that’s what you turn to for spiritual guidance and fulfillment, I applaud that. But, when people use THEIR religion to critique MY choices, it irks me.
 

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My post above was the plot to an episode of Squidbillies where the son sells his soul to Satan for the ability to shred his axe.



And frankly, the poster’s ridiculous claim deserves to be mocked. I’m not a religious person. I never bought in. If that’s what you turn to for spiritual guidance and fulfillment, I applaud that. But, when people use THEIR religion to critique MY choices, it irks me.

Understood but I don't think he was critiquing your choice but rather explaining his.
 

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Please don't mock religious views. Either one believes in the Bible or they don't, but like many things in the Bible, this passage is open to some interpretation. That said, I do not believe this is the mark of the beast. So, don't worry, you won't grow horns.

Normally I'm a live and let live atheist, but when "christians" start saying getting a vaccine is the mark of the beat they deserve to be mocked. That's not a religious view that's just making up stuff and saying it comes from a book.

That's part of a bigger problem in this country in that maybe people would be smarter if we openly mocked the idiots.
 

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Normally I'm a live and let live atheist, but when "christians" start saying getting a vaccine is the mark of the beat they deserve to be mocked. That's not a religious view that's just making up stuff and saying it comes from a book.

That's part of a bigger problem in this country in that maybe people would be smarter if we openly mocked the idiots.
We were just told that an elected president was too mean because he mocked idiots
 

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If the vaxxed still get it and still pass it, what’s the point of requiring it?

If a child is required to wear seat belts but not in school busses what's the point


Covid 19 survival rates

0-20 years old. 99.997%
20-49years old. 99.98%
50-69 years old. 99.95%
70+ years old. 94.6%



Not to mention when you do get it your immune system will defeat it and you will develop antibodies for a natural immunity.

Your going to be taking vaccines for the rest of your short life every few months and be super spreaders giving it to everyone else.



Im def not taking this mark of the beast nor should any Christian on the team or anywhere else
JFC
 

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I literally fell out of our beat up station wagon while my mom was driving when I was a kid. I remember sitting in the middle of the street watching her drive away lol. I don't think she realized it because my brother and sister were fighting. I think I was lik 5 or 6.

LOL!!! I have a similar story but never fell out. We had an old white Oldsmobile wagon one time. We were on our way to the KMart off Outer Loop in Louisville and Mom was side swiped. The door flew open and I was hanging on to the door handle. No seatbelt. Who the hell wore them then? Wow man. Your story brought back a memory. Thanks for that!
Had a nephew who fell out of a car. And my youngest son held on like BC_Wader for dear life when the door of our car flew open making a turn at a busy intersection. Both happened in Gatlinburg...but at different times.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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Normally I'm a live and let live atheist, but when "christians" start saying getting a vaccine is the mark of the beat they deserve to be mocked. That's not a religious view that's just making up stuff and saying it comes from a book.

That's part of a bigger problem in this country in that maybe people would be smarter if we openly mocked the idiots.
Unfortunately there are many pastors teaching this for some reason. Mocking still isn't necessary.
 

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Well brother, as one Christian to another, I simply don't understand your statement. There is no Biblical support for this vaccine being the mark of the beast. This reminds me of an old joke and, no, I'm not making fun of you with this. I just think it fits.

A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe.

"Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast."

"No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me."

Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat.

"Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute."

Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through."

After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone.

"Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance."

Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him.

And, predictably, he drowns.

A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?"


God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."

I’m not a religious person by any means but I laughed at this one, even though I saw the punch line coming.
 
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Well....as a minister I have to say that selecting what the mark of the beast really is can be a long discussion with no great answer today.

Everyone makes their own choices. The rant three weeks ago was if you arent vaccinated you are endangering me. Sadly, that was never the case. A bacteria/virus can "hitch a ride" for a time even on a vaccinated person, and there is a small number of breakout cases. In my home county, that number has been disturbingly large...well over 10%.
In a religous sense, God created us with minds and a free will. I think we should use those to everyones benefit possible, while recognize there are some (my wife) that for medical reasons cannot be vaccinated, and allow them the same respect as those that choose vaccination.
 
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I read those numbers are from January - April


May have been true then, but it is still true now.

Hospitals are starting to track this closely.

Hopsitals are basically 90% unvaccinated right now and 10 unvaccinated. ICU's are an even large disparity between vaccinated an unvaccinated.

Here's the data in alabama as of today.


In Florida, according to this article it's about 92% unvaccinated and 8% vaccinated as of today.


But that doesn't tell the entire story. Alabama has a pretty poor vaccination rate. the real issue is, are hospitals overcrowded? Doesn't matter if people are vaccinated or not. in the more vaccinated areas you will undoubtedly see a larger % of hospitalizations among the vaccinated because they make up a larger % of the population but the overall hospitalized #'s will be lower and the strain on the healthcare system will be lower because a larger % of their population is protected and highly unlikely to get sick enough from covid to go to the hospital.

Also. Israel's early results from their booster campaign on those older and more vulnerable people who were first vaccinated back in December and January are god.

They're also already seeing positive results with their booster campaign to older and at-risk people.

 
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May have been true then, but it is still true now.

Hospitals are starting to track this closely.

Hopsitals are basically 90% unvaccinated right now and 10 unvaccinated. ICU's are an even large disparity between vaccinated an unvaccinated.

Here's the data in alabama as of today.


In Florida, according to this article it's about 92% unvaccinated and 8% vaccinated as of today.


But that doesn't tell the entire story. Alabama has a pretty poor vaccination rate. the real issue is, are hospitals overcrowded? Doesn't matter if people are vaccinated or not. in the more vaccinated areas you will undoubtedly see a larger % of hospitalizations among the vaccinated because they make up a larger % of the population but the overall hospitalized #'s will be lower and the strain on the healthcare system will be lower because a larger % of their population is protected and highly unlikely to get sick enough from covid to go to the hospital.

Also. Israel's early results from their booster campaign on those older and more vulnerable people who were first vaccinated back in December and January are god.

They're also already seeing positive results with their booster campaign to older and at-risk people.

Thanks for the links. What they do not mention is how many of those in the hospitals in question were previously infected (actual confirmed infected, not "I think I had it before last March" cases). My guess is that is that the number begins with the letter Z and I don't refer to the word "zillion".
 
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Thanks for the links. What they do not mention is how many of those in the hospitals in question were previously infected (actual confirmed infected, not "I think I had it before last March" cases). My guess is that is that the number begins with the letter Z and I don't refer to the word "zillion".

Who knows. I'm curious, why does it matter? Although Lamar Jackson mentioned a couple of weeks ago that his second infection was worse than his first one.
 

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Who knows. I'm curious, why does it matter? Although Lamar Jackson mentioned a couple of weeks ago that his second infection was worse than his first one.
It matters for several reasons. First, the public has a right to be informed of all relevant factors regarding this issue. Also, although some people will not agree with me on this, I think it's safe to say that, for the vast majority of people, even younger and healthier people, the vaccine is far less risky than the virus- but if your chances of catching the virus a second time are 1% of that (or less) of catching it the first time, then perhaps the vaccine is NOT less risky at that point, and people have a right weigh their risk factors without being lied to. Finally, while I can't stand vaccine mandates (though concede that private businesses probably should be to impose them as they see fit), if we must have them, I'd like to know why the Hell someone who is at less risk than someone fully vaccinated (and, I refer to those with a prior infection) must still be subject to them. In Europe, they seem to get this concept, even when there are mandates. Why not here?
 
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DISCLAIMER: I'm not anti-vaccine!!

With that said: (snip)

#2 There are issues in REAL SCIENCE no matter how much is said to the contrary that might give someone at least the pause & right to think & choose for themselves. A recent peer-reviewed study published August 9 in the Journal of Infection:
LINK:

Highlights​


  • Infection-enhancing antibodies have been detected in symptomatic Covid-19.

  • Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) is a potential concern for vaccines.

  • Enhancing antibodies recognize both the Wuhan strain and delta variants.

  • ADE of delta variants is a potential risk for current vaccines.

  • Vaccine formulations lacking ADE epitope are suggested.


Conclusion...new vaccine development is needed ASAP.

Like the poster said you responded to, if vaccinated people get & transmit COVID...its not in the public interest that one is vaccinated. However, it's CERTAINLY in the personal interest one get vaccinated.

I'd read the abstract of the study you mention above, and it certainly is interesting, but remains a *potential* concern. Arguably, the good the vaccines have done/are doing outweigh that at this point in time.

However, I'm going to have to disagree strongly with your contention that it's only in the personal interest and not the public interest to get vaccinated. If you're vaccinated, you're far, far less likely to clog up the ICU and health care system, which leads to all kinds of ancillary problems for the rest of public when they have medically necessary procedures/care postponed because, sorry, the system is overwhelmed with Covidiots.
 
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Welp.

My wife and I were exposed at a small cookout Saturday (7 adults, 4 kids) to someone who tested positive for Covid on Monday (friend’s kid). I’m fully vaccinated.

I feel really tired and and have had some muscle aches and chills at night since Sunday night. Currently sitting at a clinic waiting to get tested for work/time off purposes. Wait time is 5 hours.

All adults at the cookout were fully vaccinated except one woman who is a “FaItH oVeR fEaR” person who doesn’t believe in masks or vaccines, Covid’s a hoax, stolen election, etc.

All the vaccinated adults who were at this cookout feel like me - somewhat ****** but nothing serious. One breakthrough positive test and 4 negatives so far including my wife (I hope I make it 5). Apparently the unvaccinated person was admitted to the hospital this morning with a positive test and severe symptoms including shortness of breath and loss of taste (no loss of smell).

I’m pretty sure I made the right decision to get my shots. I also understand vaccines are to curtail symptoms in the event of exposure, not a magic forcefield that prevents me from contracting the disease.

Will update once I get my results.
Sounds like this one woman is getting a firsthand lesson in karma
 
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Sounds like this one woman is getting a firsthand lesson in karma

It’s very sad. I’ve known this woman a long time. This gal is as sweet as can be and is generally a kind person and a damn good cook. She’s also lived a hard life, made some poor life decisions due to lack of education, and is a newly single parent who endured many years of domestic abuse from her POS ex.

She also believes some really dumb **** because she gets all of her info from Facebook memes it seems.
 

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If a child is required to wear seat belts but not in school busses what's the point


Covid 19 survival rates

0-20 years old. 99.997%
20-49years old. 99.98%
50-69 years old. 99.95%
70+ years old. 94.6%



Not to mention when you do get it your immune system will defeat it and you will develop antibodies for a natural immunity.

Your going to be taking vaccines for the rest of your short life every few months and be super spreaders giving it to everyone else.



Im def not taking this mark of the beast nor should any Christian on the team or anywhere else

We've got a live one boys and girls
 

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I literally fell out of our beat up station wagon while my mom was driving when I was a kid. I remember sitting in the middle of the street watching her drive away lol. I don't think she realized it because my brother and sister were fighting. I think I was lik 5 or 6.

I can still recall being roughly 5 years old and riding in the back of my mom's first car which was used, beat up old blue 4 door hatchback...seatbelted in but the floor board had a hole in it I could have easily fit through. Explains a lot in retrospect.
 

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I think it's funny how people make anti-vaccine arguments but preface it with something like "I am vaccinated myself". Then, others make pro-vaccine arguments but feel the need to say something like "I believe everybody has a right to choose."

So, I at least appreciate the directness of the "mark of the beast" poster above. I myself, however, believe that anyone (at least any adult) who does not get the vaccine (and who is not medically prevented from doing so) is an absolute imbecile.
 

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Well....as a minister I have to say that selecting what the mark of the beast really is can be a long discussion with no great answer today.

Everyone makes their own choices. The rant three weeks ago was if you arent vaccinated you are endangering me. Sadly, that was never the case. A bacteria/virus can "hitch a ride" for a time even on a vaccinated person, and there is a small number of breakout cases. In my home county, that number has been disturbingly large...well over 10%.
In a religous sense, God created us with minds and a free will. I think we should use those to everyones benefit possible, while recognize there are some (my wife) that for medical reasons cannot be vaccinated, and allow them the same respect as those that choose vaccination.
I think measles vaccine was the mark.
 
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Please link the quotes from anyone saying we need another shot to stay alive. Thanks in advance.


It's just a booster.

It's just like the flu vaccine.

It's just once /year eight months six months 90days before bed.

You will be on this therapy/treatment/Theraflu for the rest of your new normal.


I'm grabbing the popcorn when the third shot crowd turns on the double vaxxed crowd. Y'know, you better get your covid 3.0 update to get back to normal.
 
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It's just a booster.

It's just like the flu vaccine.

It's just once /year eight months six months 90days before bed.

You will be on this therapy/treatment/Theraflu for the rest of your new normal.


I'm grabbing the popcorn when the third shot crowd turns on the double vaxxed crowd. Y'know, you better get your covid 3.0 update to get back to normal.

So, you just made up that previous statement about people telling us to get a third shot in order to stay alive. Got it!
 

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Alright. Tell the truth boys. Which ones of you believe the earth is flat. Come on now, own that ****.
A failure to believe that Miss Rona is the Black Plague hardly equates to a belief that the earth is flat. As a matter of fact, I find that the Branch Covidians make the most unenlightened snake handlers look like Galileo by way of comparison.
 
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I think it's funny how people make anti-vaccine arguments but preface it with something like "I am vaccinated myself". Then, others make pro-vaccine arguments but feel the need to say something like "I believe everybody has a right to choose."

So, I at least appreciate the directness of the "mark of the beast" poster above. I myself, however, believe that anyone (at least any adult) who does not get the vaccine (and who is not medically prevented from doing so) is an absolute imbecile.
You even think that someone with a prior infection, and who opts not to take the vaccine is "an absolute imbecile"? That's not science- that's "Science!". Facebook "Science!" from Karen.
 
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Vaccination status has become the epitome of virtue signaling for a lot of people on both sides of the vaccine debate. It’s not surprising though, given the state of social media and mainstream media. People like to feel good about themselves and downwardly compare themselves to others in society. Variants will continue regardless of vaccination status. Even if 100% of the US was vaccinated against a particular strain, the virus will still exist and mutate somewhere else in the world and be brought back as a new variant. You would never get 100% world vaccination against a current strain before a new one develops. We need to get away from group think. Each person is responsible for their own health. Everyone should take stock of their health, their personal risk, research, speak to a trusted healthcare professional, and then make a decision they feel comfortable with and move on.
 

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I'd read the abstract of the study you mention above, and it certainly is interesting, but remains a *potential* concern. Arguably, the good the vaccines have done/are doing outweigh that at this point in time.

However, I'm going to have to disagree strongly with your contention that it's only in the personal interest and not the public interest to get vaccinated. If you're vaccinated, you're far, far less likely to clog up the ICU and health care system, which leads to all kinds of ancillary problems for the rest of public when they have medically necessary procedures/care postponed because, sorry, the system is overwhelmed with Covidiots.
-fat people, smokers and heavy drinkers are a far greater strain on the medical system than antivaxxers. I think we should do something about them as well.
 

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-fat people, smokers and heavy drinkers are a far greater strain on the medical system than antivaxxers. I think we should do something about them as well.
I was hoping that this covid stuff would make people sit up and think about their lifestyles. Everyone knows they need to take better care of themselves but very few have the self discipline to do it. I love America and we are lucky as hell to live here but damn we have a lot of slobs.

it’s 2021 and people still smoke. If you’re a smoker you are a garbage person with zero self discipline and no regard for your family that love you.
 
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-thankfully smoking is declining In the usa. Obesity is the real drag at this point...and I'm not talking about folks with an extra 10-25 lbs, there is a staggering amount of really fat people now, it's sad...and it's generational.
 
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